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supplements vs food

I have actually had a discussion with my father a few days ago regarding how to take care of our bodies and the proper supplementation for it. My father just turned 65 this year and he is in the best shape of his life. You wouldn't even recognize that he is 65 years old. He never smoked, only drank twice in his life and avoided fatty foods. I mentioned to him what I had been reading online about how people should not rely on supplements and natural food is better. He said "if you are not getting enough vitamins on what you consume daily then where are you going to get it"? This made a lot of sense to me to be honest, not all the food I consume everyday have enough vitamins in them because this will depend on what food I choose to eat. I have a diet rich in healthy food such as fish, vegetables, rice, and chicken and I eat oatmeal and banana everyday. I currently take the following supplements:

Multivitamin - 1 capsule a day
Fish oil - 3 x a day
magnesium - 1 x a day
b vitamin - 1 x a day
vitamin c - 1 x a day

This has been working for me so far. I would also like to mention that I am also currently in a comedown from consuming too much mdma last Dec 2012. I am much better now and this is the reason why I am taking care of my body as much as I can and providing myself with a lot of nutrients for faster healing. You can also try juicing or try herbal supplements. Perhaps you can look at our Herbalism Thread to see if you can try some of the herbs some of us Bluelighter's have tried:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/680794-The-Herbalism-Thread
 
i think multivitamins are mostly a waste of money. the two times iv bothered with them it appears to me a lot of it is just pissed out. shit is expensive too.

there is nothing pill popping can do to compete with a balanced diet and minerals found from natural sources. fresh fish is better than fish oil. vitamin c is better found from citrus fruits. leafy greens and fruit and nuts for magnesium. b vitamin again seafood. the only way i see a supplement competing with expensive over priced supplements is if you are allergic.

I would also like to mention that I am also currently in a comedown from consuming too much mdma last Dec 2012.
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why do you insist on claiming you took mdma when you have previously stated that what you dosed on that eventful night was untested and did not match the effects of mdma? nobody else in the party have the same effects as you? what did you tell me the neurologist told you?
 
^ you missed the point entirely laugh. this table clearly shows you have to EAT A LOT TO GET ALL THE NUTRIENTS YOU WILL NEED AS YOU AGE EVERY SINGLE DAY that its impossible to meet demand. you just said food is better, thats it. sure, of course it is, but can it work long term with its little nutrients in requirement of large amounts daily really keep us going properly ?
 
is this for a healthy natural body or are you wanting to become mr muscle?
this table clearly shows you have to EAT A LOT TO GET ALL THE NUTRIENTS YOU WILL NEED AS YOU AGE EVERY SINGLE DAY that its impossible to meet demand
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are you sure this table is perfect cause from my understanding all this stuff changes every couple years like a few years ago it was all proteins then it changed to being big on carbs than fats then whatever the next fad is. im not sure i believe it is impossible to have a healthy and well balanced diet from eating food. the needs for supplements seems like a marketing ploy to me. maybe its my cynicism taking hold again.
sure, of course it is, but can it work long term with its little nutrients in requirement of large amounts daily really keep us going properly ?
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again what sort of body are you chasing a healthy natural physique or a mr muscles? what exactly do you mean by keep us going 'properly'.

i just feel it is unnatural and from experience it is unnecessary to be eating multi vitamins etc. obviously some people would vastly benefit from supps like people with deficiencies. but for an average normal healthy person if you cant find everything needed from a fresh healthy balanced diet than i am lost confused.

with respect asecin!
 
I personally feel that having food is the appropriate thing then a supplement because food is natural and at the same time has nothing to do with the side effects that is why it should be taken and supplement only if they are needed.


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the more illuminated i have become with supplements, the more disappointed i have become with them.

the only thing that matters with 90%+ of the products is the profit margin.

for example, vitamin b1 or thiamine is supposed to be water soluble (meaning it is easily absorbed, easily excreted and hard to overdose).
However, it is cheaper to make the non water-soluble version, and so it is not sold in the water soluble version in stores and also has a bunch of unwanted fillers that can cause issues of their own. So you are much better off eating kidney beans than taking a b1 supplement. Just one example of MANY.
 
I think this point has been neglected, that the same foods especially fruits and vegetables do not necessarily contain equal amounts of nutrients, depending on numerous conditions.
The common trace mineral depletion in agricultural soils creates plants that may look healthy but are deficient in many nutrients.
Negative environmental factors go right through the food chain, for instance it may be healthier to take 2 fish oil caps than eat 2 fish contaminated with heavy metals.
The nutritional quality of the food you eat is by no means guaranteed.

Broad spectrum multi-vitamins can also be found very cheap and may be more economical than eating additional food to supply a few missing nutrients.
A healthy diet subsidised with the occasional Multi and fish oil just in case seems like a sensible option.
 
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The common trace mineral depletion in agricultural soils creates plants that may look healthy but are deficient in many nutrients.
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this is why organic and home grown is good.
if i was unlucky enough to have to move back to the city i would seriously consider a hydroponic system form my food.
Negative environmental factors go right through the food chain, for instance it may be healthier to take 2 fish oil caps than eat 2 fish contaminated with heavy metals.
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that is kind of contradictory. if contamination was effecting fish wouldnt it effect fish oil? i imagine fish oil comes from fish.. i thought heavy metals were more of an issue for the top of the food chain and larger sea creatures.
A healthy diet subsidised with the occasional Multi and fish oil just in case seems like a sensible option.
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i agree with this :)
 
Ok, that is a misleading info graphic. First of all, some of the selected values are well beyond the RDI. Second, some of the food equivalents aren't even the best choice for getting the most of the nutrient being compared. Third of all, a normal diet consisting of real food will contain enough varied amounts of different nutrients and vitamins that you don't need to go apeshit eating hardboiled eggs for all your selenium. Some days, you won't hit your RDI for everything, but that doesn't mean you will suffer deficiency.
 
Corazon said:
the more illuminated i have become with supplements, the more disappointed i have become with them.

the only thing that matters with 90%+ of the products is the profit margin.

for example, vitamin b1 or thiamine is supposed to be water soluble (meaning it is easily absorbed, easily excreted and hard to overdose).
However, it is cheaper to make the non water-soluble version, and so it is not sold in the water soluble version in stores and also has a bunch of unwanted fillers that can cause issues of their own. So you are much better off eating kidney beans than taking a b1 supplement. Just one example of MANY.
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actually you didnt do much research on thiamine. it is one of the most precious b vitamins and its impossible to get enough from food alone. kidney beans are joke when it comes to getting it. for example, the few foods that do contain large amounts of it, they probably do not give you enough because thiamine is extremely sensitive to heat, cooking and its easily destroyed. any food that might contain even 10% thiamine is usually heated and therefore zero thiamine is ever consumed. it is one of those b vitamins you are very likely to only get enough if deficient from a supplement
 
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that is kind of contradictory. if contamination was effecting fish wouldnt it effect fish oil? i imagine fish oil comes from fish.. i thought heavy metals were more of an issue for the top of the food chain and larger sea creatures.
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You are right certain heavy metals will accumulate in greater amounts in predators than their prey but in this case the predator also happens to be people.

Mercury contamination in fish is a definite health risk, California has warnings in supermarkets about this high mercury content.

Fish oil can also contain pollutants however some contaminants aren't lipid soluble and won't be found in the oil, some varieties are also mercury free, if you wanted to obtain the same amount of EPA and DHA from eating whole fish rather than the oil you would be exposing yourself to a wider variety of pollutants.

If this is a concern avoid liver based oils such as cod or shark liver oil as the liver tends to accumulate larger amounts of POPs.
 
Even if you farm organically at home, supplementation w humic acids can be a good idea! Our home soils aren't as fecund and well-rounded as we think

To answer the question, I used to avoid any pills. But I've become busy and some things have made me feel pretty good.

Now I take spoons of virgin coconut oil. I also take moringa pills and zeolites and fulvic acid. The rest I try to get through a varied diet (lot of foraged greens and mushrooms).
 
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Fish oil can also contain pollutants however some contaminants aren't lipid soluble and won't be found in the oil, some varieties are also mercury free, if you wanted to obtain the same amount of EPA and DHA from eating whole fish rather than the oil you would be exposing yourself to a wider variety of pollutants.

If this is a concern avoid liver based oils such as cod or shark liver oil as the liver tends to accumulate larger amounts of POPs
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A good replacement for fish oil is Krill oil. It contains very little toxins
 
yea fish oils are great for you. im not big into supplements, mainly bc i worked at a gym for like 5 years and learned so much from the trainers and ppl that have studied nutrition all their lives. but pretty much everything is driven by profit as corazon stated. you can get practically everything naturally. btw mackeral and sardines are a great source of omega 3's. plus any extra supplements your body receives are made into waste, you can only have so much at once. plus things that are fat soluble you have to be careful of.

btw i liked "the fail is strong with the post" lol...
 
asecin said:
actually you didnt do much research on thiamine. it is one of the most precious b vitamins and its impossible to get enough from food alone. kidney beans are joke when it comes to getting it. for example, the few foods that do contain large amounts of it, they probably do not give you enough because thiamine is extremely sensitive to heat, cooking and its easily destroyed. any food that might contain even 10% thiamine is usually heated and therefore zero thiamine is ever consumed. it is one of those b vitamins you are very likely to only get enough if deficient from a supplement
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If deficient (for example an alcoholic will often become deficient due to absorption issues) your best bet is to get medical grade water- soluble thiamine. Otherwise it's not really bad to take a B1 store vitamin a couple times a week, but you will not absorb what you wish, and it will not be water soluble.

Your best bet is to consume food like beans that contains B1 regularly and avoid things like alcohol abuse.
 
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