Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread v. 19

[SKR]

If you're new to the H game - how much to you use?

That 8mg strip, if you've taken the whole thing, should more than hold you for a couple of days. 2-4mgs would probably hold you.

6mgs easily held me after a 300+mg oxycodone habit (2 years use)

It goes along way, but keep in mind you will raise your tolerance. Put it this way, if you get a buzz on subs then you took way more than you needed. Take care Trip.

 

[tripnotyzm]

hey thanks dude, i went and figured this out already after a bit more research.
the 8mg did indeed last quite a while, about 30 hours until i noticed any kind of wd related symptoms again.
i have re-dosed again with 4mg this time, did not get more than a very mild buzz, but it is definitely serving its purpose.
There is an emergency strip in my wallet for when/if i need it again.. next time i will drop it down to 2mg next time and see how that affects things.
I should have read into it a little more before dropping 8mgs.. I got a nice ride out of that experience, but i would definitely prefer to make these strips last me as long as possible for maintenance reasons as opposed to recreational purposes.

 

[Zerwas]

subs are really for people who are way more addicted to a much higher opiate dose and for many years.

Thats more the Methadone territory. Like I said in your thread: I think it is the Naloxone in your specific case.
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I am 4 days clean of Bupre now, having jumped at 0,5mg again and maintaining with Kratom at the moment. Although I wake up depressed and in slight WD, everything is fine after my dose.
But I fear that the WD will hit me hard when I quit the Kratom. Last time it was surprisingly intense even after such a small dose and Kratom taper.
I just don't want to end up throwing up for days to come...

 

[poloblue]

Ugh zerwas good luck man I'm on 1/2 mg now too n dunno wat to do lol tried taking 1/4mg for couple days n wasn't puking like usual full blown w/d's for me but was chilly sweaty n hittin ppl up for opiates, after 3 years of none just my subs, super discouraging lol

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

Congrats Zerwas 4 days no subs ya sound good. Polo: you been clean 3 years? Wow that's so cool I'm sorry you craving. If I understand the post you get sick from subs? Can you switch to subutex?? Just a thought to keep your track record at this point all your hard work I would hate to see you pick up cause I've read other posts and you seem very supportive to others. I'm on day 23 clean and I am on 1mg I haven't been able to get appointment with new doc yet. My body feels the decrease, i ache by 3-4 pm every day, and my mind wonders to using, as I say I crave but haven't caved, yet, I am trying not to go there by keeping busy but my stress level is ungodly, no excuses though, once I know I have new doc, I know for a fact, I will increase my dose to curb cravings and stay clean, stay safe all, bono

 

[Zerwas]

Thank you guys,

now on day 5 it gets uncomfortable. Especially in the early morning but I'll manage.

polo: Maybe also try to switch to Kratom? I made pretty good experiences with that. 3-4x4g a day keeps the Bupe WD away!
I did it because I could not taper further than 0,5mg of Bupe myself. But I have to mention I had some Tilidine as well the first two days.

 

[poloblue]

Bono: Ya I haven't touched opiates in 3 years actually closer to 4 tbh was on 8mg entire time now I've gotten to half of 1mg & when I try to go lower I end up hittin ppl up for opes & feeling "addicty" like I did so many years ago. Haven't been getting sick persay but that was enough to have me go back to my 1/2mg. haven't been craving this week but prob cuz back on 1/2mg, anything less doesn't seem to b very good for me lol

Zerwas: I had a huge plastic cup full of kratom that was given to me but was sitting a year n I found this nasty ass stink bug kind of thing in it n so I threw it away. Deff regretting it now it's not too hard to get but I hear the smoke shop stuff is bunk n online is way to go

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

Polo: almost 4 years holy moly to me that's a lifetime, great work though. That was the most I ever had years ago but only cause I was being state monitored. Well, I am at day 24 off opiates, on 1mg sub and I too keep thinking in my fng addict mind, I can hit this person up for something, but I deep down don't want to.I actually deleted a connect as a safety measure, I do crave at this dose but I also feel better, physically. I called my new insurance and got signed up with new doc,pcp, now got start process of referrals etc...I do have 31 subs left so I need support to stay at this dose for now. Bono

 

[MikeTT]

Hey all. So, I've been on suboxone for 5 years now and I'm still dealing with my addiction on it. I usually run out early by the end of the month. A day or two at the most. Problem is, I hate being sick. I got myself down to 1mg or less a day by the end of hte month. I just got some kratom and wanted to try it out to see how it takes away the w/d. Anyone know what a good baseline amount would be? I don't have a lot, but I don't think I need a lot do I?

 

[Zerwas]

Try 5g per dose about every 5 hours. Maybe you need a little bit more depending on the potency of your Kratom. What strain do you have specifically?

 

[poloblue]

Polo: almost 4 years holy moly to me that's a lifetime, great work though. That was the most I ever had years ago but only cause I was being state monitored. Well, I am at day 24 off opiates, on 1mg sub and I too keep thinking in my fng addict mind, I can hit this person up for something, but I deep down don't want to.I actually deleted a connect as a safety measure, I do crave at this dose but I also feel better, physically. I called my new insurance and got signed up with new doc,pcp, now got start process of referrals etc...I do have 31 subs left so I need support to stay at this dose for now. Bono

24 days is nuttin to buck at either man especially that soon removed from dope u know. You deff got this & now you have that 4years to look at and say "I did it before & can do it again" for real. & honestly those 24 days to me are a hell of a lot harder than the years that follow...atleast i.m.e.....But ya man I think the same things, especially when I run out of thc n shit like today, honestly I'm not looking to use drugs n b high or check out I just want to feel fkn happy like ppl who never introduced drugs to themselves seem to b able to effortlessly do. But deep down I know I want those feelings from life, not from something I need every so many hours but I deff hear you mane when I first got clean 4 yrs seemed a lifetime for me too, even impossible...but it isn't. It was to me at the Time certainly impossible I wanted to killmyself I was the kid who would have characterized himself as having the least amount of will power in the world...lol and still kind of do tbh....but I did it you know. & I had means to use more dope than anyone I've ever met..besides the homie I got it from lol..I was the kid u know who found out he never had as many true friends as he thought he did, once he didn't have anything to offer them anymore n wanted to better his life...But ya I Not the type who counts my days or anything I actually feel that can be counterproductive personally....but @ the point I'm at now That "almost 4 yrs" doesnt matter to me when I'm just as "addicty" as I was comin off dope when I try to come off my meds..not to mention the feeling like I'm just biding my time until I try to lower passed this 1/2mg again : /.....I was so motivated to get clean when I did changed my # like u said, didn't keep any dealers #s(which was super big deal to me as that underworld was my life from 14-21) had the life u know my definition of perfect..until I couldn't stop doin dope lol relapsed month after detox so decided I needed subs (foolishly) had the most motivation I ever had then n would have been perfect time to try sort myself out then. Guess I had the false sense subs and time away from street drugs would help cure my addict brain n almost 4yrs later I'm super pissed they haven't n feel stuck like I wasted those 4yrs & gave up the life I always wanted since I was 12 lol minus the being a helpless addict part but am still just as much addict as b4. My clean time really means more to ppl who look at my life from the outside i feel, I'm glad I stayed free from DOC for that long but mainly so my parents can b happy n not feel like they have such a loser son lol. I wish I could do it for myself or give myself credit I just really & honestly have no clue how to. I was basically on auto pilot for a couple of the years as long as I had something to smoke life was gravy like my receptors were being adequately filled, now on the low dose n w/ a considerably less steady supply of thc not so much auto pilot anymore . sorry for the ramble , guess I needed do a little venting this a.m lol

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

Polo how you doing? I have 27 days today but boy my mind wants to get high so bad. I get the false sense but ineed maintainence cause I just use use use, I crave and bad. Triggers too, I deleted numbers but yesterday someone texted, I actually turned my phone off for awhile, then I finally came clean to her and said "I have 26 days clean" yesterday and she congrats me! Holymoly. And we getting a blizzard, I love being high during snow!! I am gonna need take more sub cause 1mg doesn't take cravings away for me 4mg does. Still going at this though, thoughts to all! Bono

 

[speedballs_over]

For those of you enduring terrible cravings, I'd seriously rethink your position on higher sub doses. 4-mg might well take care of that, but you don't want to be on bupe, right?

I face the same issue, but I keep my dose higher rather than try to get off it b/c I know 100% I'll relapse. Even if it was 25% chance, I'd stay on bupe. I don't see that as being an addict, I see it as treating a medical issue with an appropriate medication, along with therapy and staying away from those still in the game.

Just give my view a look, consider it carefully. If you value sobriety and productivity over struggling with cravings, fears of relapse and relapsing itself, I firmly believe maintenance is appropriate regardless the length of one's DOC opioid dependency.

Why do folks want on and off bupe so fast when we know relapse rates are significantly higher when you're not on maintenance therapy, esp., in the first several years after dependency on opioids? Imo, bupe is not a "drug" it's a medication for people like myself. Seems the better HR route to me, but I'm open to others experiences and opinions.

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

^That's exactly what I thought and how I feel. I was tapering down because I feared running out but was able to find 16 more. So now I have enough until I get to doc. I have been struggling lifelong with this so yes, as long as I stay on subs, I am sober, to me, my sobriety depends on this, I was born addicted and struggle every day, now I have suboxone in my life and this is the best I have felt in long long time! Your post was 100% what I needed to read thanx sb

 

[speedballs_over]

You're welcome. I was a complete dick in the "fuck you I'm out" thread today, so I've redeemed myself. Thank you!

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

I don't think you were the dick, the OP was, anyhow the support here is so great, I did just up and take 4mg because of cravings and triggers, I'll just leave it at that but for me yes, this works thanx again!

 

[poloblue]

I'm deff doin better today found some oil so that takes care of my mind goin 100miles a sec & thinkin about opes, just sucks when I don't have anything to smoke. Kind of feel like I'm in mild w/d every morning tho . Been debating whether to take half dose in morn & half @ night instead of all in the a.m like I have been...Get the sweaty pits the shits chills mind isn't as cool until after I take my meds & smoke. If I don't have anythin to smoke mind wanders to harder shit & days seem a lot harder to get through...Feel I deff substituted one addiction for another & just really at a point where I want to see my full potential n quit under achieving & just don't know if I can do that while on subs or toking daily. It makes me way too content w/ doin nuttin w/ my life. idk I don't feel being on this 1/2mg is the best for me lol I got down to this dose w/ the intent on jumping from it or from 1/4mg but 1/4mg had me looking for opes after years of not n bein set on recovery & a better life

How's today 4 u bono? & I agree this site is awesome for addicts almost kind of like a meeting where u don't need to be at it at a set time or have anxiety from 20 ppl starin at u haha & I'd deff be smoking b4 meetings n feel bad n shit which just makes anxiety worse

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

^Hi Polo today is well..just today I guess. I took my 4mg and feel in ok, I crave don't want to cave, I think what you said about this being like a meeting is so very true. I am using bluelight as a recovery tool, for me, I can't get out, either, so yes I like this site a lot. I actually am finding that anything under 4mg doesn't take away cravings, only withdrawl symptoms, cause I would dose in am, 1mg, and by 3 or 4 pm I was feeling pretty awful so I would take .5mg and worked great for withdrawl symptoms but not cravings, just my own intake on this, I find my mind wondering at lower doses, but so far still staying off h and percs, 27 days 15 hours wow for me, a second at a time, bono

 

[poloblue]

Maybe that's y my heads been all over the place lol I prob should up my doseI've been thinking about it a little just to be more comfortable but I get torn about it & feel diff each day, lol I just don't really like being on 1/2mg mentally cuz I don't see or really talk to anyone who has exp on such a low dose so not really sure if I should be maintaining so low or not, my plan was to jump n just kick it but I've been discouraged again for another couple months atleast lol @ the docs at my clinic. Wish I could believe they know what they're talking about but it's like they've been hit over the head w/ a shovel haha no lie

 

[bonomoopiojo55]

My head is all over the place also, left to my own, I always get in trouble. So I write everything down, I looked it up, on the 10th I dropped down to 2mg, and been jonsing bad since, then today I took 4mg and feel better, not craving as much. I really wish the docs were better knowledgeable about subs in general, I am finding that over 4mg is overkill, and under 4mg keeps withdrawl away, but cravings return, I wish I didn't feel the need for suboxone, but in all honesty, I can't get a day without it, so for me to feel like I am successful, so be it, stay safe all.