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suboxone or naltrexone/vivitrol!? what do you think?

Jabberwocky

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any suggestions? going to see my doc. on Tuesday and still up in the air as to what the best bet would be.

for your info I am coming off/trying to get off a 1-2G a day dope habit. last 3 days I've been home going through withdrawals. been going down this path too long and NEED/WANT help, ASAP.. which is why i have the appointment on Tuesday. at first when we met i mentioned Vivitrol as my #1 option but the more i think/read, i am now thinking maybe i should go down subox road? any suggestions/experience here? I've done suboxone before but on my own not thorough a doc/rehab and they worked to a degree but i never really took a dosage that is see suggested or read about. id do 2-4MG a day which put me in an OK phase but for the amount of opiates i used i see i should have been a bit higher dose? but never went over 4MG because of money/realizing that i have yet to even consider quitting opiates.

suggestions/experience, please. truly been doing THE BEST i have been in a LONG, LONG time so i am ready to give it all up but need that EXTRA help w/ one of these mentioned above.
 
I have a naltrexone implant, my second, it lasts around 8-12 months. I think naltrexone is perfect if you are serious about dealing with your addiction in its totality. In another thread I mentioned that the first implant I received was absolute magic for the year that it was effective, but as soon as opiates came into my life after that I picked up again pretty quickly. That was because I never dealt with the underlying causes of why I needed to get high every single day.

This time, I've been going to counselling, practicing mindfulness, and generally taking it more seriously (after a brief but frightening stint with fentanyl).

Naltrexone gives you an enforced sober space (for opiates only) where your cravings will be little to none. I don't even think about opiates most days. What you have to be careful of though, is complacency arising from the very efficacy of the drug! From your posts though, you are serious, and you've been around the block enough times that you're not going to miss anything important (in terms of motivation) from, say, having a rapid detox.

I would say give vivitrol a go if you can and your dr. agrees. Bupe is still an opiate and you'll have to jump from that (again) at some point. Why not try a different approach?

truly been doing THE BEST i have been in a LONG, LONG time so i am ready to give it all up
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Yeah, I'd go naltrexone. Vivitrol lasts what, a month? So that's a four week trial you can conduct, if you still feel you need something, during that time, you can always go back to your dr. and request subs.
Wishing you the best, buffalo

feel free to PM me with any questions you have about naltrexone, rapid detox etc.
 
hi mate!
I wouldn't go down the subutex/one road with the hindsight I have today. It's a trap and impossible to get out from. At least for me. In fact, I went back to h for 2 weeks just for detoxing after that. It was impossible to taper out fully with subutex for me. What I suffering, It didn't stop! And it lasted so long. I did the detox myself in a remote cabin far away. I had all bensos, weed and so on. Actually I did not stop my opiat intake fully. I had 10mg oxy in the morning and in the evening, plus all those meds I just said. I Think I nearly was psycotic som days. And when hell broke out I drank vodka as water and crashed on the floor every late night. All memories are so fuzzy now. I lost perception av time and nearly my mind too.

So my way have been bensos, vodka, sleeping pills, weed. Don't do speed! I will destroy everything.


Now I am strictly clean since a month ago.

These are my experiences. It might not be best for you.

wish u luck!
 
appreciate both responses. buff - glad you see me as someone who is truly trying/wanting to get sober.. because its honestly what i want/need after so many years. just thinking of the money/problems these drugs have caused blows my mind i have not TRIED/realized this sooner. its NOT EASY and i wish others saw/realized that but its only us past/present users who do. and MAYBE the dr/psych, but thats only what they read/learned, not what they've been through themselves.

sheeder - same to you, man. appreciate the response. i am still so up in the air but only thing what worries me about the subs is still using that very next day, or 2 days, o4 even 3 days from last use. ive used subs in past but never to truly overcome my addiction, only to put off the money for a day or two. not to mentioned i kept my sub at a low dosage considering the amount i was using (2-4MG.day, only took low dose so i can overcome the sub and back to H quickly). i am honestly and truly TRYING and doing my best in a LONG, LONG time. i wish others saw it like this aside from my Dr./psych. ive also been down that road before where i was trying to come off before but using benzo's heavy to help w/ sleeping/agony of it all but always went back. benzo/ambien constantly through withdrawals which would just black me out and then id use again. since then i told my doc to get rid of my script of xanny cuz i was starting to abuse those more and more. im happy but hurting.. im sure you understand since you've been there yourself.
 
I've heard good things about Naltrexone. It's actually being used..unofficially as far as I'm aware to date.. for a lot of disorders/diseases outside of addiction. They give it to people before bed inhibiting neurochemical production in certain areas of the brain. When the patient wakes up, instead of the drug actually reducing pain, the brain and body's neurochemicals and immune system act on the pain instead.

Don't even think about Buprenorphine. If I could take back the 4 years+ before I got clean and trade it for just a temporary, painful process, I'd be in a much better social standing today. It wasn't Buprenorphine, but mainly misunderstanding of Buprenorphine by doctors. If I didn't have horrible reactions to Suboxone, it would've been a quicker and smoother process, but that still would've been close to a year. Rather than me just feeling like hell for about two weeks, and then, just be slightly off for a month or two.
 
ended up going w/ Subox.. been 8 days clean now.. well, on Subox @ 16MG a day. I know I will have to have to go down the recovery road but as of now I am actually happy and can get by w/ this dosage and start a program in the upcoming week. going to do a 1 year recovery process w/ the subs. let's keep the fingers crossed.
 
thanks, man. this is truly the best ive felt on the "recovery" road in a long, long time. I've tried Subox before but always w/ the intention on using soon after, and id take a low dosage so I could get the dope in ASAP. or I'd try Subox but listen to others and take 4MG or maybe 8MG throughout the day and try to wind down from there. I've never actually been through a clinic and have someone watch over my treatment plan. Starting at this dosage of 16MG seems to be working great as of now. As mentioned previously, I have no urge, no cravings, no BAD feelings, NO NOTHING... I actually feel good. I do not feel high/jammed/ whatever you wanna call it. I just feel good. I am happy about what is happening and I am even looking forward to the program I am about to start. I attended meetings last week and was very upfront about my past, my plan for future, and what I want/need to do. HOPING ALL STAYS THIS WAY even tho my personal life is a little MESSY RIGHT NOW I will NOT let it RUIN my sobriety.
 
feels nice to be off the roller coaster doesn't it=D

Yeah well as far as life.. shit we dont control that at all but we certainly control how we choose to percieve what comes our way.. you ever wonder why so many bad things happen?.. yeah they dont.. nothing bad until we decide it is and then we have just decided to let a bad thing into our life.. Life is how we percieve it and our thoughts determine our perception and we control our thoughts.. so in essence we control how our life is..

Way to be honest and up front.. really key to healing.. we are humans and we make mistakes and even down right choose to make mistakes.. forgive yourself and everyone else, quit taking yourself and life so seriously as its only life and its short and we all already have a free pass coming outa here. the steps are really pretty powerful at healing the psychological wounds we have so i would get rolling on that pretty quickly to create a more comfortable a peaceful and successful recovery... follow your heart and you will get to where you want and need to be=D

Again congratulations the accomplishments and plans.. If you put your sobriety first like you are then everything else falls into place with a little patience.. you're doing great BBT=D
 
thank you, thank you.. I truly do FEEL GOOD.. better than when I was using and thinking of how it hit a new low. I even got paid this past week and here we are 6 days later and I still have MONEY.. almost ALL THE MONEY I GOT PAID! So fckingggggg weird. I went to the mall the other day and bought something.. usually something I'd never do. The money would all go to drugs. It's just a new type of life. Or I should say an OLD TYPE OF LIFE that I need to RE-LIVE! Good to be back.. sober! Even it has only been a little over a week it feels like a lifetime. I am happy.
 
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