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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0

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At first when I started MMT in october 2012 they tried to take me off valium 10mg bid, which is a legit script I had been on since forever, way before I did more than snort 1mg dilaudids. Even less needles. Legit need for them. He had me on a much too quick taper so I had my psychiatrist call them and apparently he told them they were a danger to society by taking away my diazepam, the one thread that keeps me from going batshit insane and be kicked out from where I live :)

Gotta admit the shrink was happier when I was on subs though. Which is too bad, since I am being switched to the pain clinic since i've shown I was able to use methadone and suboxone correctly and I have my 6 takehomes since forever...But I'll have to be put on methadone again, before being put on a real pleasant full mu agonist; bupe just sucks as a painkiller when you've known better. A couple american friends of mine around here have had Buprenex ampoules scripts for themselves or cat (not kidding) and they say that the .3mg shots are way better than other opiates with no tolerance, but I'll never know. We don't have Buprenex or Temgesic here. Only other bupe product are the BuTrans patches, and thats def not a pain med option for me.

Been wondering what kind of dose they'll put me on methadone and hopefully I won't have to do any inpatient time. I quit methadone at 39mg, was sober 48 hours then I was given 4mg outpatient, just had to lie on a hospital bed 4 hours to see if I was doing ok, which I was, was told to come back the next day and see where I should be, I left with a 10mg script after taking 8mg that day. But I know bupe to methadone or bupe to anything opiate is much more complicated, not that one will get prep wd's but actual wd's...which are just slightly worse, if the methadone dose isn't high enough. Hopefully they won't take me inpatient and start at 15mg again etc. It seems unlikely, I'll ask them at my next appointment, early april.

My grandma is on 20mcg an hour BuTrans patches....she isn't high at all, it didn't change her behaviour at all and says it works wonders, I wish I knew about them before I started to shoot up dillies out of desperation and anger at the health system.
 
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Moving from 12 to 10mg is such a minute change, the difference is barely noticeable. It is almost insignificant. Even dropping from 12mg to 8mg is painless. I induced at 12mg and dropped to 8mg without feeling any sort of discomfort. From what I read and hear, that seems to be the general experience.

If anything, the change will be pyschological. But there is no need to give the mind additonal stress. A positive mindset allows for a positive experience.
 
Thanks man. I updated the OP to include that link and added pics of the 4 and 12mg strips.



Dont worry about that. The majority of people do not notice any real change dropping doses until they get to around 2mgs, and start dropping from there. But, from 12 to 10, you will not notice any change. The half life of suboxone is so long, causing the doses to stack and build up, that at high doses, the drops really are not felt.

Thanks - I understand that to be the case from what people have said on here. I guess I need to motivate myself to take the plunge n finally start reducing. As my mam says "You'll never be ready." Besides I've noticed that when I take the 12 mg I'm waking up stiff n achy in the mornings n when I forget to take the extra 4 mg I don't feel that. Plus I don't have the motivation to exercise anymore n that was one of my passions. At the same time I find myself getting verbally aggressive over the slightest thing n talking 9 to the dozen where usually I'm quite a nervy person n really scared of conflict. So I really need to start doing it or I'll never start doing it.

Evey xxxx
 
Thanks - I understand that to be the case from what people have said on here. I guess I need to motivate myself to take the plunge n finally start reducing. As my mam says "You'll never be ready." Besides I've noticed that when I take the 12 mg I'm waking up stiff n achy in the mornings n when I forget to take the extra 4 mg I don't feel that. Plus I don't have the motivation to exercise anymore n that was one of my passions. At the same time I find myself getting verbally aggressive over the slightest thing n talking 9 to the dozen where usually I'm quite a nervy person n really scared of conflict. So I really need to start doing it or I'll never start doing it.

Evey xxxx

When why not just cut out the 4mg at night, if you know you feel better on 8mg?
 
I reduced from 8 mg to 4 (then eventually lower) by dissolving 4 mg in a few drops of vodka - soak it up w/ a couple swab cottons, then sublingually like normal.
No discomfort in drop whatsoever...I think the biggest problem in reducing from 8 mg. was not being able to wait 48 hours between dosing.


On another note: does anybody have any experience w/ loperamide for sleep during acute wd's ?
seems like it would have much to do with your past tolerance.

Edit: Nevermind, I read the MGthread...sounds like "death of the organ"
 
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Moving from 12 to 10mg is such a minute change, the difference is barely noticeable. It is almost insignificant. Even dropping from 12mg to 8mg is painless. I induced at 12mg and dropped to 8mg without feeling any sort of discomfort. From what I read and hear, that seems to be the general experience.

If anything, the change will be pyschological. But there is no need to give the mind additonal stress. A positive mindset allows for a positive experience.

Are you saying this to me ?

When I'll switch back to methadone now that I have everything to guard against its ills (testosterone injections, cortisone pills). I'll drop dosage dramatically fast in 2 weeks so that I don't need a massive dose of done to get it done...All of this is being sorted out by me and the doctors right now. Still waiting 7 months later for an MRI of my pituitary gland though..if there's something wrong there I don't know what will happen, but I imagine that the damn public system will have me take it pretty soon now, last time I waited for an MRI was 4 months, but it was considered more serious by the people over there (verifying how vascullary compressed by an artery is my left trigeminal nerve).

I need methadone for the pain relief, bupe sucks at that unless you're opiate naive. Then when the switch to a methaddone dose that works ( I never needed more than 60mg, the valium and xanax script helps) I'll be switched to the good boys pain clinic and get all the fun stuff if I agree to take nsaids and cortisone infiltrations.

Oh wait you weren't talking to me. I don't know, she had problems getting rid of codeine ;)

I couldn't reply to your reply since the thread moved so quickly Evel but one thing, pure codeine isn't going to hurt your liver, not unless you take 4000mg.... You were too lazy/uninformed to do CWE's of your Empracets 30's/60's? I don't know if that's the name for caffeine free pills of the sort in the US, I know only Tylenol #4 doesn't have caffeine, they rarely ever script high dose codeine pills with caffeine anymore, except this one time i was indeed scripted generic tylenol #3 with the 15mg caffeine in the way, because it was a script made by telephone by my dentist. CodeineContins 100,150,200's is where it's at, just crush, parachute enjoy.

Your liver damage thing is a mirage unless you were popping 400mg-450mg using 30mg/300mg APAP pills and lesser strength, all the fucking time. And if you were doing that, I guess a strict supervision and bupee is your only way out...
 
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I reduced from 8 mg to 4 (then eventually lower) by dissolving 4 mg in a few drops of vodka - soak it up w/ a couple swab cottons, then sublingually like normal.
No discomfort in drop whatsoever...I think the biggest problem in reducing from 8 mg. was not being able to wait 48 hours between dosing.


On another note: does anybody have any experience w/ loperamide for sleep during acute wd's ?
seems like it would have much to do with your past tolerance.

Edit: Nevermind, I read the MGthread...sounds like "death of the organ"

Well doing that is suppose to increase BA, so you are not really dropping 8 to 4, but somewhere in between. This really doesn't give you an accurate rate of taper, which is counterproductive to the taper. If you have plenty of it to taper properly, I see no reason to do that, just drop down at a % that causes minimal discomfort. The only benefit to that method is a short supply you need to stretch.
 
does anybody have any experience w/ loperamide for sleep during acute wd's ?
seems like it would have much to do with your past tolerance.

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Hi Fire,
Lopermine really helped me in early WD from sub (first couple weeks) 20 pills stopped the WD cold. But it concerned me that it might just prolong WD and it stopped me up for daaaaaays and made me have to use laxatives. Benadryl helped me sleep, but that can cause restless legs...lol, it seems all meds have a downside.
Time is what cures...lots of time.
 
Thanks for adding those links Scag. i appreciate it.

looking for a new sub doc cuz i have to first off. my 2 more weeks of subs are up and they dont go past 3 months and mine are up in 2 weeks but i was told as long as we are looking for a doc or on a waiting lust they wont cut us off till we go to the doc. well this gir in my class says her counselor is discharging her and she hasnt found a doc yet. i was told by my counselor (who is a higher up), my group leader(just a regular counselor( and by the front desk lady that id be ok so they shouldnt do that to her either. im trying to hook us up so wish me/ her luck. we're both in a predicament here.
 
^^^

What doctor is giving you your sub now? Still that guy who was messing around with putting people on naltrexone and bupe at the same time?
Yeah. I got 2 weeks left till my 3 months if sub is up. I gotta find a new doc but I'm still going to groups. I'll hopefully have a month script tho and make it 2 months. They said they will keep you if you're on a waiting lost but for
Someone else I hear different but my counselor is high on the totem poke so she says that's wrong and they shouldn't tell then that cuz 3 people including the front desk last said they won't cut you off unless you're looking at another doc or at least on a waiting list.
 
Thanks Zig

I guess I jumped the gun thinking my sleep was returning to normal, broke down & tried 24 mg of lope' last night
What a mistake ! the nights of 50 -75 mg of benadryl helping are long past. I agree time is the best cure
It will be nice to get more than 3 hours of sleep again.

mucho appriciado
 
Can you get a scrip for Trazadone? It's non addictive and cheap. Most doctors have no problem writing a script for it...
 
I am familiar with it...not sure if I want to go that route as of yet. If exercise fails to help it will be an option...
Are you familiar with natural sleep remedies, besides melatonin (or kratom) ?
 
I've been off opiates for since last April.(after decades on) Sleep is the last thing to right itself. I still have a couple nights a week that I don't get to sleep till 3 or 4am. (Once I'm asleep I can get 6-7 hours)
Hang in there...it does SLOWLY get better.
 
I've been off opiates for since last April.(after decades on)

Same here...except for subutex, quit taking prescribed oxycodone last Oct. You dont realize how bad its rewiring your brain when its killing pain. Ever increasing tolerance/meds' outweigh the benefits (at least for myself)
Hoping for less addictive more effective pain treatment in the near future, (if thats even possible) getting around big pharma

I can dream...(well, not very much lately)
 
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