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sugar crash worse than cocaine comedown

kailinu

kailinu

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I'm not sure Healthy Leaving is the most appropriate forum for this kind of topic, so please mods move my post around to your little heart content.

The title says it all : I can go on small sugar binges (like ingesting one 250g bag of fizzy coca gummy bottles in 2 hours). The morning after I always feel horrible. I'm highly anxious and so depressed that I normally cannot get out of bed before pm. But I usually go on these binges on Friday or Saturday nights so never had to call in sick. I know what it does to me, but sometimes I cannot resist the compulsion to buy a bag and eat it in all in one evening session: it's simply everywhere for me to buy.

Cocaine comedown in comparison is a walk in the park: apart from the fiendishness I simply don't come down off it, I just go to sleep one hour after the last bump/line and wake up feeling wonderful (provided I slept enough ah!).

Has anyone else ever noticed that. FYI, I'm Bipolar type II and wonder if that could play a role in it.
 
I don't get this with sugar... but a caffeine crash is by far the worst comedown I've ever experienced, and for an unbelievably small "high". I actually feel pretty refreshed after amphetamine or cocaine.
 
Wandering Girl said:
I don't get this with sugar... but a caffeine crash is by far the worst comedown I've ever experienced, and for an unbelievably small "high". I actually feel pretty refreshed after amphetamine or cocaine.
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I must agree, caffeine for all its innocence has sometimes made feel worse then a 4 day meth binge comedown. Not usually but a few times. My tried and tested solution for any stimulant comedown however is lots of beer. Never fails.
 
Lol yea right. maybe you have a bigger health problem, not to mention your 'diet' is terrible, and with bp it is wise to avoid cocaine and eat properly.
 
I don't know about sugar, sugar crashes suck but I'd say most recreational stimulants have a worse comedown. Caffeine on the other hand has the worst comedown out of any stimulant I've taken, and that includes 5 day MDPV binges. Really nasty stuff for me. Dirtiest stimulant in terms of side effects for me personally. The only real plus about caffeine for me is that it's hard for me to get any sort of psychosis with it.
 
Quality cocaine has no comedown.

If you are experiencing such negative effects then seek medical attention instead of asking a bunch of random people with no medical training.
 
Sounds like you body is overcompensating for the massive amounts of sugar by producing high levels of insulin. Since sucrose (simple table sugar, what most candy is primarily made of) only provides a short term boost in your glucose levels the high levels of insulin are causing the blood sugar to drop lower than normal. Your body doesn't know what is providing the high glucose levels so it ends up putting out too much insulin and then the sucrose gets used up real quick, the excess insulin then sucks down your glucose levels to under the normal range.

Its like when an insulin dependent diabetic takes their morning insulin and doesn't eat a healthy carb (wheat, rice, flour based ones) but rather has just candy, so mostly sucrose. They give themselves insulin, like a non diabetics pancreas does naturally for them, this keeps their blood sugar down @ a normal level until the sucrose depletes too rapidly and their blood sugar crashes hard, making them feel ill, appear intoxicated and sometimes go unconscious.

More sugar in the morning is the obvious answer to feeling better. But rather than getting it in forms of candy and sweets, eat a grain or rice based meal to provide long term "fuel" for glucose production. This type of sugar binging has some links to increased risk of type 2 diabetes, so it would be best to avoid doing it.
 
^I thought a large amounts of sweets are made from fructose? I may be wrong, but it's interesting regardless especially since I am learning about this in school. Is it fructose that the body cannot convert into glucose? Therefore your body converts it into adipose tissue?
 
brutus said:
Quality cocaine has no comedown.
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I beg to differ!

I finally had a chance to try some, and while it was nice enough for a short while, it definitely had somewhat of a comedown.

The only only stims I've tried that have literally zero comedown are 2-FMA and the *afinils. Dexedrine, Vyvanse and low doses of Meth come close, but still have one.
 
RTrain said:
Sounds like you body is overcompensating for the massive amounts of sugar by producing high levels of insulin. Since sucrose (simple table sugar, what most candy is primarily made of) only provides a short term boost in your glucose levels the high levels of insulin are causing the blood sugar to drop lower than normal. Your body doesn't know what is providing the high glucose levels so it ends up putting out too much insulin and then the sucrose gets used up real quick, the excess insulin then sucks down your glucose levels to under the normal range.

Its like when an insulin dependent diabetic takes their morning insulin and doesn't eat a healthy carb (wheat, rice, flour based ones) but rather has just candy, so mostly sucrose. They give themselves insulin, like a non diabetics pancreas does naturally for them, this keeps their blood sugar down @ a normal level until the sucrose depletes too rapidly and their blood sugar crashes hard, making them feel ill, appear intoxicated and sometimes go unconscious.

More sugar in the morning is the obvious answer to feeling better. But rather than getting it in forms of candy and sweets, eat a grain or rice based meal to provide long term "fuel" for glucose production. This type of sugar binging has some links to increased risk of type 2 diabetes, so it would be best to avoid doing it.
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Nice post, food for thought (about my dietary habits). I ate cake for breakfast/lunch today and after that I was asked to taste the fondant of a cake. It was grossly sweet. I got tired 1 hour after eating the cake/fondant and laid down for a while and later I realized I had pretty high BP. Must have been the "insulin rush" I guess. Note : Eating pure sugar is dumb. :!

tweex said:
The only only stims I've tried that have literally zero comedown are 2-FMA and the *afinils. Dexedrine, Vyvanse and low doses of Meth come close, but still have one.
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Perhaps it is because 2-FMA and X-afinil do not provide a high, whereas the other mentioned substances do. If you take doses of Dex/Vyvanse/Meth that low, that they are equivalent to a functional dose of 2-FMA (I'd say 1/3rd for Dex), you won't get a significant comedown either. Moreover I think, that the comedown on 2-FMA is just very delayed (personal experience). I guesstimate, it has a longer overall (!) half-life than even Meth (because of the metabolites). Just speculation, but your points as well.
 
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I guess then that I must have really good quality cocaine and really bad sacharose/glucose quality gummy bottles (the brand name is Haribo)!

I think it could be insulin-related but I would think that an insulin crash would happen within 2-3 hours, not 12 hours later and lasting at least a couple of days. I would rate it as half as bad as a red wine hangover.

Generally though I would say I have a pretty good diet, with a lot of green vegetables, mainly low glycemic index foods (I try to keep a tab on that), no soda (light or whatever), only drink water, only white meat, lots of small fishes (also fish oil caps)... But this thing with sugar feels like relapsing on a drug (the unmanageable craving, the compulsion, feeling remorseful after the binge). It also seems to be related to my mental state (it happens a lot when I'm depressed, never otherwise). And I noticed that fluoxetine in dose over 40mg seems to totally kill that compulsion.
 
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Can't say I have ever had a sugar crash that I've noticed, or a caffeine crash. Though to be honest I never had a come down off of any drug aside from speed, though that is most likely due to a lack of sleep. Cocaine I just feel fresh as a daisy the next day.
 
Yeah, I also agree with you; caffeine seems to have one of the worst comedowns compared to other Stimulants , or use of caffeine with other drugs will extremely have an awful comedown.

Anyone know why?. Thanks !
 
IMO the terrible aspects associated with the come down and "hangover" off coke are to due with the nonsense that people use to TRY and get over this brief period.. lots of booze and benzos will make you feel like absolute shit esp in combo with coke and IMO dont make it any quicker.. sleep, exercise, vitamins, and food.. good hard sex, an amazing breakfast, and a good sleep= almost back to normal IMHO and if you wake up feeling off a little more exercise and you will feel so good you will be ringing the ladies keeper again.
 
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