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Suboxone Dilemma - MERGED

kicking it all ya but mainly Oxy, them blue roxi got me on the wrap ya know. I've been on for like 5 years know. since i was 19 im 25 know. Everythang... I can't count how many times i've been through withdraws. Longest sober 1 year 3 months. its hell man I wasn't lieing when i said its a vicious cycle. My love is oxymorphone and smack... but I haven;t tasted eather since i started geting scripts..... I thought that it would be different bc it was prescribed, yup i was wrong(year ago).... i bang up just like smack son.. Shit man Ive been look at my life and i'm just a statics.:\
 
Ive always looked to psychedelics in times of need. That was my last sober time frame... I'm headed for so south American brew this weekend ive been preparing with a diet of rice and non-processed foods for the last 4 days. DMT the spirit molecule. Its risky but I really feel the best way to kick the habit is to get in touch with what ever god you believe in..... IDK thats me maybe subby works for you. It takes a significant emotional event for me to change my behavior.
 
Kicking subbys is mainly mental unless ur over 12mg... I've done that also.. I don;t think its the way to go man. Cold turky may hurt but atleast you know your alive... subbys mask the pain... then you get hooked on then... the cycle man its all about changing your behavior. Delete your phone and start a new.... Fuck the world.. and good luck man ttytmrw im hitting the hay down hear in the country.. Down south GA BOY!!!! OUT!!!!
 
Subs a crutch ? so i should kick cold turkey and get to point i cant take it then go back to dope ?
 
Jake you are doin good. Lemme give you a little imput

I dunno exactly what your usage pattern was, but I was on sub for about a year, but I was on dope more days then sub, so I never really got dependant on the sub.

You are probably in a somewhat similar situation, you are dealing with dope withdrawals and not sub withrawals.

So lets say right now, you are at day 6 and you just cold out stopped everything. In around 2-3 days you will start to feel your withdrawals comin gback (nothing like they were at day 1). This is becuase your sub is wearing off (long half-life like methadone).

Opiate withdrawal-depending on your habit, takes about 4-10 days to get through the actual withdrawal, then another 2 weeks of annoying as fuck paws, then depending on your usage, you coudl go through like another 2 weeks to a few months of paws that really isn't so bad but still annoying as fuck becuase it's hard to go to sleep/stay asleep, your body temp is fucked up, you are still mentally unstable/depressed.

So IMO, I would go down to 2mg when you feel ready in a day or 2 and stay there for like a full week, then if you feel ready I would go down to 1mg and stay there for honestly like 2 weeks, then over the next 2-3 weeks I would taper down to just a few crumbs. That way, you will get through your withdrawl and most of the bad paws.

Of course when you stop the sub you will feel a littl discomfort, but if you taper down to just crumbs, and you are really only on it for like 2 months at such a low dose, that IMO will be your best route.

Let me tell you something, lets say you stopped subs tomorrow, in a week or 2 when you are really annoyed that paws is still bothering you and shit, and you know your tolerance is so low it'd be so easy to cop just 1 bag and get high, it's going to be hard not to relapse. Thats why I think even a low dose of sub is good, so you can think clearly and not have these little things like lack of sleep bothering you.

Don't worry about staying on sub and worry about withdrawals and stuff, no matter what, you've only got 30 sub theres only so much damage you can do. You will not find your self in the position you read that some are in, that theyve been on 16mg for 4 years and are having mad trouble getting off/

Honestly, if you taper real slowly like take month going from 1mg to 0mg you will probably not feel ANYTHING (since you are not heavily dependant on su right now as it is)
 
Yo man thank you so much . you just answered what ive been stressing about. Im almost same as you . for last year its been back and forth with dope and subs but at the end more dope than sub
Today is day 6 and im better than first 2-3 days but still mentally f'd up . took 3 mg yestreday and 2 mg this morning...............
Yeah i dont wanna get stuck on subs but dont wanna go back to dope...............
So ill try 1 mg tomorow , and if i still feeel bad just stay at 2 mg................
ill do taper quickest i can without making it unbearable.
of course ppl in n.a. tell you dont take subs its a crutch just like the dude on here but its a hell of a lot better than going back to dope and ending up dead or locked up
 
honestly, whether you are on meth, or bupe, I still think NA is a good idea.

I should take my own advice..as I havnt gone in forever, but I do know, a long tiem ago, when I was trying to get clean with nothing, no bupe no anything, na is the only thin that helped

on methadone...I feel very stable, I dont need to extra support. when I make the jump to really get claen and off everythin I am gonna prob start back up again.

SOME people in na will hate on bupe/methadone but it's TOTALLY alright to go to meetings while you are on some type of opiate replacment therapy.

You can learn a lot from listenng, and you can surely talk.

What a lot of poeple in na dont lke is people celebrating clean time on meth. And people telling other people "how it works for them" and "how they got clean" when they are on methadone..becuase you have a distorted view of sobriety and the work it takes to get clean.
 
Yeah makes sense. i just tell them im off subs . they dont need to know im weaning off
 
Honestly...even if you were honest it wouldn't matter.

It don't matter if you don't got $1 for the can, or if your on meth bupe, or if you relapse every 2nd day of the week, or if you got 3 testicles. The LITERATURE says "the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop using"

So as long as you got that, people can't ask for any more.

Especially if you hook up with a sponsor..I would DEF find somebody you can come clean with. They were/are addicts too. They understand relapse and all that. If you run into some close-minded know-it-alls simply run the other way. You don't need that.
 
^ jake you should go on the methadone plan until you are sure you are ready... you keep bouncing between the two dope/subs.... just take the methadone until you are ready to stop..gotta get yourself prepared for the WD and make time for you... but in the end you just have to want to stop
 
i do have a N.a. sponser now ..................he doesnt get staying on subs though .
and why go on meth when im 6 days off dope and not that bad with subs at the moment ?
im just stressing about other stuff like fear of past catching up with me
 
Unbreakable said:
^ jake you should go on the methadone plan until you are sure you are ready... you keep bouncing between the two dope/subs.... just take the methadone until you are ready to stop..gotta get yourself prepared for the WD and make time for you... but in the end you just have to want to stop
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I got on methadone a little over a month ago, and 3 times which was during the 1st fe weeks while I was still moving toward my MAINT. dose.

I havn't used since (not that its too long) and I am no even tihnking about it.

Just got my nice ass paycheck in for this week...and only 100 of it is goin toward drugs and thast weed.

Usually I would blow through 600 in like 3 days then spend the rest of the wek having BARELY any money to even buy gas much less food./

Now I prioritize, I havnt even THOUGHT about picking up dope. Its actually fucking awesome, I don't feel the need to put my life at risk copping dope getting arrested.
 
The only thing i would worry about is the reality check of it later; stop the stuff and enjoy life for what it is... Being needy for anything sucks... esp when it is illegal, gets you sick when you don't take it, changes you totally and can cost you your life and time... I personally smoke mad weed now... i was using the dope as my self medication for Anxiety i have ....bud helps me the best...with out me wanting to use dope or benzo's to feel normal
 
I would smoke bud but i live with someone who isnt cool with it . i would go on methadone but i dont wanna be tied down to going to a clinic
 
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