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"Suburban Junkie" Phenomenon: Going to Rehab = Declaring Street Bankruptcy?

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Has anybody else observed the phemonenon where a junkie will be washed of all of their "street debt" upon going away to rehab?

I have seen this happen a few times, and I personally have let a few small debts slide after the person went away to rehab. I mean, it's kinda weird to ask someone that just got out of rehab to pay up for the 2 bags that they ripped you off for, especially if they are still clean. I think that this phenomenon feeds into some junkies rationalizing their actions when pulling the "I'll be right back" after you hand them some money to go cop some bags for you, since most of the time they are telling themselves that they are at the end of their run, and are going to be going to rehab soon so they might as well rip everybody off once before going, since they are about to pull the junkie version of declaring backruptcy by means of entering into rehab.

Now some of them definitely do this for way too long and they end up beaten or in jail (or both) before they make it into a rehab facility, but many of them are truly at the "end of the road" when they decide to start ripping people off, and it seems that many of them get away with it. I've only been ripped off by like 3 people, and each of them ended up in either rehab or jail, at which time I stopped pursuing them for their debt. One of them had their facebook wall blown up with people talking shit to them about ripping them off, but I never fed into that nonsense because doing so would be equivalent to saying "I gave this person money for drugs, and they did not give me said drugs," which lets the rest of the people viewing the post know that you are a junkie as well. The person ended up going to jail, and someone that had just gotten out of the same jail actually posted on the persons wall replying to someone asking where the kid was, saying that they saw him in jail and he had gotten his ass kicked several times by some people in there that he had ripped off on the outside. Once it was known that the kid got locked up, the messages suddenly stopped being posted, as if the "Department of Junkie Treasury" had suddenly relieved this person of their street dept to all other junkies.

Basically the same thing happened to another junkie acquaintance that ripped a bunch of people off before entering into rehab. This person never ripped me off, but I was one of the last people left that he was still on good terms with before going away, and he was hiding out in an undisclosed location so that he could safely rip off a few last people before going away, while the rest of the people after him did not know his whereabouts. What further confirms my theory is that recently (a few months after he got out of rehab) when I asked him about someone that was talking shit about him for ripping him off, he replied "oh, that was from before I went away to rehab," as if it no longer counted since he started a clean slate upon his discharge from rehab.

Obviously with certain dealers this will not fly, and the person will have to watch their backs so that said people will not find them after getting out, but a lot of fellow junkies seem to back off with their pursuit of lost funds at that time. That is why I refer to this as a suburban junkie phenomenon, since most real dealers are from the city, so the "Department of Junkie Treasury" seems to have limits to its jurisdiction, which end at city lines. I feel like the 12 steps of NA need to be ammended to include this, or possibly reword step 9 to go from saying "Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others" to instead say "Made direct amends to such dealers wherever possible, except when they are fellow junkies from the suburbs."

Does anybody agree or disagree with this, or have you observed something similar?
 
Well, personally I've never been so lucky. But I go to rehab every six to eight months.
Back in my harder darker days, people fresh outta rehab are... Well easy targets.
They haven't been high in awhile, and get fucked up real easily.
I could overlook a twenty or two if it meant we were gonna have sex and you were gonna blow all your money within two or three days.
But this is with meth, and meth makes people a little depraved and greedy. Especially where money/sex are involved.

I take it you're referring to heroin.

Either way, as far as N.A. goes I've oftentimes heard it rephrased "except when to do so would injure them or others or yourself". Because a lot of people go in to recovery genuinely concerned about things like "should i pay my dealer back"? Even when the obvious answer is no.
 
Interesting thread...

I've known people to do this, rip off all their connects and their dealers before going away to rehab or prison. I never quite understood it, but I suppose that it might help one to stay clean after leaving rehab or prison. (If you've ripped off all your dealers and connects, then once you get out, you'll have no one to turn to should you think of relapsing -- or, it will at least make acquiring drugs a little more difficult to do.)

I've also known dealers to forgive one's debt, but if I were a dealer, man, that shit would not fly with me. It means a lot to me that my dealer trusts us enough to not hesitate whenever we ask for a front; I wouldn't want to break that trust, and I wouldn't want there to be any bad blood.

I have one friend who has ripped off not one but two different dealers. The first she ripped off for something like three bundles (30 bags), and the second she ripped off for nearly two bundles (something like 17 bags). It pisses me off that one of these dealers has forgiven her debt and will still serve her whenever she comes around; I mean, hell, I work hard for my money and I pay for all of the drugs I do, so why should anyone get a freebie like that?
 
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ha one of my past friends did this exact trick to me. when i was first getting into the opiate game, and diving in to deep for my own good, this guy was my running mate. we would meet up everyday whenever the last person would wake up and immediately start looking for some pills. he was always strapped for cash more than i was at the time, so i'd spot him on occasion to have a person to get high all day with. well he got worse into it than i did, and would be wayyy sicker than me every morning until we would score, and he turned into a full-out junky. forging checks, pawning all his belongings, etc. one day i spotted him for a few opana 40s, and next think i knew he was ignoring all my calls and texts. next time i heard from him, he was on his way to rehab but would "get me back" as soon as he got out. well long story short, hes out and back into opiates and never repaid me. i don't hang out with him anymore, and would never even want to put myself through the trouble of heckling him about the money honestly.
 
It's funny you mention this tommyboy, and I've noticed the same thing. Being from NYC, I wonder if we know the same schemers.

I have to admit, that when I was younger, and more self centered, I did my fair share of dirt when I was at the end of my rope (the first time-dont IV coke kids!). I never beat someone for more than thirty dollars, but I had the desperation. Sure enough I was landed with the ultimatum "get out of the house, or go to rehab", and like any other middle class white kid from brooklyn, I chose to go to rehab to "cool off". Needless to say, when I got back (six months later!), my debts seemed to have been erased. I had not only ripped off aquaintences trying to cop a few bags, but my own drug dealers as well, selling them broken electronics and other damaged goods. I don't know if they forgot, but when I started using again, these dude's acted like it never happened, and I sometimes wonder if they just sold off the damaged gear to some other poor sucker...

Anyway, I recently ran into this one person that I had beat for thirty dollars when I was nineteen, at my methadone clinic no less. I apologized to her and plan to pay her back once I can actually afford it (because I really am that broke right now). Surprisingly she took it rather well, she was more concerned with how I was doing, and the whole experience was pretty redeeming feeling, as I had been avoiding this girl out of guilt for about three years.

I guess I do have some beliefe in Karma. As a young heroin addict I got beat a lot, and in turn, I ended up beating even less connected individuals than myself out of desperation. I made a few lame attempts to track down the dishonest middlemen that fucked me over, but even when I found them, I often just ended up forgiving them and smoking a few cigarettes with them. When it comes to drugs, people will do things that they sometimes do NOT want to do, and it doesn't matter what kind of socio-economical backgrounds they come from... Once your strung out and desperate, it's very easy to do things that once seemed unimaginable. I realize not everyone may have gotten to this point with their addiction, but some people can handle sickness better than others, and it really has nothing to do with will power or self respect. As much as I may hate some of these junky's at the time, I ultimately just feel compassion, and if they get clean, I'd be happy for them (though I'd still kind of want my money back)
 
Yeah I've seen people do this.... I guess they do it because they think they will get away with it or they just want to burn bridges (so they can legit get clean). Yet again when most people go to rehab they have hit rock bottom and I guess really it comes to the point where you say what do I have to lose? Luckily no one has burned me over this matter and what not but I've seen people I know do it to others.
 
Ive seen it happen and done a little of it myself. Right before my first trip to rehab I ripped off my only heroin connect thinking that would force me to get clean. He actually called me like a month later saying not to worry about it and to come back down. But I had already scored a better connect in rehab. Its funny but that first trip to rehab pushed me so much deeper into the lifestyle.
 
Its a dirty game all around...

Do dealers actually think the people they sell to are their friends??? They take addicts' money, feed their addictions, and make them wait around all day when they are trying to get hooked up.

Of course they are going to get burned the first opportunity that presents itself.
 
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Ive only never repaid one drug debt, and only because the dealer went to jail before I could repay a front.

Ive had a friend burn me over a 75mcg patch. I am still pissed about it because HE called ME to tell me he had it and was dropping it by, only to stand me up and then avoid my phone calls.

I havent seen this phenomenon but I would imagine most people are gonna say 'fuck it' rather than possibly catch an assault charge over a hundred dollar or less debt. and I would never let anyone get into me more than that. did it once (with work) and got burned, learned my lesson.
 
Its funny but that first trip to rehab pushed me so much deeper into the lifestyle.
Yeah, the same thing happened to a person I knew... They went in snorting dope and then when they left they started shooting cause someone in rehab taught them. Weird how things work sometimes.
 
Dealers want people fresh out of rehab to realpse. They profit from it. If the only thing that is stopping someone from relapsing on their product is that person's unwillingness to pay back a debt, they're probably going to forgive the debt to get things rolling again. They will take a small loss now if it is to be offset by a sequence of future cash inflows. Or at least smart dealers who think in terms of making money and not with their own ego. A similar argument holds for "middlemen."
 
Dealers want people fresh out of rehab to realpse. They profit from it. If the only thing that is stopping someone from relapsing on their product is that person's unwillingness to pay back a debt, they're probably going to forgive the debt to get things rolling again.

Damn that's a really good point, and it makes a lot of sense now that I think about it.
 
Nope, I went to rehab and I still owe some friends money from drugs. I don't think it should expire either. If I had owed someone a bag of weed, I'd still give him the money that the weed would've cost me.
Okay, I didn't complete the rehab programme, I went there willingly to avoid alot of bullshit (Issues with family etc.) so I could leave when I wanted to. I still detoxed at home for a month and a half though.

Meh, atleast it was good for one thing.. Cleansing my body and getting rid of excess tolerance. :\
Tolerance to every drug besides benzos and tramadol is still very low. But then again those were my DOC before I went to rehab too. Benzo tolerance used to be off the charts though, now it's just "pretty high". I CAN get by with 10mg valium/day, I usually take 20-30mg though. No way I could've done that 2 months ago. I took atleast 100mg+kpins+bromazepam+xanax+ativan/day back then. I smoke alot less weed too.
 
Sure I made a few lame attempts to track down the dishonest middlemen that fucked me over, but even when I found them, I often just ended up forgiving them and smoking a few cigarettes with them.

Haha just wanted to quote that. Thats halarious and i probably would have done the same thing! Like i want my money back, but i am just to peaceful and dont want any trouble so fuck it ha...i imagine that this is the average bluelighter.
 
never have i seen that, i should move to your town, cop 10 grams of dope, flip it and go to rehab. i'm from a small, somewhat ghetto city though, maybe more affluent communities have people giving out charity dope or something.

personally the whole fronting phenomenon baffles me, i never front (i'm not a drug dealer though so noone asks me) or get fronted shit. i don't understand why dealers do it, it ends up being a world of bullshit ALWAYS from what i've seen.
 
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personally the whole fronting phenomenon baffles me, i never front (i'm not a drug dealer though so noone asks me) or get fronted shit. i don't understand why dealers do it, it ends up being a world of bullshit ALWAYS from what i've seen.

if its someone youre close with and theyre in a bad spot financially it can be a way to help them get back on their feet.

The problem is when you do it for people you arent close to (or you think wont fuck you over)
 
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