Opioids Switching to Kratom or Morphine?

[pnillyg]

Hi everyone,

I’m currently taking anywhere from 0.5 to 2 milligrams of buprenorphine daily. I’m planning on undergoing Iboga or Ibogaine treatment soon. The clinic staff has recommended that I switch to either Kratom or a short-acting opiate before coming in for the detox.

I’m looking for advice on how to transition from buprenorphine to Kratom or to a short-acting opiate. If anyone has experience with this, I’d really appreciate your insights on:

1. The process of switching from buprenorphine to Kratom or short-acting opiates.

2. Any tips or tricks that made the transition easier.

3. Any warnings or things to watch out for during the transition.

Thanks in advance for your help!

 

[pnillyg]

Anybody got anything for me? Also now asking what the best ROA for Clonazepam and Diazepam are? Peace and love


Edit:

I’d also like to add that I tried 4gs of kratom this morning and it didn’t do much… this would be around 35 hrs no bupe so may just keep going with the ct… gabbapenton and cannabis helping. Also a little 1mg bnz

 

[daturetard]

The kratom will be closer. Morphine is a full agonist and will be a "worse"(not than bupe really but I'm not typing that much to explain) addiction kratom is a partial agonist, as is bupe. And the highest affinity alkaloid in kratom is 20-30x affinity (not potency) for the receptor than morphine giving a better chance to kick bupe off the receptors and I've never heard of pwd from kratom but I'd wait to be sure sorry for shitty grammar I'm fugtup

 

[pnillyg]

The kratom will be closer. Morphine is a full agonist and will be a "worse"(not than bupe really but I'm not typing that much to explain) addiction kratom is a partial agonist, as is bupe. And the highest affinity alkaloid in kratom is 20-30x affinity (not potency) for the receptor than morphine giving a better chance to kick bupe off the receptors and I've never heard of pwd from kratom but I'd wait to be sure sorry for shitty grammar I'm fugtup

Im not worried about the addiction I'm looking for relief until I can undergo my detox treatment in a few months. Thank you for the response...

Anybody else have any thoughts?

 

[pnillyg]

The kratom will be closer. Morphine is a full agonist and will be a "worse"(not than bupe really but I'm not typing that much to explain) addiction kratom is a partial agonist, as is bupe. And the highest affinity alkaloid in kratom is 20-30x affinity (not potency) for the receptor than morphine giving a better chance to kick bupe off the receptors and I've never heard of pwd from kratom but I'd wait to be sure sorry for shitty grammar I'm fugtup

What kind of kratom and how much would you recommend? I took 4gs of red vein maeng da and nothing...

 

[Tsimmons850]

Morphine gets a bad rep. A UK study proves Morphine is the better than methadone/Subs.had a 90% success rate in 3 weeks. Google it .European Addiction Research Vol. 11, No. 3 (2005), pp. 145-151 (7 pages) TITLE - Use of Slow-Release Oral Morphine for the Treatment of Opioid Dependence.
kratom is junk lately, gets pricey.
Subs will suck u down into the deep as what Subs do.

 

[Keif' Richards]

It shouldn't be that difficult to make the transition. In these things, it's often much more complicated going the other direction, from a full-agonist, like Morphine or Kratom to a drug like Buprenorphine. When switching from a full-agonist to Buprenorphine you have to not only figure out the correct dose, you also have to be fairly precise regarding the timing of that dose.

Your situation should be pretty easy, especially considering addiction is not an issue for you at this point in your life. If the only aim is to transition from Buprenorphine to either Kratom or Morphine, then you really just need to take enough to make you functional. There are tables used to determine relative potency between full agonists and Buprenorphine, though like I said, it's usually more complicated than that.

Your Buprenorphine dose isn't extremely high either. In fact, it would be considered on the low side when being used for maintenance. You could probably get away with 30mg oral Morphine without feeling terrible. You may need to go as high as 60mg for the first couple of days, but my advice would be not to go higher than this. I know addiction isn't an issue. It does seem that, just based upon their instructions to switch from a long-acting to a short-acting that the length and breadth of a person's dependence does have some bearing on the success of the treatment. I would still treat it with some severity and keep the dose low.

Kratom is a little different, as we don't have standardized dosing units to work with. If you have products you have used in the past, I would recommend searching those out. Your own prior experience with a specific product will probably be more illuminating to you than any level of research you could do on the internet.

Let me know if you have any other questions. This shouldn't be too tough though. Congratulations on trying something new to better your life!

The Benzodiaezepines you have listed don't need to be taken any other way than by mouth. The bioavailability is high and there's no good reason to experiement with ROA in this situation.