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Supposed "Molly" capsules in DFW, TX

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They have been going around for at least 3 weeks and while I didn't personally ingest because they hadn't been chemically tested, I was finally able to test one with the marquis straight from the packet of powder that was to be capsulated.

The following is my statement copied/pasted from pillreports.com to further inform:
There are currently capsules of supposed Molly going around DFW. The powder is very white and has the soft consistency of baby powder. I have personally tested with the marquis and this is what I think they could possibly be due to the test observation. Per erowid.org: DiPT - fizzes strongly then turns a neon yellow; I also saw smoke rise as parts fizzed. People are saying they enjoyed them but I believe most if not all had probably taken ecstasy tabs prior or after ingesting the caps. DiPT is a psychedelic hallucinogenic drug of the tryptamine family that has a unique effect. While the majority of hallucinogens affect the visual sense, DiPT is primarily aural (which I think would most likely intensify your sense of already hyped/sensetive hearing during a roll, that is if in fact that is really what chemical it is). Be safe.
 
Methylone also goes yellow with the marquis if I recall correctly.

It's probably not DiPT, as DiPT is very well known for its strong and bizarre audio hallucinations. Probably a cathinone of some sort, would be my guess.
 
I thought possibly Methylone as well and it might make more sense. The only reason I thought DiPT over that was because results didn't just turn yellow, it fizzed (and smoked) and turned bright neon yellow just as erowid mentions specifically. I guess the only way to find out exactly is to lab test it or get some feedback on how it made someone feel taken with no other substances. One thing is for sure, it is not MDMA.
 
Heres a photo of a methylone result - (bought from RC vendor).
 

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It really could be either one I assume or possibly something else all together. I did taste it at the time of testing and found it to be slightly bitter but not near as bitter as a good MDMA tab or Molly.

I have some questions:
Isn't methylone powder usually more of an off-white, tan or yellow color though (as most images online I've seen show to be), rather than chalk white? Also, could methylone possibly fizz and smoke as well or does it just calmly change to a yellow color? When I come in contact with it again I am going to run another test. If it is methylone, would you suggest to steer clear of it?
 
Different batches could be a different colour texture so I wouldnt like to say for sure what it looks like. If you check the below thread you will see some user results - some people love it, some hate it, some wouldnt mess around with any of these RC's at all.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=323408

If you have any questions about specific test results, batches or effects then just ask on that thread - you will probably get a quicker answer :)
 
So, I'm a DFW dude. Of course it's hard to be *certain*, but my bet is that these are still going around. And of course there's always the chance of similar molly misrepresentation, but following up on the information here, I'm *almost certain* this perfectly accounts for what I came across. Stick with me for a minute here...

Last weekend I was pretty surprised to hear that molly was on the table instead of tabs. Things were looking pretty good. Things looked a LOT less good when I saw the actual caps my buddy had procured. The contents looked super powdery and in the 200+ milligram mark, not a good sign. Didn't really want to even open it, but in hindsight I wish I'd taken the time to taste test it. Everyone that had already consumed any (without tabs, and probably about an hour or less before) seemed to be having a good roll, but slightly jacked up. Not tweaked, but not laid out. I bombed my cap and hoped for the best. My stomach was pretty darn near empty at the time.

There was a pretty mild come up sensation for about half an hour or so, after that there was a noticeable acceleration. It must've been around the 45 minute mark or so when the "oomph" hit my head and indicated the peak was starting. This seemed really odd at the time, because it felt way too strong too early, and there wasn't a hyperactive meth edge to it. Definitely more along the lines of a disorientated, mild trippiness. The mental/physical effects while peaking mostly resembled MDMA in nature, the exceptions being a MILD stimulant edge and shallower lovey doveyness to the experience. Overall duration seemed appropriate for MDMA. Comedown wise, things were pretty easy. There wasn't a significant depression in mood, but it didn't gently ebb away, either. The stimulated sensation lingered throughout the night, but again, nothing that suggested to me an amphetamine factor. The day after felt a bit lethargic, but that's where the detectable effects ended. Overall, the "molly" cap wasn't bad; it felt close to molly, but lacked the self-transcending revelatory feel.

Even though whatever was in the capsule didn't seem outwardly harmful, I have immense interest in following up on adulteration/misrepresentation for safety's sake, so I set off on the internet to figure out what the hell was up. Rechecking the familiar Erowid vaults/etc didn't help, and eventually (thank god) I stumbled upon this thread. I'd never read into MDMA analogues before... what can I say, I never imagined them to be a threat like Piperazines, nor a likely encounter to consume. But after a good deal of reading substance information/consumption reports, I'll be damned if Methylone doesn't sound spot on. I guess even a Methylone/Mephedrone mixture could still account, but either way, the traditional adulterants didn't seem to be at play.

Just dropping in my two cents on the matter... normally I wouldn't care about posting, but since I'm DFW area, the coincidence seems pretty relevant. It would feel like a mega lame disservice to withhold firsthand anecdotal information that might help out someone else around here, even if the benefit is small. And for the sake of all that is good and holy in the world, the last thing we need is EVEN FRICKIN' MORE ambiguity amongst a largely retarded "scene" about the nuances of pure MDMA.
 
I also happened to stumble across this..molly. I tested it half an hour ago and had the same test results you had.

lawlz, thanks for the helpful and insightful post
 
I took these yesterday and I have to agree 100% with the other reports that it is Methylone..It closely resembles MDMA with the physical sensitivity and audio, also a very good mood..It did somewhat lack in the lovey dovey feeling but it is hardly noticible until you reflect on your "roll" after you come down... All in all i wouldnt tell somebody not to take these as I found it very enjoyable(with weed at the peak)!! Just know that your dealer or whoever he copped from is F O S for calling it molly but have no fear in it being a pipe or some other garbage..
 
I took some of these last weekend. I was skeptical on weight as they were big but they had a distinctive odor that I recognized as a good thing. The powder was nearly pure white. Looked to be a clean synth but Im no chemist. I suspected mdmcat based on the capsule weight (.4) and the odor. I was wondering if someone would bother cutting it as it was so heavy but im sure this was pure. I dosed one and it came on hard and fast. Whomever dosed these is generous. I felt a little more into me than into others but that wasnt so bad. Thats just how mdmcat affects me. Personally I like it better in a social setting. I can funtion better and as someone said before I seem to have better retention.

All in all having taken many empathogens I wasnt upset to get a nice dose of methylone. It is better in some ways and not as good in others as mdma. Sort of like mdma is to mda. I dont see much a distinction between mdma's relationship and mda with regards to this. If mda/mde/mdma is molly why isnt mdmcat? Either way if theyre both pure I dont think one could complain. I would rather have a cap of pure mdmcat than a dodgy pressed tab most likely cut with stims or even pipes. Heck I remember giving top dollar for mdmcat in the past. In some cases choosing it over known good mdma because I didnt care to go through the come down associated with the latter. Best thing is I slept after two.

I wouldnt go dosing a lot of these in one night though. Its seems that after the third dose the side effects begin to outweigh the benefits. As big as these are that would be nearly a gram at 3 doses. Thats a heavy dose. Some weed near the end really brings things back into play.

Nice experience. I would repeat. :)

I think the bigger question is. Is this illegal? I would REALLY love to hear some theories about legality under these circumstances.

If someone got caught with them would they be charged under analogue law?

-what if it were already capped
-what if you had powdered (labeled NHC or not labeled at all) in a bag

Would they have reagent tests and would the average cop realize the deal when it turned yellow and not purple as he would expect with mdma?

My bet is you would go to jail and they would sort it out later but the fact remains noone has been prosecuted for mdmcat and the last analogue case I recall was lost. I am no lawyer. I would love to hear some comments. My current understanding is the burden of proof lies on the prosecutor to proove it is indeed an analogue which I assume it is and more importantly whether it can be proven they were representing it as mdma. Again goes back to the molly question.

Lots of room for questions and speculation.

Looks like mdmcat has finally got out of its cage.
 
^If you live in the States you could be prosecuted under the analogue law, methylone could be considered an analogue of MDMA and of methcathinone. In any case you will probably be arrested if you are caught with mysterious white powder, in capsules or a bag.
 
I'm glad I received some feedback from peeps in the area. We can almost be sure that we came in contact with the same stuff as it was the only thing like it and in that form going around recently and I know that for a fact. Thanks for the user report Lawlz. I was wondering what the effects of the substance might be because I know I wasn't about to ingest it.
 
Yerg said:
^If you live in the States you could be prosecuted under the analogue law, methylone could be considered an analogue of MDMA and of methcathinone. In any case you will probably be arrested if you are caught with mysterious white powder, in capsules or a bag.
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Bingo.

Plus, since it's a powder, they would probably GC/MS test it, leaving no doubt to what it is. They may be able to catch you on analogue there, I dunno, I'm not a lawyer.
 
I want to step in and say one thing about everyone talking about using a Gas Chrom/Mass Spec to test the drugs to verify what they are.

A little background history before I make my statement, I work with a GC/MS three days a week running analyses on tastes and odors as well as trihalomethanes.

People are very quick to jump to the conclusion that the department is going to go ahead and have a drug analyzed. The costs associated with running samples through these machines are over $75 on average. Unless you are being nailed on big charge, in these economic times, I doubt they are going to waste money testing a small drug bust with advanced equipment.
 
Surely once you take into account the cost of arresting someone and all the man-hours associated with that, and then taking them to court to get a conviction, $75 for a GC/MS test is a pretty trifling amount? Wouldn't a case where it hadn't even been conclusively proven what the substance was be thrown out of court?
 
Yerg said:
Surely once you take into account the cost of arresting someone and all the man-hours associated with that, and then taking them to court to get a conviction, $75 for a GC/MS test is a pretty trifling amount? Wouldn't a case where it hadn't even been conclusively proven what the substance was be thrown out of court?
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That price is for an in-house test. I am sure they have to have it sent out to a private laboratory or to a forensics unit (every police department does not have a GC/MS just lying around, service contracts, such as ours with Varian costs around $10,000 a year just to maintain support) which means the costs increase exponentially. For us to send out one sample in the states will cost us roughly $150 not including shipping and handling. I would presume they would use some other method of detecting what the drug is instead of a GC/MS. You would be surprised with how budget attentive the department needs to be.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that GC/MS was the most available confirmatory test. Without that all they have is a presumptive test, and it seems like that wouldn't stand up all that well in court. Having said that, most people confess before they ever get to court. Interesting, just goes to strengthen my belief that you should say precisely jack shit to LE, and wait until you're in front of a judge.
 
If by available confirmatory test you mean it is easy to obtain then I must say no. The costs associated with having one person alone trained to work on the machine would be too much for one department to take on unless they were running sample after sample. And even in that case, it is usually cheaper as far as cost per test goes to just send it out to another place that has it. As for using tests to confirm what drug a person has, I would venture out and say that just like with cocaine, the LEO carries around field kits to tests for the drugs on site.

But, you are 100% correct in saying that you should not say anything to LEO. You have a right to remain silent, and you should exercise that right to its fullest extent.

Btw, I love your avatar lol
 
By available, I meant cheapest and most accessible. I'm not saying that GC/MS is either of those things, but what is the alternative? I'm sure they do have other presumptive tests like the one for cocaine, I know they have one for cannabis and they probably use Marquis reagent for MDMA and amphetamines and whatnot. The thing is, those presumptive tests establish what a substance probably is, but cannot confirm definitely what it is. I guess that might be enough, I can just imagine a lawyer piping up with "And it is true, is it not, that the results of the test are not conclusive? Is it not true that the prosecution does not actually know with certainty what substance my client was in possession of?" For instance, benadryl is a false positive for the cocaine test. But I suppose a presumptive test would probably be enough to convince most juries.

Thanks, I love it too!
 
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