Opioids Substitute for new formula of opana Er

[melawren]

I like to snort my pain meds and really like my opanas. I've read the threads and experienced the goo and I'm sick of it. What would be the closest drug buzz to get? What should I ask from my doctor? I currently receive 60 30 mg.Opana ERs a month plus 120 oxys 15mg. a month. She just lowered my oxys last month. She said I was taking too much medicine! I'm thinking then why did you prescribe it, lol??? Anyway, what can I snort that will mae me happy like the opanas?I mostly take my drugs as directed except I snort them. I'm in literal pain from an accident. A shattered pelvis that didn't heal correctly. Anyway, probably too much info for a simple question. Thanks for your input. BTW-illegal drugs are not the answer. I have to go through medicaid for my meds, I'm broke. And no comments about that either-K?

 

[tricomb]

Hey Lawren,

I highly recommend that you don't just snort powdered pills, the free particles have been linked to severe health complications. Snorting Opana ER has been linked to silicosis!!

I'm not going to touch on the subject of abuse since we are not here to help you get any specific medication from a doctor, let alone one intended for abuse. However, as a fellow chronic pain patient, I will tell you what I've told other's who are finally ditching Opana for a better alternative. I think that switching to Morphine ER is the best option analgesia wise. You can keep the oxy IR 15mgs or switch them for MS IR 30mgs.

I'm assuming your in the United States, so the Oxycodone ER (OxyContin) formulation that's currently flooding the market is no good. We really aren't left with many other options. There's hydromorphone (Dilaudid) however it is only supplied in an instant release form, which has drawbacks.

 

[melawren]

Thank you for your reply but can you tell me the drawbacks of duiladid and does it coe in pill form?

 

[tricomb]

Yes Dilaudid comes in 2mg, 4mg, and 8mg instant release tablets, they are really small and are infamous in the drug abusing community when IV'd however I must warn you that IVing hydromorphone will result in a strong rush, but not much "high" or analgesia after, making it a less-than-desirable pain killer. It's called the "crack of opioids" for a reason, and your tolerance will rapidly increase.

I do not recommend you go with the Dilaudid route, Morphine is the gold standard narcotic opiate analgesic and I think you would do much better on that.

 

[Rabbit]

Just a note that snorting those morphine pills ain't such a great idea either.

Like you I have what I call a "snorting fetish" when it comes to opiates. I've snorted grams and grams of fillers in my time and I'm here to tell you they are going to start causing you issues in the long term. I've also discovered that the "rush" I get from snorting most pills is mostly psychological.

For example those Oxy's you're snorting are actually a bit less effective nasally, and in addition to that they wear off much sooner if you use that ROA. Taking them as directed (orally) might take a little bit longer to kick in and peak but you're rewarded with a longer duration and avoiding any health complications associated with inhaling the fillers in the pill (which never come back out of your lungs).

What I had to do was ween myself away from snorting. Start taking your pills orally (crush them if you wish) and maybe keep one or two around for snorting during the course of the day. Eventually you cut the ones you're snorting out and just start taking them orally with the rest. You may be like me and snort something every now and again, but at least you're not blowing multiple pills in one sitting anymore.

I did long term damage to my nose and lungs by snorting all that useless crap over the years. Trust me when I say it isn't worth it, for the damage I did I might as well have been IVing instead.

 

[wrxya33]

Yes Dilaudid comes in 2mg, 4mg, and 8mg instant release tablets, they are really small and are infamous in the drug abusing community when IV'd however I must warn you that IVing hydromorphone will result in a strong rush, but not much "high" or analgesia after, making it a less-than-desirable pain killer. It's called the "crack of opioids" for a reason, and your tolerance will rapidly increase.

I have to disagree on the "Crack of opiates" If anything is super short acting and the "Crack of opiates" its in my opinion Fentanyl but hydromorphone is definitely the next shortest acting.

Now to the question if you want to snort your meds all thats left really is get your oxy upped to the 30mg IR tabs or hydromorphone. Everything else has had its formula changed. Which in my opinon is so stupid because all that is doing is turning the world into herion addicts and causeing much more OD deaths. Since you never know the dosage of heroin in a bag. Where at least when abusing pain meds you know the MG you are taking every time you do it. Not saying people dont OD on pills but its more your fault then when ODing from heroin.

Or you could go through the trouble in makeing your opana or new formula oxys for that matter more suited for snorting with the many available methods talked and explained on this sight. Other then that your only other option is selling your pills and getting heroin. If you happen to live on the east coast or have a connect for powdered snortable heroin on the west. Because i have been told powdered heroin is very scarce on the west coast but its all i have ever seen on the east. I have never seen tar heroin which im happy about because even after 3 years of Pill addiction and now 2 years of heroin addiction i have never tried a needle and really have no desire ever to. It just seems so crazy to me to have to inject myself with a drug multiple times a day just to get high when snorting is so much easier and less labor intensive. Yeah it may be less effective and cost efficient but its the lesser of 2 evils.

 

[tricomb]

Woah, they dont need to sell their pills for heroin thats horrible advice.

And what methods on this site make Opana or OxyContin more suitable for snorting? As far as I know there is no safe effective way of beating either of the new formulation.

The very best results from oxycodone come from oral dosing. Not snorted, not IV'd, nothing besides oral is necessary.

I suggested morphine ER because taken orally it is a highy effective narcotic, by far the most superior analgesic we have available. It doesn't have the best oral BA but it does just fine despite extensive first pass metabolism. I wasn't suggesting anyone snort anything.

 

[-Guido-]

It just seems so crazy to me to have to inject myself with a drug multiple times a day just to get high when snorting is so much easier and less labor intensive. Yeah it may be less effective and cost efficient but its the lesser of 2 evils.

When you are snorting 10 bags in a row to get high for a mere 30 minutes it won't seem like a crazy idea. I said the same thing, every heroin addict has when they were snorting, and they all ended up picking up the needle. Quit while you are ahead.

 

[melawren]

Thank you for all the advice. as far as illegal drugs-heroin-I've never touched it. I'm afraid I'll like it too much so I don' go there. I'm not sure what my doc will do. She doesn't like 'recommendations" from her patients. I think I would like to try the Exalgo for extended elease and then ty too get my oxys back up to 30's. She just ut me on 15s last mont. She said I was taking too much medication, and I'm thinking well you're the one tht put me on it! I like having an extended release for the day, then snort my oxy's wheneve I want. I will do up to 10 in a day so they don't last long! I was also snorting my nightime dosage of Opanas whenever too but that new plastic sucks the big one! I know snorting isn't good but I don't want to shoot it. I don't even want to know how, lol. I have a very high tolerance for opiods. I make it though my pain stricken day with them. Thanks agin. If anyone has some other ideas please let me know.


Peace out and be pain free....

 

[Gen. Concensus]

My Doc, she's the same way cut me back to 4 30mg oxy IR from 4 Opana (not new formula) + 6 oxy ir which ws prescribed by another PMP, I f...ing lived thru that...and then my husband gets caught with guess what in his system. Thief, anyway...all of a sudden she is like IR is too much in your system at one time. I've been a chronic pain patient for 3 years too, had to slow WAY down on snorting! The Mod is right, it will catch up to you...Anyway, I don't judge! But now she's got me on Opana ER and 10/325 oxycodone. Say good=bye liver, ...she suggested Methadone, I'm like your kidding right? I saw the subject and thought I could find an extended release medication that worked, unlike Opana ER, which does not work for me! I tried BL Wikki and could not find a classification or Opana ER listed. Thanks for the advice and will stick to just reading, again 8(

 

[bronson]

^ We can't offer you advise on what to say to your doctor in order to get the medication that you feel you need. Since you're new here, just so you know it's in breech of the BLUA and the forum rules for OD.

That's said, the suggestion of Methadone does seem a bit extreme. About the best we can offer is just to talk to your doctor honestly and hope that they are understanding.

All the best, bronson.

 

[Kid Amine]

There's hydromorphone (Dilaudid) however it is only supplied in an instant release form, which has drawbacks.

Not quite. There is Exalgo, which is time release Dilaudid, and it's available in 8,12 and 16mg strengths in the US. It's MEGA expensive w/o insurance, but medicaid/medicare does cover it.

The drawbacks of dilaudid is that is has a relatively short half live, low bioavailability when taken as directed (eaten) and super watched since it's a drug of choice for abuse. Telling people you have it could lead to robberies, break ins, all kinds of unwanted attention, so I suggest if you get them, you keep that info to yourself. You can insufflate the IR tabs, Exalgo cannot be since it dries like super glue and cant be crushed fine enough to snort. and if you are tempted to go the needle route, a huge supply of dilaudid is about the worst thing you can have on hand.

Personally, I would push for just the oxy and more of it in IR form. It has a decent half life and like 90% bioavailability when eaten - no need to snort, plug, inject, etc. ofc that is also a well sough after drug, so if you get those, dont share that info with anyone.

You could also try for fentanyl patches, they cannot be snorted and are generally, tho not totally, abuse proof. and they work for, on average, 3 days at a time, which is great for chronic pain. The main drawback is if the patch comes off (if you have night sweats or do a lot of physical labor), they never adhere right again, and heat can lead to some dose dumping.

Im about to retire from here, maybe post once in a while, because opiates simply do not kill my pain anymore. I get more relief from a crapload of motrin, heating pads and a good massage than I can from nearly any opiate. and my addictive personality def doesnt need to be fucking with opiates AT ALL. Im already thru the physical detox and feeling better than when I was all but doped up to the point of anasthesia, and NO DOC in the world is going to give you enough meds to put you into that kinda state every day. Really tho, and I know this is off topic, is all the bs that comes with opiates, and I'll leave that up to you all to know what Im talking about. Peace out, gl with your doc, and be good to yourselves BL'ers.

 

[TyLannister]

"I've also been a chronic pain patient for 3 years, i had to cut WAY back on snorting!"

I dont judge either, but few things.
1) Theres a sort of stigma attached to methadone, fine i get that. But methadone, is IMO one of the best PAINkillers there is. I really dont see how you view that as extreme when you are crushing up your pills to snort.

2) I wont sit here and say you dont have pain, i did that last week n i was wrong (sorry tricomb). But i think you just need to really ask yourself if your MAIN goal is to reduce pain (why they exhist) or to get high. Not judgin either way, but these types of posts again this is just my opinion but i think they can be a lil insulting to CPP.
At this point in the game, having a huge tolerance, snorting your medication, etc. believe it or not n not to sound harsh, but you kinda screwed urself over there. Even your lowered dose is still a pretty good amount of narcotics for analgesia.
Again, not judging...but maybe start looking at all the other things that arent drugs to help your pain out. Anyways i went off subject, my main point was my first one, methadone is actually a very effective tool in pain management COMBINED with a whole buncha diff things in that tool box for pain.
Have a good one.

 

[Drewnicholson93]

Well ask the doctor if the 15 mg oxycodone can be replace with a 5 mg or 10 mg opana IR for breakthrough pain. That way you will still have opana's. Your new ER opana could be replaced with a fentanyl patch or ER hydromorphone 8 mg.

 

[Kid Amine]

1) Theres a sort of stigma attached to methadone, fine i get that. But methadone, is IMO one of the best PAINkillers there is.

Depending on where you live, there can be an enormous stigma attached to methadone. Here, as soon as anyone who knows what it is hears that word, they are going to think you are a junkie or former junkie. Just the way it is. And the problem with methadone is that it aint the best PK out there, and I consider it like joining a gang - you're in it for life. Detoxing from methadone is by far the worst of any opiate by a HUGE margin. and if you run out early, like im sure the OP is now, you would PRAY to just be addicted to or dependant to oxy and opana er.

but maybe start looking at all the other things that arent drugs to help your pain out.

Great advice. Thumbs up.

 

[Kid Amine]

When you are snorting 10 bags in a row to get high for a mere 30 minutes it won't seem like a crazy idea. I said the same thing, every heroin addict has when they were snorting, and they all ended up picking up the needle. Quit while you are ahead.

This. Went from snorting a bag a week to shooting 2 bundles a day in less than 18 months. Took me 6 to pick up that first needle, and 14 years of fighting to leave it back down. srsly, like Guido wrote, quit while you are ahead. It can and will get a WHOLE lot worse.

 

[TyLannister]

Matter of preferance i suppose, i think with opana or whatever, especially if snorting, one of the biggest problems is how fast tolerance builds, redosing, n then all the sudden youve gone through a months worth. Id think methadone would really help someone who keeps running out, yada yada etc. As far as the stigma surrounding methadone, when being treated by a doc for pain, contrary to popular belief, it does not in fact come with an attached sign to place on yourself that reads "GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, IM ON METHADONE!"
Meaning, the ole stigma can be avoided by simply keeping your treatment between you and your doc.

But at the end of the day, the human body is a fascinating thing, were all different and who knos how a person wld react to a medication.

 

[TyLannister]

I think its also important to realize this is pain management methadone treatment. Alot of people are on it, and im sure many have got off with a taper safe and sound, as when used properly for pain the physcological addiction rate is much lower, as one using for pain and following directions i would think that many a persons have got off just fine. For O.R.T or even an addict in pain management id imagine there being many many more factors, or like you said joining the gang.