Supercritical Fluid Extraction of DMT?

[fastandbulbous]

I have a friend who claims to have had synthetic dmt. He believes that a plant, when processed a specific, (or usual) way has the potential to yield a product that is just as good as the synthetic. To me this sounds to good to be true. I haven't had the pleasure of the synthetic, so what do I know......

I know this will set the mystical bullshit flowing from some members, but DMT is DMT whether it comes from a plant or is made in a lab. Thing is, stuff from a plant will always contain some other alkaloids such as NMT, 5-methoxy DMT etc dependant upon the species used, but if you refine/separate the alkaloids to isolate DMT then it's just the same as synthetic DMT; so I'm mystified by the 'sounds too good to be true' bit...

 

[vecktor]

butane is not supercritical until it is heated beyond its critical temperature, this is over 150 celcius so implying that the butane extraction is supercritical is pure rubbish. butane is simply acting as an alkane solvent, just like petroleum ether would be or n-hexane or heptane. Using butane has the advantage of being easily removed. but it isn't better beacuse it is supercritical because it isn't. True supercritical fluids are amazing solvents,supercritical water being one of the most amazing solvents I have ever come across, eats almost everything dissolves almost everything.
tetrahydrofuran is irritatingly miscible with water,.

 

[kong]

I agree that dmt is dmt. I was refering to the difficulty of seperating the different alkaloids, and the aparent absense of any method to do so in one of the more popular teks.

I know by running a column one could purify a plant extract to a high degree of purity.

My friend was basically claiming that a popular tek (w/out chromatography) is capable of producing dmt that close enough in purity to synthetic that it is impossible for him to judge the difference.

I am speculating that there is a disernable difference.

"tetrahydrofuran is irritatingly miscible with water" Good to know.

 

[phase_dancer]

butane is not supercritical until it is heated beyond its critical temperature, this is over 150 celcius so implying that the butane extraction is supercritical is pure rubbish.....supercritical water being one of the most amazing solvents I have ever come across, eats almost everything dissolves almost everything.

Thanks; thus my initial question. Supercritical water is amazing. Lower dielectric constant and fewer hydrogen bonds allows most organic compounds and gases to be completely miscible.

Off topic: lately I've been researching a method for converting CH4 (biogas) to H2 with no CO2 emissions. SCW has been looked at, but atm we are favouring a method using catalytic formation that results in carbon depositing on the reusable catalyst (lignite).

 

[cyberpagan]

just do it

going through 50 posts of speculative argument,
why doesn't somebody just try it?

you have the tech and avail.

on a principled basis, seems exactly the same as any polar extraction of tryptamines.
Mushrooms are well-known for good ethanol extractions.

DMT should be no diff.
only here:
1. there's more material to extract
2. the solvent evaporates rapidly.

while 1 may require extra effort, 2 is really an advantage.
many of us don't have the privilege, equipment, space, time or $$ to do complex extrac. Even ethanol extracts take ages to evap, and are dangerous under heat.
the cost of the materials and difficulty of sourcing put many of us at paying $20-40 Australian (say $25US, $20EU) for 1 DMT hit.
often, as well, we're just wanting to find out if a variety is decently active.

butane extrac might be perfect in this situation.
especially since discount stores sell canisters for $3AU (~$2US/1.50EU) each.

 

[Wizzle]

While I can appreciate the will to simplify extractions I hardly think a butane extraction is a better option than the STB tek by noman. It's is really easy and the chems used are safer than butane..

 

[AIRon]

Win?

I checked out this thread because I am looking around everywhere to find out a way to make a smokable version of DMT sans any chemicals in the final product that could seriously damage the body. I am also looking for this way to be extremely fast (a quick extraction). Regular good DMT takes weeks to make with the traditional methods. Strong ayahuasca can be made in < an hour but the MAOI's will make you sick.

So here is an experiment taken from the knowledge I have learned that could work. It still hasn't been attempted yet.

1. freeze mimosa over night to aid in breaking down cell wall
2. blend mimosa into powder
3. either make powder more basic or not but butane extract the damn stuff
4. you will end up with two products, the extraction and the powder still remaining
5. vacuum purge both products or whatever way you want to remove the butane

Theory 1: the extraction contains concentrated DMT and is smokable

Theory 2: the powder remaining has had all fats and oils removed making it easier to make regular DMT

either product is a win

the fats and oils are what makes it take so damn long to make smokable DMT