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Sydney/Australian opiate injectors

herm1t

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I was wondering how many people on this forum use opiates or inject them? That is morphine, heroin, oxycodone etc. For the people that do use opiates: Do you shoot? Do you use wheel filters? Do you visit needle exchanges and what opiates are generally available to you?

Just trying to get a rough idea of how common opiate injectors are on bluelight and what harm reduction techniques they use.
 
i've only injected heroin (simple cotton filter) and oxycodone opioid wise this year (sometimes a wheel filter otherwise double full cotton filter through a luer lock - i'm getting the micron filters bAack into the equation from now on). using swabs, sterile water/tap water (there's a study that been conducted that puts tap water at the top of the list of water solution to mix with in australia after ampoule water and boiled, which i'll drag up in a minute. bacteriostatic water would be trump as it contains a small amount of benzyl alcohol to kill of bacteria. the tips i've used have been 26g and 27g. 30 and 31g i found a little hard to register with as when it would pierce the skin it would block the bevel, 26g is better for solution over the 2mL imo and is less prone to get blocked from congealed blood through registering the shot.

i've also injected MDPV, meth and MXE and midazolam this year. IM'd a fair bit of MXE as well as a bit of midazolam.

ideally if im using 1ml terumo 27g needles i like to transfer the solution into a fresh rig as the tip can be blunted from filter, hitting the spoon, baggy, etc. this isn't always the case though.

i always visit a pharmacy or NSP for all my goods. ordered from the internet a few times and quality control is poor in some cases as can be with particular re-tractables - butler brand being the worst retractable i've used.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/489449-Heirarchy-of-water-for-injection-safety
Thought this might be a useful thread to help counter the popular myth that bottled spring water is safer to inject than regular tap water. This issue has been thoroughly researched by harm reduction services across the world, and the following has been published by Exchange Supplies. This advice was written for the UK, however it applies to basically all countries in the developed world, who have standards in place on the treatment of drinking water.

Hierarchy of Water Risks (Safest to least safe)

1) Unopened ampoule of sterile water

The 'gold standard' for safety, an ampoule of water for injections means that the water used for dissolving the drugs isn't going to be the source of viral or bacterial infection.

2) Boiled water

Boiling water in a kettle will kill virtually all organisms, and using boiled water from a kettle is the advice to injectors who do not have an ampoule of water for injections.

Although it is true that to guarantee that even the most resistant pathogens are killed the water should be boiled for several minutes, in practice the additional benefits are few and advice to boil water in a pan is problematic because:

* the water takes time to cool, and could become contaminated during cooling;
* the pan or lid used to boil the water could be contaminated; and
* the advice is unlikely to be followed, and there is a risk that injectors will take the view that if they can't follow the advice, then they might as well not bother doing anything because they are taking a risk anyway.

3) Kitchen tap - cold water

The reason the poster differentiates the kitchen tap from other taps in the house is that the kitchen tap is usually fed from the rising main which, in the UK, is usually virtually or completely free from bacteria.

Water from bathroom taps may have been stored in a cold water tank in the roof where it can become much more contaminated with bacteria: not a problem if you're drinking it, the acid of the stomach is able to kill low levels of bacteria without a problem, but not so good if the water is being injected.

4) Bottled water

The constant advertising and marketing of bottled water has created a strong perception in the public psyche of it as a pure, safe source of water that is better than tap water.

Certainly in the UK it is open to debate whether this is true in terms of drinking water – the UK has a very good safety record for our drinking water which is pure and free from contamination. But for use as a liquid for dissolving drugs for injection, there is no debate: tap water is almost always better than bottled water because the bacteria count will be lower. The bacteria count in bottled water is much higher than in tap water, and varies according to the temperature at which it is stored, and can be very high if someone has drunk the water from the bottle.

This is not to say that the bacteria in bottled water are harmful if drunk – the acid in your stomach is perfectly well able to kill bacteria at these levels, however when injected intravenously, they can cause infections.

Distilled water

Distilled water is boiled and then condensed to ensure it is free of all minerals, and people could be excused for thinking that it might be sterile. However, the end use of distilled water is in machinery and there is no requirement for the water to be clean in terms of bacteria count. Indeed the condensing plates and bottling plants are often low tech, and dirty.

5) Hot water from a tap

The water in a domestic hot water tank is not hot enough to kill all bacteria. If the tank has been warmed and cooled, the bacteria count can grow.

6) Toilet water

It could be argued that pointing out the dangers of drawing water out of a toilet is stating the obvious, but having it there – and not at the bottom of the list – makes the point that the other sources of water below it are *really* dangerous.

There was some debate in the drafting process about whether the harm reduction advice to take water from the cistern rather than the bowl, but we didn't for two reasons:

* firstly, most public toilets have the cisterns secured and inaccessible; and
* secondly where people can access cisterns they can usually access a tap.

7) Puddle water

As with toilet water this is on the poster to highlight the serious nature of the risks associated with water that could be contaminated with blood.

The advice to catch rain water instead was suggested by homeless drug users, who described it as a harm reduction strategy they had developed.

8) Part-used ampoule

Many injecting drug users underestimate the risks of sharing the source of water that they use for preparing their drugs for injection.

Because ampoules of water for injections 'feel' medical, safe and sterile, injectors will sometimes choose to take water from a part used ampoule. Clearly this carries a very high risk of viral infection (hep C, hep B, HIV), and this is highlighted by the position of the opened ampoule below water from toilets and puddles.

9) Shared cup

Too often when there is a group of injectors together in a room, the source of water used for preparing drugs for injection, is a single cup of water.

Sometimes this same cup is used to draw water to clean injecting equipment, and to repeatedly draw water to prepare drugs for injection.

This presents a significant risk of blood borne virus transmission, and one of the key functions of the poster is to highlight this risk and danger - which many injectors are not aware of, or underestimate.

There was some debate during the peer review process as to whether the ampoule was higher risk than the cup, but as the ampoule has a limited volume it is unlikely that it could have been contaminated by more than one person, whereas the cup could have been contaminated by many – hence it's position at the bottom of the table.-
 
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I've been a frequent opiate user for the last 2 years and made the swap to IV use earlier in the year. Primarily oxycodone, which is very available at the moment, but I've also shot morphine, H, fentanyl and methadone on occasion.

Of those, I'd have to say morphine or H were my favorites, H doesn't have that prickly histamine rush of morphine, but strangely morphine felt like it really had legs compared to H. I'd be wanting a second shot of H within 5 or 6 hours, but morphine I could shoot up in the morning and still feel great well into the afternoon.

Oxycodone is great too, and I think very underrated for IV use, the duration is somewhat shorter than oral, but the gap between the oral and IV BA, at least for me, is a lot larger than most people seem to think. It definitely feels like I'm getting more bang for buck by shooting it. Methadone was so/so, the main advantage being the long duration. Obviously H is also a lot easier to prep, just dissolve in 0.5ml, filter and shoot, whereas prepping pills is a more complicated process and results in a 2 - 3ml shot as a rule.

I've been lucky with my supplies, there's an exchange in the city just a short train ride from my house that hands out everything you could possibly need, inc. wheel filters, sterile water, etc. free of charge.

That said, has anyone had any luck obtaining detachable LUA style needles in 29g? The smallest I can find is 27g, even though the 1ml pre-attached syringes come with 29g tips. Given that I have generally shitty veins and only a few reliable sites to rotate, I like to do everything I can to minimize any potential damage.

i've also injected MDPV, meth and MXE and midazolam this year. IM'd a fair bit of MXE as well as a bit of midazolam.

How did you like IV MXE? I tried snorting it and was pretty unimpressed, but I kept the dose fairly low since it was my first time and I was also on oxy. I have about 50mg left and was thinking about IVing some. Did you have to adjust the dose much from the sublingual/nasal dose?


Another relevant thread:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/567421-Needle-Syringe-Program-Locations

I think an IV/opiate thread is definitely called for, just browsing over the last few pages looking for that NSP thread, I realized how much of the discussion on AUDD revolves around opiates these days. 2 - 3 years ago it was all MDMA/meth, and to a lesser extent psychs, but for whatever reason opiates have really taken off it would seem.
 
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How did you like IV MXE? I tried snorting it and was pretty unimpressed, but I kept the dose fairly low since it was my first time and I was also on oxy. I have about 50mg left and was thinking about IVing some. Did you have to adjust the dose much from the sublingual/nasal dose?
was your mxe from a reliable source? if so, what dose? 50mg is around the consensus for a decent above threshold dose nasally. i've tried from two vendors and the one i ordered from was trumps, the real deal. the other was the supposed indian deal going around and was 1/3 - 1/4 of the quality.

i'd recommend IM over IV and half the 50mg dose, 25mg of good quality puts one in a decent m-hole. IM and IV require a lot less dosage wise. you're in most cases in an m-hole by the time the plunger is pushed down so you have to be well prepared without holing and leaving the rig stuck in your arm. a trip sitter is imperative IM comes on a lot more smoothly because of the 5-10min buffer and an all round trip. i can't comment on sublingual but snorting was nice; IM is definitely my preferred route. i'm not going to lie though, IV MXE was stunning, especially with the PV as i never seemed to get stuck in the time loop as i tend to with dissociatives. a little too intense though even for me:D

i was reckless using unknown (read large) amounts, sometimes mixed in with the PV, and it was like prepping any other drug for IV except much agitation still proved to leave miniscule crystals left in the solution which were taken under the tongue or just swallowing. the crystalline powder definitely needs to be crushed for maximum absorption when injecting.
 
was your mxe from a reliable source? if so, what dose? 50mg is around the consensus for a decent above threshold dose nasally. i've tried from two vendors and the one i ordered from was trumps, the real deal. the other was the supposed indian deal going around and was 1/3 - 1/4 of the quality.

Yeah source was reliable. I bought a point on a whim, went through about half of it, but spread out in small 10 - 15mg doses over quite a few hours, so I was never in a full blown hole, just a mild trippy dissociated state.

i'd recommend IM over IV and half the 50mg dose, 25mg of good quality puts one in a decent m-hole. IM and IV require a lot less dosage wise. you're in most cases in an m-hole by the time the plunger is pushed down so you have to be well prepared without holing and leaving the rig stuck in your arm. a trip sitter is imperative IM comes on a lot more smoothly because of the 5-10min buffer and an all round trip. i can't comment on sublingual but snorting was nice; IM is definitely my preferred route. i'm not going to lie though, IV MXE was stunning, especially with the PV as i never seemed to get stuck in the time loop as i tend to with dissociatives. a little too intense though even for me:D

Hmm. I've always liked the idea of IVing a dissociative, just because it seems like it would be a hell of an experience to go from 0 - hole so fast, but I don't want to pass out with a needle in my arm, so maybe IM is the go.

i was reckless using unknown (read large) amounts, sometimes mixed in with the PV, and it was like prepping any other drug for IV except much agitation still proved to leave miniscule crystals left in the solution which were taken under the tongue or just swallowing. the crystalline powder definitely needs to be crushed for maximum absorption when injecting.

The stuff I have isn't crystalline at all, it's a very fine, fluffy powder, very sharp burn when snorted.

I'll give it a spin on the weekend and see how it goes :)
 
i always like the idea of iVing a dissociative for the same reasons as youtself (k initially) so when i got my hands on mxe i couldn't resist. i'm a confident IVer and have been injecting for 6 years or so so have a decent enough judgement when/if i need to pull out. sounds like different batches we had as i never got a burning sensation when bumping it, nothing worse than oxy. the drip was a little nasty though. mine seemed white and fluffy from the baggy but when in the spoon and drawn up there were definite remnants left. another bler noticed the same after performing an IM injection.

if you do IV some, start small. 10mg i would say would be a nice place to start out to gauge your response.
 
i always like the idea of iVing a dissociative for the same reasons as youtself (k initially) so when i got my hands on mxe i couldn't resist. i'm a confident IVer and have been injecting for 6 years or so so have a decent enough judgement when/if i need to pull out. sounds like different batches we had as i never got a burning sensation when bumping it, nothing worse than oxy. the drip was a little nasty though. mine seemed white and fluffy from the baggy but when in the spoon and drawn up there were definite remnants left. another bler noticed the same after performing an IM injection.

if you do IV some, start small. 10mg i would say would be a nice place to start out to gauge your response.

Odd that you don't get a burn, but RC's being what they are, it could be for a million reasons.

I actually wanted to try IV K long before I even thought about injecting opiates, but by the time I'd learned my way around a needle K had dried up in my city, so I suppose MXE is the next best thing.

I'll definitely start small, if 25mg is a good dose then that leaves me a bit of room to play around with.
 
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