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Support whilst coming off Subutex. I feel so low.

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I have been on subbies since November. I started on a dose of 16mg and I am now on 6mg. I drop 2mg/fortnight but I am feeling the drop extremely bad at the moment. My mood is so low its unreal. My dependancy Dr has put me on diazapam and nitrazapam to help me sleep and feel more comfortable but it dosent seem to be working.

Can anyone suggest someting different (not weed) that may help. I am at my wits end at the moment.

Many thanks.

Jay.
 
Why are you quitting Bupe' ? If you have a pain Dr. Have a discussion w/ him about maybe leaving the door open Just in case. Any good pain Dr. knows it is as good for depression as it is for tapering
I met a 71 yr. old professionall that visits his Dr. once every 6 to 9 months for a small perscription
of Subutex. Its not just a taper med. & my Dr. knows it... If you are abusing it, I could see quitting
but abusing Subutex seems impossible. You can use it as long as you want, if you find an educated pain doctor.
Also...lower doses are usually much better
 
My life went down hill after my wife left with my kids. The court said I was addicted to codeine (prescribed for pain) I came off it immediatly and hit a massive rock bottom. To cope with withdrawal they prescribed Subetex. The plan is now that I am a registered drug user which is keeping me from my kids. I know this seems far fetched but honeslty this is how it is. The sooner I can come off everything the better. I am now on subbies Diazapam and Nitrazapam to ease the drop but they dont seem to be working. I really am at my wits end and miss the kids so much. I have to drive 600 miles a week to see them so at the moment this is not an option as I cannot think straight and I am not the Dad the kids remember.
The courts are being totally non understanding. As far as they are concerned even though the codeine was prescribeed I was abusing it and therefore unfit to see my kids.
I know a lot of you will read this and think there is more to this story than this but this is the whole story. They keep moving the goal posts. Come off codiene you can see them, then you have just substituted codiene for subbies now substituting subbies for benzos I can never win.

WHAT THE FUCK CAN I DO !!!!
 
I think if you can get some advocates on your side about your situation it could help. Do you have a lawyer? It is hard to have different people making the calls about what happens but that is your situation for a while. Other than articulating your conveying the situation you are in to the doctors, the court, or other people who are in a position to make the decisions about your case I don't think there is much you can do.

Many people end up in the system one way or another. The only way out is to go through it. I am very sorry this is happening to you. I hope you find someone that is kind and competent with all the factors involved or that you find a means of successfully self-advocating for those things you need.
 
Enki said:
I think if you can get some advocates on your side about your situation it could help. Do you have a lawyer? It is hard to have different people making the calls about what happens but that is your situation for a while. Other than articulating your conveying the situation you are in to the doctors, the court, or other people who are in a position to make the decisions about your case I don't think there is much you can do.

Many people end up in the system one way or another. The only way out is to go through it. I am very sorry this is happening to you. I hope you find someone that is kind and competent with all the factors involved or that you find a means of successfully self-advocating for those things you need.
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I have a lawyer and so far it has cost £23,500 to get this far. We have sold our home and lost everything once again from pig headed Judges and a self rightuos ex.
 
Is your pain bearable without medication? You can always adjust how fast you drop, a few days isn't going to make a huge difference. The discomfort and low mood are hard to manage without drugs and pain might actually get worse for a while when you quit. Be careful you don't switch your addiction to benzos, the antisocial effects aren't good for family life and I'd say benzos are far more dangerous than opiates. Those antisocial effects are really sneaky too, I could only tell what an asshole I had been for years after I quit for good. Self-centered, cold, shoplifting and aggression, psychotic breaks, permanent memory and impulse control problems. Not worth it. Plus the withdrawal can kill.

There are a couple of good guides here on withdrawal, one had a list of helpful OTC items. Good luck =)
 
might last a while....been 47 days for me and just stopped feeling pretty rough PWD's. Some will still rear their ugly head in the near future Im sure.

You are going to think Im crazy but you need to take large (very large...you will be fine it willnot hurt you) of lopermide and you will be feel a lot better for at least 12-24 hours.
 
Theartofwar spotted it perfectly. You are coming off too fast. I've tapered with subs before plenty of times and can tell you that for sure. You don't drop 2mg like that. Even if your dr makes you do it that way you don't. I saved up all my overprescribed sub so I can taper at the pace I know I need to.

And its a .25mg drop every week. You won't feel anything at all. And it won't be tough. The only reason you're hurting is cause you dropped too much too soon. Taper slower, and you will learn its not hard at all to do.

Also I know coming off codiene must of been hard, but as a general rule of thumb never switch from codeine to subutex in the future. That was a big mistake imo. Codiene should have been easy enough to taper off of. Although now that you're on sub do it the right way. You need to respect your brain and body or it will get very angry at you. Tell your dr no more than .25mg a week. If he refuses, find another dr who knows how to taper suboxone. Thats what I would do, and I would NEVER taper at that pace no matter who tried to make me. Sorry just being honest.
 
Hi guys sorry this is a late reply. I have been back to my doc and we have decided to jump at 4mg of bupe with the help of benzos and lofexidine. I feel ready as i hate the subbies. I will keep you updated how i get on. If I dont get back within a few days i am pretty fucked lol.
 
Well heres the update.

I have jumped at 4mg and I am on my 6th day. I have been prescribed Lofexidine (8pills 0.2mg/day) to help with the withdrawals and it works ace no WD's other than anxiety which has be counter acted with Lorazepam. I am ultra sleepy and have restless legs but take quinine sulphate for the leg thing.
If i knew about Lofexidine i would have jumped at maybe 8mg (but i liked it too much back then lol).

By this week end I should be drug free and starting to lead a "normal" life. WOOP WOOP
 
I'm glad you're feeling better. I'd like to know how you go once you're off the bupe - it can be pretty tough but it sounds like you've got the right meds. Benzos are extremely dangerous - toxic, bad for memory and mood, and addictive - but there is probably nothing more effective for dealing with opiate WD's. IMO they are just a fucking godsend for these situations, so if you've got them, use them!

When I came off bupe and methadone I did it at about your pace and was more or less ok until it stopped. I cut the methadone 10mg weekly and then the bupe 2mg weekly. I don't think it's necessary to make smaller reductions; it depends on how you're feeling.

Also I feel I should note that there is no way to simply 'escape' or eliminate the pain involved in the WD's - you can only decide whether to take it slowly and in small increments, over a much longer period, or quickly and in a more severe way. But the sum will never change.
 
suessmayr said:
I'm glad you're feeling better. I'd like to know how you go once you're off the bupe - it can be pretty tough but it sounds like you've got the right meds. Benzos are extremely dangerous - toxic, bad for memory and mood, and addictive - but there is probably nothing more effective for dealing with opiate WD's. IMO they are just a fucking godsend for these situations, so if you've got them, use them!

When I came off bupe and methadone I did it at about your pace and was more or less ok until it stopped. I cut the methadone 10mg weekly and then the bupe 2mg weekly. I don't think it's necessary to make smaller reductions; it depends on how you're feeling.

Also I feel I should note that there is no way to simply 'escape' or eliminate the pain involved in the WD's - you can only decide whether to take it slowly and in small increments, over a much longer period, or quickly and in a more severe way. But the sum will never change.
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I am totally free of bupe now all out of my system. The diazepam has helped but the lofexidine has stopped all and i mean all physical wd symptoms. Just trying to get into a sleep pattern now as the lofexidine make me sleep alot. I am starting a short course of sleepers tonight as i am up at 3 am most mornings and trying to get back to normal.

Thankyoou all well wishers any questions that i can help with about lofexidine i am only too happy to answer i swear by them.
 
hurtin4certain said:
pwd will be a bitch. stick with it though. took me 45 days to get thro the anxiety. after that I was good. then I relapsed. dont do that.
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When you relapsed, did it put you right back at the start? I would imagine that if a person relapses in the 'right way' - i.e., only once, and moderately - it could almost serve as a sort of transition into sobriety, in the same way that alot of people switch to twice/thrice daily dosing when coming off bupe.
 
Bojangles69 said:
Also I know coming off codiene must of been hard, but as a general rule of thumb never switch from codeine to subutex in the future. That was a big mistake imo. Codiene should have been easy enough to taper off of.
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However, if he was using the codeine illegally or buying them at the store (which you can do in the UK) than switching to Sub is better because the Codeine pills are mixed with NSAIDs. Furthermore, Suboxone is a maintenance medication, Codeine is not.

I worked in the family court system over here in the US. There are laws which require the state to allow you to see your child. I would assume they have something similar over there. However, you need to show that you are willing to work with social services. Have your doctor write them a note explaining how Suboxone works. If they tell you to go to a therapist or parenting classes than do it. You have to understand that for every parent making a legit effort to reunite with their kids, there are 3 parents who basically do not give a shit or simply cannot care for children due to mental illness. (Sad I know)
 
suessmayr said:
When you relapsed, did it put you right back at the start? I would imagine that if a person relapses in the 'right way' - i.e., only once, and moderately - it could almost serve as a sort of transition into sobriety, in the same way that alot of people switch to twice/thrice daily dosing when coming off bupe.
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not quite. its best just to stay off everything. Its amazing how quickly you become addicted again.
 
sorry mate, but it sounds like there's more to your story. i dont believe your wife would leave you for just taking codeine as prescribed, and the nation's laws prevent you for seeing your kids for the same reason -- if it was legally prescribed, how can you be labeled permanently as a drug offender? this makes no sense. in canada to be labelled a drug offender you need to commit a crime in order to obtain drugs, or be caught with a large amount or smuggling/dealing.

i dont see the UK being way stricter than canada either.

not to be a nosy prick or deny you sympathy however. but i just kind of think to get support you need to be truly open.
 
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