Survival: A sign that Life went bad?

[Ksa]

Today, people are too busy surviving to actually live life. There is no joy in survival, only work, sweat and suffering. Is it a sign that there is too much life, or a sign that life went bad, and is no longer pure? Is survival the first step towards the end of Life as we know it?

Discuss.

 

[newnature]

Today, people are too busy surviving to actually live life. There is no joy in survival, only work, sweat and suffering. Is it a sign that there is too much life, or a sign that life went bad, and is no longer pure? Is survival the first step towards the end of Life as we know it?

Discuss.

Don't forget about religion's ministers of righteousness, how much is a person life wasted because of these dudes?

Satan’s ministers of righteousness use the word reform, but reformation would be a work of the believer for God. They would appeal to people to reform, yet some people think it is their responsibility to remove their sins. These people commit, they recommit, they recommit their re-commitment.

Most often these people give up at some point, they fool themselves into thinking they have achieved it or they give up, because every time they are sinning again. Since they think salvation is tied to their behavior, they never come to the point of placing their total trust in the fact that Christ remove their sin, it is gone.

 

[newnature]

Today, people are too busy surviving to actually live life. There is no joy in survival, only work, sweat and suffering. Is it a sign that there is too much life, or a sign that life went bad, and is no longer pure? Is survival the first step towards the end of Life as we know it?

Discuss.

Sorry about what said in your post, I looked at your profile and I should not have brought that subject up; sorry about that. I would say money has a lot to do with what your talking about. Being a dude, it cost money to have fun?

 

[neurotic]

i think it would be better if you elaborated further on what exactly do you mean.

because, from the angle that i'm looking at, i think that in fact, today, we got much more time than before to "live" as opposed to simply "survive". imagine how it was say one hundred or so years ago, with no electricity, no cars, etc... people had to spend a considerable amount of time and effort with things we don't even consider right now, such as, cleaning clothes. food even. living with no refrigerator is a pain in the ass. with sufficient money nowadays, you can live without having to worry even the slightest bit about surviving... compare how we humans live with animals in the wild for example, which have to kill their food and eat it raw, sleep on the ground, stay dirty forever, not wipe their asses, etc... i mean, the effort we have to do to survive, it's almost nothing.

anyway, you might find the book "Walden" interesting - i don't know if you have heard about it or something. the first chapter is actually a long rant about how people (almost two hundred years ago) effectively had more than enough resources to "live an idyllic existence", but even then, they simply "survived". the whole book seems to be centered around this theme.

 

[Foreigner]

Ksa, which "people" are you referring to? There are good and bad things happening in the world every second. Not everyone is merely surviving and suffering. A lot of people enjoy living life too. I think the reality is that it's a mixed bag. Life isn't always roses but it's not always shit either. That's true for even wealthy people.

Are you talking about suffering and survival as the basis of human nature? Because that's something else entirely.

I don't understand the statement that survival is a sign of life going bad. Do you mean, if you're merely just in survival mode all the time, then you've failed at life?

 

[DixiChik]

I don't know if it's relevant, but I simply "exist". I don't "live" a full life due to chronic pain from trauma and disease (and the surgeries and chemo to contain both).

I cannot tolerate pain meds, because my bowels and bladder are already "choked". I'm told CBD:THC oil would help with inflammation/abdominal adhesions, but I will never know.

I have what should be a "good life". I have a husband of almost 36 years, though disease robbed me of the blessing of being a mother. I have a career that I love. I have a beautiful home on 2 acres of land. I love and I am loved. I know this, yet I feel empty.

I think I pushed through decades of pain, with "hope" that my health would get better. It hasn't. I've just gotten OLDER while "hoping". Both my husband and I have moms in nursing home. We see how this ends, probably long before we should. I leave there feeling thankful that I am not "there" yet. I often fantasize about just ending this pain for myself, and my husband by default.

Something tells me "DON'T...maybe your miracle is just around the corner!". My threshold of pain is far higher than the average person. I have always possessed the ability to "fake perfection" because nobody wants to be around my pain. I'm tired of the grind. I'm tired of waking every day to rinse and repeat.

I need HELP.

 

[szuko000]

There is a difference between survival (which i am taking as fulfilling basic physical and safety needs) and a living a less basic existence. Psychologists have debated this type of thing in the past and the general idea is basic needs must be met and then other more "human traits" can only be focus on after those are met. So people in societies where they spend more time fulfilling basic needs may not have as rich a culture such as wide range of music or creative people. I'm thinking like "Maslow's hierarchy of needs"

Its not that theres no joy in surviving thats basically what our ancestors did it just doesnt allow for as much lengthy creative thinking and achieving everything you have potential to. Survival isnt a sign that life went bad its just a different type of existence one most modern humans are not use to considering.

 

[Ksa]

i think it would be better if you elaborated further on what exactly do you mean.

because, from the angle that i'm looking at, i think that in fact, today, we got much more time than before to "live" as opposed to simply "survive". imagine how it was say one hundred or so years ago, with no electricity, no cars, etc... people had to spend a considerable amount of time and effort with things we don't even consider right now, such as, cleaning clothes. food even. living with no refrigerator is a pain in the ass. with sufficient money nowadays, you can live without having to worry even the slightest bit about surviving... compare how we humans live with animals in the wild for example, which have to kill their food and eat it raw, sleep on the ground, stay dirty forever, not wipe their asses, etc... i mean, the effort we have to do to survive, it's almost nothing.

anyway, you might find the book "Walden" interesting - i don't know if you have heard about it or something. the first chapter is actually a long rant about how people (almost two hundred years ago) effectively had more than enough resources to "live an idyllic existence", but even then, they simply "survived". the whole book seems to be centered around this theme.

That may be, but the extra time that people get due to technology, they use it to gain a skill or learn something to become better in a certain way, so by doing this uncalled for effort they become better qualified for better jobs than someone who plays video-games because he's got a fridge and doesn't have to hunt.

So it looks like we got more free time but we don't, and if you do have free time, you're losing something big, or even everything you need to survive because everybody else considers that free time as extra work time. Read my other post:

Ever since my parents stripped me from the playgrounds when I was 6, to get me in school, I knew it would only get worst. I knew school was not a required step to get a better life, but only the beginning of a shit life. I knew the good days were over and I fought the process the best I could...bad grades, absenteeism.

Life on Earth is...intolerable. There's just too much to give. You KNOW what meth feels like, you felt the best of it, the best of YOU. Look at what they make you give! They make you give your best to survive, and what are you left with? The shell? What good is that? Carrying it around, in good health?

I know, I know, I shouldn't have felt that! I shouldn't have felt what "my best" feels like. My best feels amazing! I don't want to give it away, why can't anyone understand this? Why is everybody looking for me to give my best everywhere I go!? My best is a keeper! It's not for fucking sale!

I have taken so many stimulants of known doses for so long that I know exactly what I'm giving away when I give my best at work. It might sound weird, but when you're working your ass for a week and come home tired, during that week, you have blown away the pleasure potential of one or two Heroin shots, mainly as dopaminergic work: Because your dopamine and testosterone increased every morning, and you used your nervous system to do work instead of...sex or shopping.

I just feel like everyone around me is committing suicide in rounds. 3,2,1, slit! And everyone slits a bit, except myself! And then they hate me for having a better life! And they always seem to praise the one who slits the hardest! What if I don't feel comfortable playing this game? Why do I have to play along? For what? For whatever society thinks matters? It doesn't matter to me, not even a bit. Whatever matters to everyone else, is meaningless to me...it will always be meaningless.

I have done what no one else has done before me, not even Einstein: I am able to write a chemical equation for this decaying piece of crap called the human body, and I always balance it to the right, towards pleasure. I refuse to slit my wrists like everyone else. I am not special, I have nothing to show or prove, I am a decaying organic matter without purpose nor meaning. I wish for my decay to be pleasant and enjoyable.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

I am not special, I have nothing to show or prove, I am a decaying organic matter without purpose nor meaning.

This gem is the key to understanding your alienation from wage slaves n' squares. They (and I, for that matter) don't hold this belief as part of the basis of their worldview. And let's face it, this is just one of those core beliefs about life that's pretty polarizing; If you believe one way about it, it's hard to take the perspective of somebody who feels much the opposite.

I have done what no one else has done before me, not even Einstein: I am able to write a chemical equation for this decaying piece of crap called the human body, and I always balance it to the right, towards pleasure.

Wow. I'm pretty sure I'm not capable of that. Trust me, I've tried, and at the end of it all I've ended up housing this idea it in mind next to fountains of youth and money trees. Proudaya, dude.

 

[infectedmushroom]

Survival is a mentality born in anxiety. What if I don't do this, that or the other and I end up without my basic needs being met?

In countries with some sense, there are social welfare systems which give individuals enough support to forego much of the anxiety surrounding the act of just surviving.

There can be a lot of fear surrounding the act of "living" as well, which is why some people may become obsessed with work, which relates to the other thread you started.

Ultimately I think the capitalistic system really thrives off of our anxiety to survive. Ever visited a really impoverished place and met someone who seemed happier and more fulfilled than any over-privileged westerner you'd ever met? Then you'd know what I mean.

 

[belligerent drunk]

because, from the angle that i'm looking at, i think that in fact, today, we got much more time than before to "live" as opposed to simply "survive". imagine how it was say one hundred or so years ago, with no electricity, no cars, etc... people had to spend a considerable amount of time and effort with things we don't even consider right now, such as, cleaning clothes. food even. living with no refrigerator is a pain in the ass. with sufficient money nowadays, you can live without having to worry even the slightest bit about surviving... compare how we humans live with animals in the wild for example, which have to kill their food and eat it raw, sleep on the ground, stay dirty forever, not wipe their asses, etc... i mean, the effort we have to do to survive, it's almost nothing

QFT. Humanity has never had as much free time as it has now thanks to science and technology. Also, regarding the question whether survival is a sign that life is going towards its end... well, it just makes no sense whatsoever, sorry. Can you point to any time in the existence of life on Earth in general when everything wasn't about survival? I mean, it's hard to imagine life without natural selection and/or evolution. If anything, then now is the time when it isn't all about survival. Natural selection doesn't work for humans the way it works for the rest of life anymore thanks to advancements in science and technology.

 

[turkalurk]

Today, people are too busy surviving to actually live life. There is no joy in survival, only work, sweat and suffering. Is it a sign that there is too much life, or a sign that life went bad, and is no longer pure? Is survival the first step towards the end of Life as we know it?

Discuss.

I enjoy my survival everyday. Much better than not surviving.

 

[Ninae]

Lol

 

[Nixiam]

Don't forget about religion's ministers of righteousness, how much is a person life wasted because of these dudes?

Satan’s ministers of righteousness use the word reform, but reformation would be a work of the believer for God. They would appeal to people to reform, yet some people think it is their responsibility to remove their sins. These people commit, they recommit, they recommit their re-commitment.

Most often these people give up at some point, they fool themselves into thinking they have achieved it or they give up, because every time they are sinning again. Since they think salvation is tied to their behavior, they never come to the point of placing their total trust in the fact that Christ remove their sin, it is gone.

I dare you to go a month without using "God" as an explantion. Nothing suggests he exists, nothing can prove he exists, belief is nearly delusional unless you use personal objective exp and some pseudoscience. Just sayin, keep using it if you wanna but BL isn't often so open to dead set religious ideas as key to problem.

To supply my 3 cents to Ksa. Survival is just the act of sustaining life for one's self and one's species. Every organism does it. Doesn't mean life is mute and void.

 

[MajorBong]

Don't get me started on safety.

What nature is is AI stuck as far into providing safety to 100% of everything as best as it possibly can while it designates only one singular life to play.

Nature needs a safer idea than allowing AI to think about allowing "Life the idea" as something that should ever get close to physically happening.

For ones own safety to be more likely you require everyone else's safety as well.

 

[Cosmic Trigger]

Today, people are too busy surviving to actually live life. There is no joy in survival, only work, sweat and suffering. Is it a sign that there is too much life, or a sign that life went bad, and is no longer pure? Is survival the first step towards the end of Life as we know it?

Discuss.

My ex who is the most positive person I've ever known said to me the other day that if there once was ever a time that was happy or content for humanity that time has passed. She said we are now all in "coping mode", even the best of us. At least in first world culture. One of my favorites quotes came from a coworker of mine back when I used to work. He said "survival is overrated". This is why I've become an opiate addict with no apologies.