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Support whilst coming off Subutex. I feel so low.

ControlDenied said:
sorry mate, but it sounds like there's more to your story. i dont believe your wife would leave you for just taking codeine as prescribed, and the nation's laws prevent you for seeing your kids for the same reason -- if it was legally prescribed, how can you be labeled permanently as a drug offender? this makes no sense. in canada to be labelled a drug offender you need to commit a crime in order to obtain drugs, or be caught with a large amount or smuggling/dealing.

i dont see the UK being way stricter than canada either.

not to be a nosy prick or deny you sympathy however. but i just kind of think to get support you need to be truly open.
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Our relationship was a rough one and she used the excuse in court that i was abusing codeine by manipulating my Dr into thinking my illness was worse than it was. I was prescribed codien for around 6 years but I got tolerant to it and it became uneffective, my use got excessive and i abused my Drs trust at my worst i was taking 30 30mg a day. This tactic for her was a last resort but was very effevtive in keeping me from my kids. I sought help myself in November 2010 and today I took my last dose of detox med Lofexidin its now a case of staying sober !!!

AND I WILL FOR MY KIDS COS I LOVE THEM !!! (and to prove her wrong)

PS she didnt leave due to the codeine just used it in court we just stopped loving each other and things got bitter.
 
clubfut said:
PS she didnt leave due to the codeine just used it in court we just stopped loving each other and things got bitter.
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oh okay. that makes sense. that's a lot of codeine though! your doctor was precribing you that much?

opiates really are a bitch.

and so is love gone sour.

all the best!
 
sub detox

I got off Subs using auricular acupuncture. It was provided by the Salvation Army as a relaxation therapy following an EF-5 tornado which struck my hometown on May 22. I didn't know beforehand that it was used in detox, too. I've been off Subs ever since with absolutely no PAWS! It's amazing! And now I have the opportunity to learn these techniques 7/30-8/1.
See www.acudetox.com for more info.
I've been in a revolving door of treatment/addiction for over 30 years & never come across anything so simple & painless.
Rationalrecovery.org's AVRT (addictive voice recognition technique) got me off booze several years ago. It was better for me than, literally, hundreds of 12 step meetings.

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Thought i would give another update. I am now off most meds but sleep is still my major issue. The only things I am taking now are Temazepam (a7day course) to get a full nights sleep and mertrazipine as a kind of anti-depressant (due to stress of family courts as when taking codein I could cope with the stress but off the codien its all become real and very distressing).
I am feeling well and had no or very slight PAWS. I am feeling very positive about my future. I have taken a sabatical from work to learn how to live again but hopefully soon I will start to feel "normal" again.
Thankyou for all the advice and words of support you have all helped me through a very dark time in my life where I felt stuck and lost. I now need to find myself again which is coming slowly but surely.
Once again THANKYOU!!!
 
That's great man. I think you're very fortunate in that you were only on subs for a matter of months. Still, jumping at 4mg is pretty rambo. I stopped at 2mg and had a very physically rough time for at least two weeks. Now I'm at day 34 and physically have essentially recovered - apart from the shits - but am mentally all over the place.

All the best!
 
I'm also tapering off subs and am beyond depressed w/out em. I take Black Seed Oil + piracetam + phenibut+ benzos, and I actually feel motivated, no depression. They're great for after, as well.

Hit me up if you ever need someone to talk to. ^^
 
i kicked a 4 year heroin and dilaudid habit while only being on suboxone for 9 days. it was a brutal existence for a few weeks. i was court ordered to go to a treatment facility where i could not receive as much as a sleeping aid so i didn't sleep at all for 12 days save maybe an hour or so a night. after a couple weeks i finally started getting a couple hours and my sleep is much more manageable today (two months later) but i still have nights where i absolutely can't sleep and can't help but have intense cravings. last night, for instance, i would get an hour or so of sleep and then be up for an hour and this lasted all night til i had to be up at 7am. it definitely tends to be the worst when i have something important or stressful to do the next day, typically something like court.

i'm not sure what to do. keep going as i am which isn't terrible most days but the days when any kind of depression creeps in they can be pretty unbearable. or get medical help. two months isn't a long time but i can't continue forever like this if it's always going to be kind of feast or famine in regards to issues with depression.
 
Can you sue whomever it was that prescribed Suboxone for a codeine addiction?

That's like using a nuclear weapon to kill an ant.
 
doctors just do what those little mass-issued pamphlets tell them to. if it says "use suboxone to detox addict from opioids" they will do it, possibly without even knowing suboxone is an opioid. ive encountered therapists and such who truly did not know methadone was an opiate. when i explained its one of the most powerful painkillers, literally, they gave me that ignorant "staring-down-the-junky" look.

i think more or less, besides using the facilities as you wish, addicts are on their own in this society. you cant really expect this clumsy capitalist society to fix people spiritual and behavioural problems. because as much as the doctors believe this, it is NOT a disease, at least not in the simple physical sense. personally, i think suboxone has promise. but they need to develop a much weaker version of it that is STRONGER on the receptors, if that makes any sense. but as i said, i dont think treating opioid addiction is high on the list of medical priorities in general.

i could go on and on how bad opiate addicts have it, but theres no point. we're not as roudy as drunks, not as psychotic as speed and coke heads. i just dont see why we're considered a race apart, like some kind of sick type of human being, as if addiction marks you as an alien species. that only encourages me to feel and act like a criminal. maybe its as one doctor put it...criminality often causes addiction; not always the other way around. maybe addiction is a lifestyle CHOICE to rebel against society, and not a disease so simply...
 
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