synthetic THC

[genaro]

Anyone with experience of smoked/oral synthetic THC ?
How is it like?
How much oral/smoked THC to reach a truly hallucinogenic state ?
Any "kitchen chemistry" way to make pure THC (non synthetic) from cannabis oil ?

 

[Blowmonkey]

THC will be THC no matter if it's synthesized by you or a plant.. See for yourself how much you need, just start with very little. Here's the procedure, it's called isomerization; http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/THC/isomer1.html

 

[digital_phreedom]

there are lots of threads on this...

use the search engine...

although you're obviously lazy, so.. ---->> click me <<----

 

[Vice]

synthetic THC isn't an enjoyable experience compared to marijuana, because marijuana's effects are caused by hundreds of different cannabinoids. I've used marinol before and it's a little too "edgy" for me.

 

[Blowmonkey]

marijuana's effects are caused by hundreds of different cannabinoids.

Hundreds..? More like ~10. And it might be a bit "too edgy" for you, others may like it.

 

[chiball66]

Hundreds..? More like ~10. And it might be a bit "too edgy" for you, others may like it.

haha, pwnt.

anyway, i was thinking that i wanted to try synth. thc. my neighbor was telling me about an experience she had when she was a teen. she said that she did a "bump of thc" and had a crazy experience.

 

[Limpet Chicken]

Also, there are several different synthetic THC analogues, one of them, THC-V is nearly as potent, weight for weight, as LSD and has a very long half life.

Always have wanted to try that one, but it involves a grignard reagent, which aren't exactly my favourite of things

To extract pure THC from isomerised honey oil, I think chromatography would be your best bet.

 

[Sprinklervibes]

THC will be THC no matter if it's synthesized by you or a plant.. See for yourself how much you need, just start with very little. Here's the procedure, it's called isomerization; http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/THC/isomer1.html

"here's the procedure"?? all that procedure does is changing cbd back to thc, which with today strains has absolutely no use at all. Cbd is a product that comes from degrading thc due to heat, so only black hashes or black hash oil would become more potent with this, and then still people buy black hash because they want the stone, the couchlock, not the uppity high from thc like blonde hashes.
Not worth it to contaminate your oil with all that filth which you'll never remove a 100%

 

[nenarOPI]

I was pretty sure that Indica-dominant strains, with their typical couch-lock, sedated body high, have a much higher CBD:delta9THC ratio than Sativa dominant strains. Or am i wrong?

 

[Blowmonkey]

Yes, Indica (dominant) strains have a higher CBD content.

And Sprinklervibes, where have you read that it changes only the CBD back to THC? I quote: "Evaporate the ether and what remains is hash oil in which all of the cannabinoids have been converted into THC.." Hash oil isn't pure THC, it consists of ALL of the cannabinoids. Black hash oil contains other plant matters like chlorophyl..

 

[Sprinklervibes]

http://overgrow.com/edge/showthread.php?t=556366

Also do a thread on overgrow for isomerization, this technique was commercialized with a few products like the ISO-machine (in the 60's-80's something)which could extract bud+reflux the vapors, in the manual it said that the chemical process of isomerization would only be good on oil from for example mexican ditch weed or from strains high in cbd which nowadays are rare ('cept for medical reasons).

If it were so easy to turn thc into a more potent form, don't you think it would be all over?

it even says so on the page you linked to...

per Cannabis Alchemy,

Cannabidiol
|
| Heat and
| H+ (from the acid)
|
\ /

Delta-9 THC (using formal numbering)
Delta-1 THC (using monoterpenoid numbering)
|
| Heat and
| H+ (from a stronger acid acting longer)
|
\ /

Delta-6 THC (aka Delta-8 THC -- depends on the numbering system used)

(cannabidiol = cbd)

this is an oldskool technique...


edit/ hash can be black for several reasons. oxidation or heat applied, or particles...

 

[Blowmonkey]

LOL. I haven't read further as the 1st subject. You're right.

 

[nenarOPI]

Dying off of Indica-dominant strains?

When and where is this happening? I live 20 minutes or so from Philadelphia in a suburb and we get plenty of Indica bud. I guess it's indica-dominant anyway, it has the classic effects of Indica strains and high CBD content. Lethargy, munchies, coach lock, a real stoned effect, slower cognitive abilities (kinda).

It's all my dad gets..weird.

Are delta9THC and CBD content mutually exclusive? I think I read that they were. That is, can there be a plant breed with high delta9THC AND high CBD content? Or at least, if not high levels, equal levels.

 

[Horger]

Re: Dying off of Indica-dominant strains?

When and where is this happening? I live 20 minutes or so from Philadelphia in a suburb and we get plenty of Indica bud. I guess it's indica-dominant anyway, it has the classic effects of Indica strains and high CBD content. Lethargy, munchies, coach lock, a real stoned effect, slower cognitive abilities (kinda).

It's all my dad gets..weird.

Are delta9THC and CBD content mutually exclusive? I think I read that they were. That is, can there be a plant breed with high delta9THC AND high CBD content? Or at least, if not high levels, equal levels.

I think we actually get alot of Sativa around here.. especially with nugs. The mids are usually indica, although we have gotten mids that have a very goofy sativa high.

It depends really. People sell alot of different buds.

 

[BilZ0r]

Delta-8 = yucky.

Anyway, in answer to your questions:
1) Lots of people, marinol
2)Most people don't find it half as fun as cannabis
3) Depends on how you define "truely hallucinogenic", I've only ever seen fractals from eating cannabis, that dose was too high, and it was largely unpleasant.
4) No.

 

[nenarOPI]

chiball66

That person who talked about railing THC was probably talking about PCP in actuality. Synthetic THC is never found on the streets, but back in the 70s and 80s I believe that a slang term for PCP was "THC" or "synthetic THC" or "Tick."

 

[austior]

THC is not gonna be easy to synthesize, though I believe I heard shulgin say it could be done in a few steps with chemicals found naturally occuring in lichens. If you want the purest form of thc you can get, make hash oil. If this is not pure enough, you're going to have to go with chromatography or, as I have stated in numerous previous threads, fractional distillation. The latter is the only one within the means of "kitchen chemistry", and this is barely so!

 

[fastandbulbous]

For THC synth (it's not actually that difficult at all), the two main starting reagents are citral (gives lemons their fresh smell) and olivetol (5-pentylrescorcinol). Only thing is, olivetol really only gets used for one thing (this synth) so order some, and it'll come with a free law enforcement bumper pack.

You can actually synthesize olivetol, but as many say... If you have to ask how, you shouldn't really be doing it in the first place

 

[Sprinklervibes]

It's wrong to assume indica strains are mainly CBD. The differences between high in strains are probably because of combinations of the different molecules, but CBD and CBN are found to be non-active on their own. The main high will always be from THC..


edit: cbd or cbn(can't remember which) have the medical properties of killing pain, that's why most medical users prefer indica's..

 

[Blowmonkey]

The differences between high in strains are probably because of combinations of the different molecules, but CBD and CBN are found to be non-active on their own. The main high will always be from THC..

CBD has been found to be non-psychoactive on it's own. CBN does have psychoactive properties, but they're about ~10 times less potent as those of THC. Indica strains aren't "mainly CBD", but they contain higher proportions of the chemical. If a strain has a higher CBD content as opposed to THC you can consider it hemp, most of the time the CBD percentage doesn't go much further as 2% in most commercially based Indica (dominant) strains. Sativa's on the other hand have almost a non-existant CBD content, generally below the 0.5%.. The main high that comes from THC is definitely altered when you add CBD or CBN into the mix.

Cbd is a product that comes from degrading thc due to heat, so only black hashes or black hash oil would become more potent with this, and then still people buy black hash because they want the stone, the couchlock, not the uppity high from thc like blonde hashes.

I was under the impression that CBD is a naturally occuring chemical in Cannabis plants, it does not exist only as a degradation product. What gives most of the effects in heated hash is CBN, not CBD.