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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0

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20x...50x...400x! Point is bupe doctors will convince patients that they actually NEED this much and it's sad. Sometimes they only have to support the patient who's convinced they need more when they're already on way more than they need... I've seen this many times in person with people I know, and on here with people I've met. And the worst part? The doctor will HAPPILY prescribe more to this kind of patient. "Help I'm addicted to opiates!"
"What's your average daily intake?"
"10mg Vicodin a day/100ml of codeine a day"
"Oh we'll fix you right up! Here!"
*hands a script for 12-24mg a day of bupe*
You end up getting a worse addiction. And skyrocketing your tolerance all thanks to them enabling you. And it's a damn shame.

@bostonbrowntown: I made the switch to zubsolv, it was night and day. It dissolves faster, tastes better, works better, feels better... When I first made the switch I actually felt buzzed for the first couple days to a week... It says there's naloxone in there but ime I feel like they're lying haha! (Yes I know bupe has more affinity yadda yadda yadda..) all negative effects I had from suboxone... GONE with zubsolv. Truly the best option of all bupe medications. For many reasons more than the few listed above... If you're curious about the others, PM me. Got in trouble last time for stating my thoughts on it publicly.
 
Are ZubSolv any less desireable on the to those who don't have their own providers? Due to having less buprenorphine cause even though they're equivalent, some people just won't buy it when you try to tell them that.

I'm talking bout the average Joe who doesn't have much knowledge on buprenorphine or drugs in general?
 
if anyone has done their research they should know Zubsolv are more attractive than the regular Sub that most people are getting. they just think MG's but there is much more behind it than the MG's in this case. tell them to do their on research and reading and they will see.
 
40 hours till I can get my refill and some sweet relief. This is not a mistake I will make again. Hopefully I can make something work out tomorrow, but this is not going to be a fun night.

Ugh. Sorry bro. I've been there. But, at least you know you're gonna get what you need soon. Good thing is that bupe has a very long half life, and 40 hours really isn't that bad considering. It's not like going 40 hours without H, ya know?

You'll be alright. I'm sure someone you know can sell you a sub or something in between, but even if not, you'll still be fine.
 
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Appreciate the sympathy man. It's not anything intense but still uncomfortable regardless. I should be able to work something out tomorrow, but if not I'll make it through. I'm sure a lot of people can agree that nights tend to be the worst.
 
Thanks. I think the acute withdrawal was over a month long.

I still have peripheral withdrawal symptoms like yawning, eyes tear up, goose bumps, stomach on "fast" mode. I still have real intense REM sleep but it doesn't seem to be affecting me as heavily. The nightmares were really bad for a while. Oh and I always have a high heart rate (abnormally high for my build).

I think all my mental problems account for my panic attacks so I am accepting it as it comes.

Honestly I am really happy. I wasn't happy for so long and after I got happy again it was like I knew I would get my life back and after that point (9ish months ago) I knew I could get my shit together and mentally and physically withdrawal from bupe.

I would go more into this but it's boring and more suited for Trip Reports. I just wanted to let you all know that we are all a lot stronger than we give ourselves credit for and to keep doing well for yourselves.

Im glad you posted this.

I stopped taking subs about a month ago but am still waiting for my brain to 'turn on' again. Meaning get to the point where I can actually enjoy some aspect of life. Ive been dealing with this off and on for years tho. Anyway, I have the elevated heart rate + stomach issues as well. At first my stomach would make noise for the majority of the time I was awake, now it's just uncomfortable and overactive.

fwiw I have relapsed like 4 times since stopping sub maintenance.

gl
 
Don't beat yourself up about that. It happens. A lot of people fuck up multiple times before they finally do it.. so it's normal.

The situation with your boyfriend is bad. In my experience, there is no "getting clean together". One person always tempts the other one, or relapses first and then the other person follows, etc. Junky relationships never work. So, if you're actually serious about getting clean.. you might need to think about leaving. I know it's easier said than done, but it's often necessary.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I found this to be true in my own life as well. Navigating a healthy relationship can be difficult; let alone a relationship that's stained by addiction. It's just too easy to fall back into whatever your pattern is. Especially if your pattern is something as addictive as doing dope together. If the two of you have built a life together that's based around opiates, it really is impossible to maintain that life without them. I wish you the best of luck with your situation.
 
People used to not want the subutex either, because they didn't know any better..

Damn Effect, you don't know one person with a single 8mg that can help you out?

I've been in that boat many times, but it takes me so long to feel functional if I try to jump from dope back to bupe that I'm still fucked for days, even if I have plenty of Suboxone...

I used to always think the suboxone was my ace in the hole, but then getting back on it sucks so bad, I just sold all of them every month and kept getting high...at least by the time you get them, they should work right away!

I'm going Wednesday to my sub doctor...I haven't seen him in four months. He writes me for a month's worth and a refill, I couldn't make the appointment, so he just called it in for me..

I'd try Zubsolv, but I take 1.5 mgs at a time, and I don't think they'd be that easy to break up...and it's still just buprenorphine...a turd dipped in gold is still a turd..I'll probably just stick with the strips..I wanna be off the shit by the end of spring!
 
^ only people I could think of don't have cars. I actually had someone come in the clutch send a couple to me on Friday morning and I'd imagine it should be here tomorrow (well today actually), but I'm not counting on it. I thought of getting dope to hold me over, but I wanna be able to pass my test without a bottle of piss that's been sitting outside (hopefully frozen) for 2 weeks in my pocket. I just wanna be able to take a few mgs as soon as I get buprenorphine one way or the other.
 
Can anyone that injects their bupe or used to and has switched to sublingual ROA give some advice on making the switch? I will obviously have to account for the difference in bio availability and adjust the dose accordingly. I currently inject between 2-4mg of Suboxone every day, which is up from 0.25/0.5mg per day about 12 months ago. I want to switch to taking it under my tongue for the added duration and to take a break from the steel, but the reason that I inject it is because it's much cheaper, as I buy it on the street and if I have to start taking 12-16mg to achieve the same effect, I may have to consider going back to a chemist/clinic (which I would really rather avoid). The health implications of injecting Suboxone are beginning to scare me after all these years, even using a 0.2um micron filter I'm sure it still ain't too good for me.

Ideally, I want to take this opportunity to begin tapering as I have a strong desire to be opiate free. But how much of a perceptible difference will there be putting a 2mg piece of film under my tongue versus into my arm? I have come up with a taper regime based on an IV ROA and was just going to adjust it based on the recorded percentages of bioavailabilities for buprenorphine, which seem to vary. I also remember reading that alcohol increases the BA of sublingual Suboxone, so that may be another avenue.

Sorry if this question seems a bit trivial, just not sure how to go about this and would love to hear some first hand experiences.

A. <3
 
Other than the whole getting used to not using the needle adjustment, my guess would be that your probably going to have to double your dose to get an equivalent amount per day. That's assuming the SL bioavailability is about 50% (hard to get an exact answer on that) compared to the 100% of IV. With the added duration you could do once a day dosing if your not already.
 
Can anyone that injects their bupe or used to and has switched to sublingual ROA give some advice on making the switch? I will obviously have to account for the difference in bio availability and adjust the dose accordingly. I currently inject between 2-4mg of Suboxone every day, which is up from 0.25/0.5mg per day about 12 months ago. I want to switch to taking it under my tongue for the added duration and to take a break from the steel, but the reason that I inject it is because it's much cheaper, as I buy it on the street and if I have to start taking 12-16mg to achieve the same effect, I may have to consider going back to a chemist/clinic (which I would really rather avoid). The health implications of injecting Suboxone are beginning to scare me after all these years, even using a 0.2um micron filter I'm sure it still ain't too good for me.

Ideally, I want to take this opportunity to begin tapering as I have a strong desire to be opiate free. But how much of a perceptible difference will there be putting a 2mg piece of film under my tongue versus into my arm? I have come up with a taper regime based on an IV ROA and was just going to adjust it based on the recorded percentages of bioavailabilities for buprenorphine, which seem to vary. I also remember reading that alcohol increases the BA of sublingual Suboxone, so that may be another avenue.

Sorry if this question seems a bit trivial, just not sure how to go about this and would love to hear some first hand experiences.

A.

Most people really don't have a problem switching. It's pretty simple. You just need to take 50-60% more.
 
Do the strips go bad, i have two unopened 8mg strips that "expired" in January. Curious bc would like to use them to do a short detox from blues
And is there a length of time that would make it safe to take bupe even if i haven't reached a 26.on cows. Last time i tried thus i caved after 24 hours bc i want at a 26.but was going crazy w cravings. Ill make it through today but have to work tomorrow at 11am and want to be able top take some sub otherwise I'll prolly get antsy bc i "need"something for work n go out n score

right now I'm at 29hrs and my last dose was 60mg OC iv'd i feel done symptoms like hot n cold, tears, yawns, runny nose n stomach cramps plus anxiety and cravings. I should also mention i took some kratom at the 8, 12, and 20 hour marks, along w a mg of kpin last nite and herbs throughout.
Thanks
 
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No as long as they are in the packaging they don't go bad. You said you're at 29 hours since your last dose, so you should be pretty close.
Yea its weird, i smoked some good bud, ate some bagel bites n feel almost fine. Besides that on edge feeling n thinking of nothing but scoring I'm really damn near fine. Occassional cold flashes, runny eyes and nose, and overall weakness. Its the fact i have school work to catch up on and physical job that i want to take done bupe for a couple days just to esse my mind
 
So i guess how long before i could safely take subs even if im not going to hit a twenty six on the cows
Maybe I'm under rating my symptoms bc the last time i got REALLY sick was taking a sub 24 hours after a 600mg day of oc, that's also why i want to be sure i won't get sick when tryn a bit of bupe cause everytime I've gone on it i always felt some increase I'm my withdrawals, sometimes it lasted 30min, other times hours
 
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Yes it's certainly possible to miss some of your symptoms. That's why it's better for another person to administer the test, because they can see things you miss, because when sick.. you're not really in the best frame of mind and just feel so shitty as a whole, you can miss certain symptoms. You're just not as observant when sick. So it's very possible you're at a higher score than you think. Still, to be 100% sure, wait until you literally can't bare another second. The longer you hold out, the better the bupe works. So then, when you finally do take it, you'll feel this intense wave of relief when your symptoms go away.

Hang in there. If you do it too early, all that time you waited so far will have been for nothing, because you'll have to do it all over again. So it's better to wait a few extra hours to get it right now.
 
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