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Synthetic cannabinoids worthwhile vs. Cannabis

Are synthetic cannabinoids worth taking if you have access to good cannabis?

  • No

    Votes: 34 50.7%

  • Yes, namely ...

    Votes: 33 49.3%
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As said: if you can also smoke a good grade of cannabis, would you still find synthetic cannabinoids worthwhile and if so, comment which ones are!

Oh by the way I voted no. Though I must say I only have JWH-073 and never took a hefty dose of it.
 
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^there are more people in this forum who have likely tried JWH's then in CD.

I chose YES.

Dont get me wrong though. I enjoy good quality cannabis more than any synthetics that ive tried (jwh-018, jwh-073, and whatever mixes of cannabinoids they put in smoke blends).

But the synthetics have their own qualities to add. And are nice for a change from cannabis.

Overall i prefer cannabis but think that synthetics are still worth trying even though they may not be as good IMO.

(i am intrigued about trying higher doses of some synthetics though to achieve mre psychedelic effects)
 
^^ What about the inherent health risks with a relatively new substance? Al though I can normally get really nice buds, I am tempted to try out some of the synthetic cannabinoids, especially since Delsyd suggests they are worthwhile. I'm just concerned about the health risks since not a lot is known about these synthetics. Delsyd, factoring in the possible unknown health effects, do you still think it is worth trying out synthetic cannabinoids when you have access to good quality cannabis?
 
I enjoy the synthetics quite a bit, they are cheap and wont show up on a drug test. But they feel somewhat hollow in comparison to good marijuana. That, along with the whole social activity of smoking pot makes me prefer marijuana.
 
I was very interested until I saw of speculation about the possible harmful effects. I get some amazing bud, so taking the risk just isn't worth it atm.

I would be interested in a more psychedelic or dissociating cannabinoid than weed. Weed sometimes just becomes to much of a light drug no matter how much I smoke... boo tolerance!
 
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Well i live by the philosophy of ill try anything twice (twice because you may not get a good impression of it the first time around).

As for the health risks, like you said they are unknown. As long as one doesnt go abusing these substances (or any other RC's because the health risks for those are unknown aswell) i dont see the harm in trying out some novel compounds just for the experience.
 
Cloudy said:
I would be interested in a more psychedelic or dissociating cannabinoid than weed.
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jwh-018 was both of those IME.

and i didnt find much cross tolerance between synthetics and cannabis.
Which is another reason i think they are worth trying.

When pot tolerance gets too high, synthetics can take the place for a couple days for a change in high (though i find smoking a different strain can do the same thing)
 
Yes they are worthwhile. I have amazing dro and I still bust out my jwh-073/250 when i want to kick it up a notch. While I LOVE bud and always will, the new options are fantastic if you are looking for a super clean, almost speedy type of high that will take your night to a more psychedelic level without having to commit to a full on trip.
 
I voted no due to a few bad experiences and the health concerns. However, my answer could change in the future if some better synthetics are developed, or someone figures out a great mix and the health concerns are put to rest.

I'd also agree with islander, that the social aspect of smoking is a pretty good part of the weed experience. I don't think I'd smoke white powder with friends and, truth be told, i don't think I'll do it again by myself. If I tried some synthetics again, I'd probably be eating them or infusing them into something yummy and smokable.
 
I prefer buds. :)

I don't think there's anything wrong with sampling the synthetics occasionally, but their possible toxicity worries me enough that I stay away from them completely. I've weighed the risks vs. the rewards, and for me its just not worth the possible toxicity to experience a mediocre synthetic cannabinoid high.

*cue some crazy ass rick james shit*
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She's my main thanggggg.
 
I prefer the high from weed (so far) vs synthetics, but they're nearly as good.
They have a few advantages though - The synthetics are orally active (for me atleast - seems like not the case for many - i get nice and stoned from ~1mg of JWH 250 taken orally). I'm very interested in trying the CP's, because they don't have the same toxicity issue as the JWH's, are orally active, and last a nice long time. Also, they don't smell like weed when vaporized.
 
Roger&Me said:
I prefer buds. :)

I don't think there's anything wrong with sampling the synthetics occasionally, but their possible toxicity worries me enough that I stay away from them completely. I've weighed the risks vs. the rewards, and for me its just not worth the possible toxicity to experience a mediocre synthetic cannabinoid high.

*cue some crazy ass rick james shit*
Do Doo Dooo Dooooooo
Maaarrryyy Jaaaaaannne
She's my main thanggggg.
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Yeah this is how I feel towards them.....why is it worth taking the risk when I personally prefer the high of pot versus that of a possible carcinogen which for me causes a very anxious high.
 
JWH-250 should be more safe than the other JWH's, because the main fear is the napthyl group, which is not present in JWH250.

I think the CP's are more stable than people seem to be thinking. The only reference that i'm aware of was just determining that they're stable for months, without studying longer-term.

Is anyone aware of reports by users of degrading CP? I havn't seen any, just people debating how low a temperature they should store them at, and people saying they had no problems.

If i get some, i think i'll leave a sample of it at room temperature, and a sample open to the air. See how long it takes to degrade significantly.
 
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Cloudy said:
I would be interested in a more psychedelic or dissociating cannabinoid than weed.
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Consistent reports of a substantially more psychedelic cannabinoid synthetic are the only thing that would make me get more than the 200 mgs of JWH-018 I have. I'm deeply fascinated by the psychedelic-like effects of cannabis, or anything with psychedelic effects that's not a 5-HT agonist, really--new routes through consciousness and all.

That said, I enjoy 18 at low doses, and I've had some fascinating experiences at high doses. I'll get a rush of paranoia and self-doubt, but the feelings are baseless. It forces me to trust rational introspection over emotion, and as soon as I do and see the absurdity of my negative feelings I get a wave of euphoria. This has happened both times I took high doses. If there's any consistency in these effects I could see it being a very valuable exercise of sorts.
 
Yes, the synthetics are worthwhile. In terms of effects, at least. If it turns out that they're all terribly lethal, then of course their effects matter very little in weighing up their worth. I've sampled a range of these, but the only one I've had as a known quantity (i.e. bought as itself, not in a blend with secret ingredients) is JWH-073. I find the high from this has more of the euphoric (mental and bodily) aspects of cannabis, and some mild cannabis-like psychedelia at higher doses, but with less dissociation or confusion than cannabis. A very nice and satisfying cannabinoid, in my view; and one that betters cannabis in some respects (or, if you will, for some occasions: sometimes I do want dissociation, say to facilitate more full absorption in the more psychedelic aspects of the experience). So I would miss it, were only cannabis available.

None of the blends I've used (Spice/ Spice Gold/ Spice Diamond, Smoke, Genie, Tropical Synergy, Arctic, and a few others) have been quite like JWH-073; so I'm guessing if any of them have some in them, they have something else on top. I think I'd be sad not to have Smoke, which impressed me from the start, as giving a clean buzz much purer and less involving than cannabis (useful in some circumstances). Spice made me feel a bit droney and was physically uncomfortable at times, and Tropical knocks me out such that I have a hard time waking up the following morning, which is annoying. So I'd happily do without any of them.
 
I voted yes for a variety reasons. It seems every different chem or plant has a slighlty different personality and experience. In this day and age of the THC witch hunts in the form of urine tests these synthetics seem a way around that. For me it seems the Universe needed a solution for all the good people subjected to drug tests. The "stoned" state must prevail whether our society believes it should or not. :)

Also I've had some great insights off some of them, very important ones so I can see they are necessary. Saying that if good green is around that is reached for first due to the unknown safety of the synthetics.
 
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