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Bupe Suboxone help!

oxy moron

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Today I went to the Sub doc, it was pretty unorthodox, I went in 24 hours in withdrawl, didnt get a 'induction' I got a prescription for 3 days and told to take

12mgs in the morning?? Well I got my prescription filled and couldnt take it, I took 2mg 27 hours into withdrawl, then an extra 2mg around a hour-hour 15 after,

Ok so my last dose was 10mg oxycodone ( the 27 hours before) so I dont think it is precipitated withdrawl due to half life, but heres why im worried,

I am prescribed valium also 5mg twice daily, well ive been down to around 5mg a day but last night the RLS and so on was getting to me and I wanted to sleep

so I took a total of 17.5 valium yday and 2 350mg somas <-- left over from a while ago. I am not benzo shy but I also havnt abused in a longg time, I took half

of 2.5mg so 1.125 of valium after my second 2mg dose of suboxone making for 2.5mg total for today at this point but I know the long half life so really there is

still a lot in my system. Now my breathing is so shallow!! I can barely talk because my voice is so quiet, swallowing is hard, I have cotton mouth dry mouth

whatever you want to call it and I just drank 3 glasses of water, I have a slight headache, slight blurred vision, bad concentration, just had hot flashes and

pretty bad sweating, the only thing I can relate the sweating to is taking to much of a substance (oxy,hydro etc) it was weird my nervous system feels so

revved up but yet so drowsy but I am worried to sleep with the benzo

mixing thing. I have been smoking cigarettes yeah I know but please dont say thats what is causing shallow breathing, its weird I felt ok at 2mg subxone prob (70-80% normal) but

after reading so many peoples post of how amazing they felt I thought maybe 2mg more would do that, I am not quite sure if I should go to the ER and I

honestly am not one to be like this I usually shrug it off, which makes me wonder if;

A) im withdrawing from valium because I have been prescribed for months

B) I am having a reaction to suboxone or took to much

C) I am having a reaction by the mix of the two I just cant see 1.125mg valium doing that but as I said before the half life etc who knows?

Sorry for the length and being all over the place I just wanted some advice or any experiences like mine, thanks in advanced.
 
Yes, it could be one of the causes you suggested, probably one of the latter 2 (B or C). I would immediately do the following:
- get someone to be around you at all times to pay attention and call an ambulance if you stop breathing or have any other severe symptoms (if you are alone, get on the phone with someone and keep talking to them so they know you are ok)
- go to a doctor or the hospital if you are having trouble breathing or staying awake
 
Thank you, I do have someone monitoring me as this is my 'induction' the doc just kind of read the pamphlet and sent me on my way lol, maybe I expected to much , I do feel somewhat better but not at all a 'miracle drug' imo, I am only feeling better than withdrawals, I think I was just on a little anxiety run from overwhelming info on the net! buttt I am definitively going to ride it out as much as possible before sleep, thanks its just a relief to even talk to someone with some experience as my closest loved ones have never experienced opiate w/d or any for that matter. But do you know anything about caffeine intake while on sub (glass of tea) or advil?
 
Both tea and Advil should generally be fine to take while on Suboxone, but right now I would probably try to avoid taking anything else if you can, so you can see how the Sub affects you and you don't end up either masking or worsening any symptoms. Personally if it were me I would avoid the caffeine as I find it can make me feel worse if I have a headache or anxiety etc - are you thinking you need something to help you stay awake?

By the way, how much Oxycodone do you normally need to take just to relieve withdrawals? I am really surprised that your doctor started you on 12mg of Suboxone (and didn't do a titration or anything). It's good that you decided to try a lower dose first.
 
Thanks for your reply, sorry for the wait I just puked twice and I have ate a biscuit all day??. I take 10mg percs my usual dose would be between 40-80mg a day ( I realize light to some people) rarely, and I mean rarely would I exceed that, got to remember I am rx'd aderall and valium so I am very weary. I have been on them for over a year I dont really abuse the meds but I cant taper, Ive tapered a hydrocodone habit and xanax by myself but oxy is something else. I deff do take as needed though which are needed more than not needed if you get what im saying, I experience withdrawls (mild) at around 6-8 hours I would say bc if I dont dose before bed I will wake up sweating rls stomach cramps . And what your saying is exactly what I thought that I am on to high off a dose to start with. Im just having about every allergic reaction listed on the med guide and wondering if its naloxone.

*Make that 4 times now wth im told this is a miracle drug
 
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Are you feeling better, worse, or about the same now?

Side effects from Suboxone are pretty common, especially when you first start taking it. I don't know whether it's from the naloxone or the buprenorphine though. It kinda sounds like maybe your dose was too high and maybe adding the benzos into the mix didn't help either (and any side effects from the Suboxone are normally more pronounced at higher doses as well).

So if you take 10mg of oxycodone it normally keeps you from getting withdrawals for about 6-8 hrs? I have to say, I really think your doctor prescribed you way too much Suboxone. Luckily you only took 4mg and not the whole 12mg. I would really consider finding another doctor who is more familiar with addiction, especially oxycodone addiction, and more experienced with Suboxone. I have known heavy injection heroin users who were fine with 2mg Suboxone.

Suboxone is not a miracle drug, other than in that it can keep people from feeling withdrawal symptoms for a period of time so that you can work on your mental addiction, make changes in your life, and work on the reasons you were using opioids in the first place.
 
The last 2 lines are exactly my 2cents on the whole suboxone program, a crutch to stabilize you while... I was stating the 'miracle drug' direct quote from my doctors mouth lol I am there with you in finding a new doc, I went in thinking I would have induction in the office was completely honest with everything which I believe he was reluctant to believe, I had a ekg blood urine all types of things and left with 3 days worth, thats fine in the 'monitoring how it works stage' but not on my wallet! Im a 20 year old college student! He said 3 days 5 days 10 days 20 then I will see him monthly!

I am feeling ok today, somewhat at least, I stayed up till early hours puked everything up, 8 times I believe it was, even slowly sipping water would not stay down, I am also very glad I only took 4mg, I am a bit weary to try again today, it has been 15 hours since my last dose. I just ate drank coffee and held it down thankfully. I feel kinda weird like not in w/d but on the verge but I am not sure if that is from dropping my daily valium dose by 50%.

So I am thinking around 30 mins after my food is down to try 1mg and see if I feel 'ok', as in can at least function not feel great, I may follow a 1mg dose later in the day or maybe half a mg. Gah I feel like a baby compared to other people taking 16mg and being fine and i'm here talking about half mgs lol I am kinda considering going back to the pain doc, explaining, maybe getting switched from oxy to hydro and tapering I have an appt this coming up week, do you have any idea if thats even ok to do? like legally?
Thanks for your help.
 
you are not supposed to be taking any benzo's while on subs. My doctor must have asked me at least 5 times if I was on benzo's before he gave me my first one.

Also, they made me be clean of opiates for 48-72 hours before my first one. You were at 24 hours, you said?
 
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