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Super Size Me and Obesity in Australia

McDonalds do actively get rid of people when they turn a certain age in order to keep the $$$ down - make it so that they have no special skills and can be replaced by monkeys, deliberately have closed any maccas that has become unionised (in the US - not here as far as i know) and helkped create the concept of the unskilled minimum wage job with no security whatsoever. If you get a chance have a read of Fast Food Nation that's already been mentioned in this thread.

I've never been to the USA..
But i'm a slave of the minimum wage..
Detroit, New York and L.A.
But i'm stuck in the UK
 
Dandy raises some good points. WHen I was in my early teens my parents were happy for me to disappear for hours walking the dog, going to the beach, riding my bike etc. I had a lot of freedom to get around and do things, so long as I had a time to be home and they knew roughly where I was. Try finding parents willing to let a young girl do that these days.

A lot of parents are afraid to let their children out of their sight. That, coupled with longer working hours and dual-income families means kids have a lot less time to be out and about.

Is the world really that much more dangerous than it was 10-12 years ago? I doubt it. The media hoopla over paedophiles, abductions etc seems to have overemphaised the dangers to the point of paranoia. I believe the figures show that per head of population the crime rates haven't really increased much at all. The news coverage, on the other hand, has. My neighbours 12 year old daughter can't take her dogs for a walk to the local park on her own, in the day time ina busy area of a good neighbourhood.

So part of the problem is the pace of life: parents relying on fast food for quick meals and not having time to take their kids places/supervise outdoor activities. Partially it's the fear campaigns over-emphaising the dangers of letting your children out of your sight. And partially it's the food companies upping the sugar contents of food: in this "low fat" era they are relyng on sugar to make their products in demand, and yes, they are targeting kids. Take a look at how much sugar is in your average muslie bar. Food is getting sweeter and more calorie laiden, and quite frankly, who has time to read the labels on everything when they shop?

So yes, it is personal responsibiltiy, but it requires a large shift in our society, as well as needing movies like this to make people stop and think about what exactly they are feeding themsleves and their children.

:)Smiley
 
BREAKaBEAT said:


Minimal Slave wages ? You must be joking me. They get base rate in Australia. If you want minimal wages how about taking your hippy loving corporate bashing to Nike who pay their workers $2 a day.

Do you think McDonalds workers get base rates in every country?

I'm sure Nike workers get base rates in Western countries too...
 
Here is an excerpt from an article from last weeks New Scientist Magazine, on obesity, which sums up and backs up a few of the arguements made in this thread...
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Obesity

"Yes" is the short answer to the biggest question on the table: are we eating ourselves to death? There is a growing consensus that people in industrialised nations are overdosing on sugars, fats and salt, leading inevitably to obesity, cardiovascular disease and premature death. What's more, people in many developing countries are following suit.

In Europe over the past 30 years, average daily energy intake has risen by about 300 kilocalories to 3400 kcal, said Robert Madelin, the European Commission's director-general for health and consumer protection. This may not seem much - about two large glasses of regular Coke - but the Micawber-like conclusion is that it is bringing us misery. Already, 10 per cent of Europe's health costs go on obesity.

A mass of evidence shows the dangers we face by eating too much and exercising too little, said Tim Lang, professor of food policy at City University, London. Yet while ministers call on people to listen to health education, other policies point the opposite way: the European Union's Common Agricultural Policy (CAP), for example, pays farmers to churn out fats. "This is a nonsense," said Lang.

Madelin argued that sustained public education on the benefits of healthy eating could make a difference. The food industry would certainly sign up to such a programme, said Martin Paterson of the UK industry body the Food and Drink Federation.

That's all well and good - except the public don't seem to take any notice, said Richard Moody of Manchester Metropolitan University. He has found that even when people accept advice on what they should eat, they don't act on it. "Palatability, convenience and price tend to overwhelm healthy eating decisions," he argued.

For Lang, too much effort has gone on changing public behaviour and not enough on encouraging change within the food industry. Blaming companies for the rising tide of food-related disease is unfair, he said. Since the second world war, the food industry has been told to raise output and cut prices. The real fault lies in the underlying policy.

An entirely new direction is now needed, but what will it be? One route is towards technical fixes. Identify the genes that contribute to diet-related diseases, then give people diets that help them avoid those diseases. This field, called nutrigenomics, is already being heavily funded by industry.

Lang's preferred route is for human well-being to be seen as part of the health of the global ecosystem. "Human and environmental health must be intrinsic to the food system," he said.

But how to encourage industry to move forward? One suggestion is a tax on fat, but Lang said this is a non-starter because fat is difficult to track within foodstuffs. He has a better idea. "McDonalds and Coca-Cola each spend $1.7 billion on advertising every year," he said. So put a tax on advertising.

Madelin also threw down the gauntlet to food companies. He challenged them to allocate hard cash and staff time to encouraging people to eat more healthily. They should join in the work on setting benchmarks for healthy eating, and allow their own performance to be monitored.

Outside the US, litigation against food companies probably won't work. Nevertheless, the global nature of US food companies has meant that court cases against them at home have echoed around the world.

Perhaps the most powerful new force for change has emerged from the finance industry. Two studies last year rated food manufacturers by the unhealthiness of their products. Companies with lots of unhealthy products were rated very low. Pressure from the mainstream stock markets makes companies nervous, said Lang, and this could have a major impact.


- From the article "Hungry for change" (New Scientist vol 183 issue 2456 - 17 July 2004, page 42)

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This quote from later on in the article is also quite poignant as well - "Every time we buy food , our choices shape farms and nature and communities somewhere in the world. It's the most political decision we make and we make it every day."
 
papermate said:
/\/\/\ - does Nike produce anything in Western Countries.

Looks like they might have to sometimes..

My portuguese soccer shirt that my bro brought back for me from euro 2004 was 'Made in Portugal' much to my surprise..
 
I like Macca's new Salads Plus menu... the chicken foldovers are nice, and the grilled chicken salads are great too. I know they're doing it to save their reputation but I don't see KFC (or anyone else for that matter) making any effort whatsoever to address the problem.

So I applaud it. All cynicism about motives aside, it's a GOOD step.

I agree with smileyfish - fast food has its place but we need to get our kids active again. When I was a kid I'd disappear for hours riding my bike around... I'd go on "exploring" trips with just a backpack and sandwich and not come back until dinnertime... climb trees... jump on my trampoline.... hit a tennis ball against the wall. I was still a chubby kid though *shrug* but lord help me if I'd had a computer =D

My brothers now spend all their time either on the computer, on playstation or playing fantasy role-play games. Their minds are quick and their bodies are slow.

Kids are eating out of boredom, eating mindlessly, eating far too much for the level of activity they're undertaking.

I hear they're trying to introduce compulsory PE into schools again..... maybe "compulsory" isn't the best idea but some encouragement is definitely needed. Make sports fun again. Promote active games, like hula hoops and cricket sets. Government-sponsored sports programs like Kanga Cricket - anyone remember that? Kids need to learn the joy of movement again, then a burger here or there won't matter so much.

At the same time as this, a campaign in schools promoting healthy food choices is a must. Kids will ALWAYS find a way to eat junk if they want to... but if you make it "cool" to eat nutritious stuff (hard PR brief, I know) from a very, very early age it will go some way to combating the inevitable advertising they'll be bombarded with.
 
I think in 20 years or so you will be able to tell those who ate maccas and those who didnt.

People would eat shit if you made it taste good, smell better and packaged it.
 
maccas suks

the other day i got a vanilla thickshake and i swear it tasted like it had grease in it. a couple of weeks prior to that one of my mates got chips and they literally tasted like soap.

HAIL SUBWAY
 
^ Subway sucks too...

My little sister works there and they force all the employees to do a traineeship so they can pay them less and get money off the government but they never actually get any of the traineeship work done.
 
oh i agree that subway is another evil soulless coroporation, i know a girl that had to work for like 3 weeks for free because she was "training" not "working" although its the exact same thing.

i only like subway because in my opinion it tastes alot better than maccas and i can actually see it being made so you don't get all these little rumours going around
 
*clap clap*

i agree nando's is damn good, but my b/f and i were debating is nando's really fast food or a restaurant chain?

and i think maccas is doing a really good job promoting the health food stuff, i think that their chicken focaccia and lean beef burger looks really nice....i will try it one day! its just bad luck that whenever im actually in the mood to get maccas i want a big greasy cheesburger *hmmm*
 
guys, please try to keep this on topic, or it may have to be locked.

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i read another editorial in the age the other day (i think that's where this came from, anyway! :)), which said that part of the problem could also be the ever-increasing amount of homework which children are receiving.

being forced to complete hour(s) of it each night/week, their leisure time is reduced, and they are understandably able to dedicate less time to activities. not only that, but i would presume stress and fatigue levels would increase, making physical activity as relaxation a less compelling option.

i've always believed that school is school and that kids should be taught as much as possible there, with homework kept to a minimum. much as a result of this (and i guess laziness), i did very very little homework all through primary and high school. i still passed, because i tried to pay attention (sometimes) in class. regardless, if better structures were put in place, everybody could learn everything that is necessary with homework levels kept fairly minimal.

thoughts?
 
i watched 60 Minutes yesterday and they had a report on some "Stomach Bypass" surgery.

the whole obesity issue and blaming it on tv, or maccas is a crock of shit. parents are just looking to pass the buck and hold responsible large companies for the growing obesity in this country.
like up all night said, your weight is your responsibilty. no one is stuffing food down your throat.

same goes for violence, and early adolescence in children...kids wanting to have sex at 12 years old.
sure, the media is partly to blame cos they dont help in any way...but its still up to the parents to educate their kids into healthy eating habits.
 
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