Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

[aaaaa8]

^I think you shouldn't expect to get too strong of an effect from bupe beyond what you have experienced... By snorting it, you are definitely increasing the intensity of the effects, but more than 4mg snorted is probably not going to do anything better. In fact, I'd recommend trying for maybe 2-3mg sported per day, broken maybe into two 1 -1.5mg or so doses... that works for many people to actually increase effects, by decreasing the dose to this level or even lower.

i actually snorted half an 8mg subutex and didnt feel much but after aout 10 min or so it really hit me. A nice little high, not crazy or anything but a definite high.

Got all euphoric, talkative, itchy, the whole 9 yards. Had a nice nod going to after an hour or so.

Feels alot like hydrocodone IMO

 

[rolls_]

I'm down to 0.2mg intermitantly everyday or so, wd isn't bad just get occasionally shits but it goes away, no real hot flushes or sweats either which is great only problem is I'm getting anxiety.

Been treating it with phenibut which is fixing it up but how long does post withdrawal anxiety last for?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Shoulder muscle on left side mate, no idea what gauge, but its burnt like fuck as it was injected into me, perhaps i could be thinking of another chemical..Weird.

I think it's more likely to burn if you inject too quickly. I take 15 to 30 seconds to inject 50 units at a time. If you do it in 5 to 10 seconds (which is how long you take to IV typically) it will sting.

I dont get it? my tolerance for sub or oxy?

Both. It also is related to down regulated endorphins, and up regulated mu-opioid receptors.

I'm down to 0.2mg intermitantly everyday or so, wd isn't bad just get occasionally shits but it goes away, no real hot flushes or sweats either which is great only problem is I'm getting anxiety.

Been treating it with phenibut which is fixing it up but how long does post withdrawal anxiety last for?

Not sure to be honest. I didn't experience that.

 

[8L4YN3]

^True, yeah. Fail technique on the part of my local gp. Should have mentioned earlier wasn't me personally who performed the injection, and this was quite some years ago, before i had any knowledge of proper injection techniques(for all injections that is, im, iv, sc).. So yeah he injected it way too fast.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

bump..

so whats up with all the bupe users tonight? this thread is usually at the top of the page.

i took my bupe and some tramadol before falling asleep earlier this evening and i must have slept in the wrong position the whole time and the opiates must have kept me from moving in my sleep or making me not feel it, but when i woke up omg my lower back hurt so fuckin bad lol i've had a heating pad on it for a couple hours and is getting better tho :D

EDIT: just realized it's 5am.. everyone is most likely sleeping lol my b

 

[8L4YN3]

^Yo whats bupe and tramadol like, very euphoric? I'd imagine that would be a nice combo in terms of analgesia.. Just wondering anyways. Tramadol is one drug that isnt blocked by buprenorphine, is this right haha i might be totally actually, i forget.

 

[rolls_]

all opiates are blocked

 

[jnicolas1980]

I just started back on bupe a few days ago after a mild oxie habit. After reading dozens of pages here (this forum is great), I thought I'd try to avoid getting on a high dose. I took two 30 mg oxies last Friday, and now I'm at about 2-3 mg of sublingual bupe a day (one to three 1mg doses), hoping to get even lower. I've got a question, though. I currently have one 30 mg oxie left, and I'm planning to take it this coming Monday. Given the small dosage of bupe I'm on, and the small dosage of oxie, do I run the risk of precipitated withdrawal if I go back on bupe?

 

[catcalls]

all opiates are blocked

I'd have to disagree. Subutex does not block poppy tea, for instance, nor does it block Kratom tea. It only blocks heroin in my experience. How ever, when I took morphine for the first time, I did not get high. Perhaps it was the dose, or perhaps Subutex is just a morphine variant.

I know this because on drug tests my Drug worker said 'Hey morphine has shown up' I said I hadn't been using and he said 'Don't worry, I expected that because that will be the Subutex'...

 

[SubDude]

I just started back on bupe a few days ago after a mild oxie habit. After reading dozens of pages here (this forum is great), I thought I'd try to avoid getting on a high dose. I took two 30 mg oxies last Friday, and now I'm at about 2-3 mg of sublingual bupe a day (one to three 1mg doses), hoping to get even lower. I've got a question, though. I currently have one 30 mg oxie left, and I'm planning to take it this coming Monday. Given the small dosage of bupe I'm on, and the small dosage of oxie, do I run the risk of precipitated withdrawal if I go back on bupe?

If your only taking an episodic dose of 30mg of oxy you should be fine with your 1mg subs dose within 12 hrs... but 24 hrs would be better.

Your thinking is on the right track about geting your subs dose lower. See if you can work your way down to .50mg-1mg a day.

 

[jnicolas1980]

If your only taking an episodic dose of 30mg of oxy you should be fine with your 1mg subs dose within 12 hrs... but 24 hrs would be better.

Your thinking is on the right track about geting your subs dose lower. See if you can work your way down to .50mg-1mg a day.

I'm prescribed the 8 mg filmstrips. Is there a lower dose available, or do I have to cut up pieces into 1/16? I asked my doc last time I saw her, and she told me it's too early to start thinking about that or some b.s. (She thinks I'm on a higher dose, though.)

 

[SubDude]

I'm prescribed the 8 mg filmstrips. Is there a lower dose available, or do I have to cut up pieces into 1/16? I asked my doc last time I saw her, and she told me it's too early to start thinking about that or some b.s. (She thinks I'm on a higher dose, though.)

Mine thinks I'm on a higher dose too and many others here also take lower dose than prescribed. I honestly feel no different on .5mg vs 12 mg. and the side effects are not nearly as bad. I did a slow taper though.

I don't have strips but others who use strips have said they clip them so it should be no problem to measure and cut. At one point I taper to .25mg and used the liquid measure to dose which is also an option for you. Just cut one in half and add 4 ml's of water and take one ml for 1mg. Again I haven't used the strips but believe it would work the same as the tabs.

 

[jamesBrown]

Mine thinks I'm on a higher dose too and many others here also take lower dose than prescribed. I honestly feel no different on .5mg vs 12 mg. and the side effects are not nearly as bad. I did a slow taper though.

I don't have strips but others who use strips have said they clip them so it should be no problem to measure and cut. At one point I taper to .25mg and used the liquid measure to dose which is also an option for you. Just cut one in half and add 4 ml's of water and take one ml for 1mg. Again I haven't used the strips but believe it would work the same as the tabs.

Yes, I dont believe that the 2mg suboxone strips are available for sale "yet". I think my sub doc told me that they will take a little more time to come to market for some reason that I embarrassingly forgot.

Sry

 

[jnicolas1980]

Cool, thanks for the info.

Well, it appears my moment of decision has come. Unfortunately, my dependence on oxies was not from me trying to get high, but dealing with back pain and crohn's disease (the best way to keep from shitting myself and not hurt). My pain management doc got into some trouble for whatever reason (don't know the story), and I ended up having problems getting my last script, which is why I went on subs. Now I'm scheduled to see the pain doc for my monthly visit (next Monday) and I just learned they're gonna piss test me. Now I have to decide whether to try and quit the subs Friday and take my last oxie Monday, hoping I'll pass, or to just say fuck it and cancel the appointment. I hate this.

 

[Been&Done]

Got 60 x 8mg Subutex at the pharma, will probably pick up 10 or 20 max and make them my last. I love how it gave me my life back and that good, "life is ok" feeling, but it's been 3.5 months following 10 years of snorted H, is that the right time to try and be opiates-free? I'm sure everyone is different and all, but was really wondering if this is enough for me. After all, 10 years of addiction are 10 years! and even before that, i was almost daily drugged for 5 years, ranging from Codein, Rohypnol (a lot of it!) to LSD (33 beautiful trips) n E's....anyways, only meaning that i'v been drugged for all these years so will, let's say 4.5 months be enough to quit using tiny Sub doses then tapering with some kratom??
Then I enter Soberville from its main gate! TararaN. Oh, and my Soberville got a lot of weed Thank God.
Thought about asking my old Doc, only that i have to call him on the phone as he is in NY, but really, what could he add to me that will help me take this decision? I know myself, my body and my head better than anyone, and through forums like these we try and learn about the "real" deal of substances we consume, real life examples by real people.
I'm also thanking God for BL. I can only imagine those still taking 24 mg/day for months, just because the doc said so! It's irritating to know actually, and honestly people should educate themselves when dealing with potent medications, so thanx again BL; crew, mods and bluelighters

 

[jamesBrown]

Cool, thanks for the info.

Well, it appears my moment of decision has come. Unfortunately, my dependence on oxies was not from me trying to get high, but dealing with back pain and crohn's disease (the best way to keep from shitting myself and not hurt). My pain management doc got into some trouble for whatever reason (don't know the story), and I ended up having problems getting my last script, which is why I went on subs. Now I'm scheduled to see the pain doc for my monthly visit (next Monday) and I just learned they're gonna piss test me. Now I have to decide whether to try and quit the subs Friday and take my last oxie Monday, hoping I'll pass, or to just say fuck it and cancel the appointment. I hate this.

are you worried about passing the drug test with oxy in your system or the suboxone? sry im a bit hazy right now and im having a hard time figuring out which one you would be worried about showing up positive for on a DT. If its the subs I dont think you need to worry about anything. They dont usually test for subs anywhere except for when your actually prescribed them and they want to make sure your actually taking them.....cuz there not really considered an abused drug yet.
But if your worried about being positive for oxy, then just dont take them for a few days before the DT and drink alot of liquids(except for the day before). Maybe you cant do that though cuz of the pain your in, I dunno.
But anyway, were not really supposed to be talking about DT's in the first place here on BL.
Hope this helped.

 

[catbird]

I just started back on bupe a few days ago after a mild oxie habit. After reading dozens of pages here (this forum is great), I thought I'd try to avoid getting on a high dose. I took two 30 mg oxies last Friday, and now I'm at about 2-3 mg of sublingual bupe a day (one to three 1mg doses), hoping to get even lower. I've got a question, though. I currently have one 30 mg oxie left, and I'm planning to take it this coming Monday. Given the small dosage of bupe I'm on, and the small dosage of oxie, do I run the risk of precipitated withdrawal if I go back on bupe?

i don't think you'll get PW, but also don't think 30mgs will do a damn thing to you given your 2-3mgs of bupe. people have different results, but even at .5 a day and skipping a day i can't get a buzz on anything less than 80mgs. and even at that is weak.

while on the subject...i've noticed that when i use while on sub (i'm on .5 a day and wait 24hrs) i get all the normal effects from OCs without the euphoria. Like, my eyes are pinned, get constipated, weird 'seashell' sound in my ears, even itchyness, but i just don't feel the pleasure. anyone else? quite frustrating!

 

[jnicolas1980]

are you worried about passing the drug test with oxy in your system or the suboxone? sry im a bit hazy right now and im having a hard time figuring out which one you would be worried about showing up positive for on a DT. If its the subs I dont think you need to worry about anything. They dont usually test for subs anywhere except for when your actually prescribed them and they want to make sure your actually taking them.....cuz there not really considered an abused drug yet.
But if your worried about being positive for oxy, then just dont take them for a few days before the DT and drink alot of liquids(except for the day before). Maybe you cant do that though cuz of the pain your in, I dunno.
But anyway, were not really supposed to be talking about DT's in the first place here on BL.
Hope this helped.

Yeah, I'm worried about the sub showing up. I know someone else who tested positive for weed and the doc wouldn't write him an oxie script until he came back clean. I know they're testing to make sure I'm taking what they're giving me, but I'm afraid they'll find the other stuff too.

 

[IndustrialStrength]

Thanks for the warm toilet seat tidbit. i've never had a worse feeling than waking up sick and sitting on a freezing toilet seat when even being touched by a feather was more than i could handle. Just hideous. i've figured it out eventually, but its nice to know it's a common enough problem that people are working on solutions. It really was THE WORST. Thanks for caring.

Glad to see someone found my tip handy.

I'll try to keep my verbaciousness to a minimum today as I'm in a hurry.
Two days ago I stuck with my one dose of .75mg.
Yesterday I did .5mg then .25mg 12 hrs later.
I'm really hoping my body adjusts to sub's a bit better though.

So far my sub doses seem to only hold me about 12hrs before I start getting mild w/d's symptoms.
By 24 hrs I'm feeling pretty shitty TBH.
It's possible I'm under dosing but I don't really have the supplies to dose more.
Considering the cost & lack of availability in my area though I'm happy to have any at all though.
Opiates in my area have skyrocketed the last few months.
I'd go into it more but price discussion is forbidden so I won't.
I'm assuming the above is vague enough to not even flirt with being borderline.

I'm wondering if perhaps I should try split dosing & dose .25mg or .5mg when I wake followed by a .25mg 8-12hrs later.
It just seems that .5mg doesn't feel like enough so I prefer to do .75mg at once.
But seeing as I'm limited & I'd prefer to be lowering my dose not raising it I'm trying to stick to .75mg a day max with .5mg a day preferred.
Though my experiment yesterday suggests that 2 seperate doses are a better idea.

Being the holiday season it's even rougher.
Having friends come by & watching them shoot up, get high, etc. really puts me in a bad mood.
It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't have shit to get high on but I do, I'm just choosing not to.
So as to not interfere with this sub taper.

New Year's is the day I'm really dreading though, I'm so tempted to get high for a day.
Grab a bundle & shoot like half of it at once.
I don't normally IV but I've found that the more I taper the more I find the route appealing.
Hell I've been tempted to shoot my sub.
Oh & by don't normally IV I mean I've done it 5-10 times max.

Even with dope I just can't get over the risk factor & have a hard time being willing to do so without a micron.
I've never used a micron before but I feel that if I choose to use IV admin that I should.
It's a bit of a catch 22 though.
As I know if I buy micron's for occasional use that I'll find myself wanting to use IV admin more often.
So I haven't decided whether it's worth the additional mental pressure that acquiring them would bring.

Regardless I'm proud of myself that I've done as well as I have with that particular issue.
Everyone else I know that tried IV was unable to go back to any other route.
I tried it, went back to other routes & used it infrequently since; as I said about 5-10 times.
Those 5-10 times were over the course of 3-6 months so I figure that's better than average for those that have tried IV.

I apologize once again I find myself digressing but the IV thing popped into my head & I felt it would benefit my mental state to get it out.

Having one of those days, really thinking bout tomorrow & wanting to get high.
I just did my .5mg of sub day starter.
Decided to do a shot of vodka (yuck) not sure why.
Probably to try & kick in the rest of the shit I just popped to try & take the edge off.
Popped some soma & valium thinking bout adding some lyrica.
Maybe smoke some M-Amp as well, but kinda wanna save the amps for tomorrow though.
Ugh this day is just not going my way, very high craving day.
To top it off BL is taking like 5-10 min to load each page & pissing me off.

I kinda have to decide today if I wanna get high tomorrow.
Decisions, decisions.
If I do decide to get high tomorrow I'm likely to go with IV even if I don't have microns as at the cost of H in my area it's just not worth it otherwise.
Sigh, it's so tempting but I feel like it will fuck up my taper.
I know I can switch back to sub's & that I would just do it for 1 day but from prior experience even 1 day of getting high shoots my tolerance back through the roof.

Anyways I should digress I failed at not being verbacious but it's just one of those days.
Blasting some tunes & trying to get my head straight.
This song is fitting me atm & I'm listening to it so check the lyrics that I'm paying attention to if your interested.

NSFW:

Eden Synthetic Corps - Needle Catwalk

Feel the smell of pristine white
Taste the drug of endless nights
Say you're not prepared for this
See the source of all my bliss...

They're flashing like the bright stars
But your feet are on the needle catwalk baby

Well I hope everyone is having a better day than myself.
Best of luck to all with there maintenance & the holidays.
For me New Years & maintenance is a hell of a situation.
I hope others are having better luck handling it.

Normally I can handle things fine but christ the cravings are absurd atm.
I can do tons of other substances & may very well do so, but it's just not what I want.
Hell I'd be happy with a handful of tramadol to add to my sub's as that seems to help a surprising amount.
To anyone on sub's who wants to feel a little something it might not hit you the same but I find tramadol boosts sub's & gives you a bit of a buzz / better feeling.
Even if it's just the mood lift from tramadol's anti-depressant properties.

I'll go ahead & egress now before I post a whole pages worth of shit in one post as I could ramble on a lot more.

Best wishes to everyone for the New Year Holiday.
Be strong as if your like me everyone around you is getting high & you likely want to do the same.
I hope everyone is having a better day than I am.

Just wanted to add that seeing as I'm so verbacious if anyone has a problem with my long posts please let me know & I'll just NSFW each paragraph or something.
Don't want to irritate anyone with my massive posts.
Thanks.

 

[need some help]

Glad to see someone found my tip handy.

I'll try to keep my verbaciousness to a minimum today as I'm in a hurry.
Two days ago I stuck with my one dose of .75mg.
Yesterday I did .5mg then .25mg 12 hrs later.
I'm really hoping my body adjusts to sub's a bit better though.

So far my sub doses seem to only hold me about 12hrs before I start getting mild w/d's symptoms.
By 24 hrs I'm feeling pretty shitty TBH.
It's possible I'm under dosing but I don't really have the supplies to dose more.
Considering the cost & lack of availability in my area though I'm happy to have any at all though.
Opiates in my area have skyrocketed the last few months.
I'd go into it more but price discussion is forbidden so I won't.
I'm assuming the above is vague enough to not even flirt with being borderline.

I'm wondering if perhaps I should try split dosing & dose .25mg or .5mg when I wake followed by a .25mg 8-12hrs later.
It just seems that .5mg doesn't feel like enough so I prefer to do .75mg at once.
But seeing as I'm limited & I'd prefer to be lowering my dose not raising it I'm trying to stick to .75mg a day max with .5mg a day preferred.
Though my experiment yesterday suggests that 2 seperate doses are a better idea.

ar's is the day I'm really dreading though, I'm so tempted to get high for a day.
Grab a bundle & shoot like half of it at once.
I don't normally IV but I've found that the more I taper the more I find the route appealing.
Hell I've been tempted to shoot my sub.
Oh & by don't normally IV I mean I've done it 5-10 times max.

Even with dope I just can't get over the risk factor & have a hard time being willing to do so without a micron.
I've never used a micron before but I feel that if I choose to use IV admin that I should.
It's a bit of a catch 22 though.
As I know if I buy micron's for occasional use that I'll find myself wanting to use IV admin more often.
So I haven't decided whether it's worth the additional mental pressure that acquiring them would bring.

Regardless I'm proud of myself that I've done as well as I have with that particular issue.
Everyone else I know that tried IV was unable to go back to any other route.
I tried it, went back to other routes & used it infrequently since; as I said about 5-10 times.
Those 5-10 times were over the course of 3-6 months so I figure that's better than average for those that have tried IV.

I apologize once again I find myself digressing but the IV thing popped into my head & I felt it would benefit my mental state to get it out.

Having one of those days, really thinking bout tomorrow & wanting to get high.
I just did my .5mg of sub day starter.
Decided to do a shot of vodka (yuck) not sure why.
Probably to try & kick in the rest of the shit I just popped to try & take the edge off.
Popped some soma & valium thinking bout adding some lyrica.
Maybe smoke some M-Amp as well, but kinda wanna save the amps for tomorrow though.
Ugh this day is just not going my way, very high craving day.
To top it off BL is taking like 5-10 min to load each page & pissing me off.

I kinda have to decide today if I wanna get high tomorrow.
Decisions, decisions.
If I do decide to get high tomorrow I'm likely to go with IV even if I don't have microns as at the cost of H in my area it's just not worth it otherwise.
Sigh, it's so tempting but I feel like it will fuck up my taper.
I know I can switch back to sub's & that I would just do it for 1 day but from prior experience even 1 day of getting high shoots my tolerance back through the roof.

Anyways I should digress I failed at not being verbacious but it's just one of those days.
Blasting some tunes & trying to get my head straight.
This song is fitting me atm & I'm listening to it so check the lyrics that I'm paying attention to if your interested.

NSFW:

Eden Synthetic Corps - Needle Catwalk

Feel the smell of pristine white
Taste the drug of endless nights
Say you're not prepared for this
See the source of all my bliss...

They're flashing like the bright stars
But your feet are on the needle catwalk baby

Well I hope everyone is having a better day than myself.
Best of luck to all with there maintenance & the holidays.
For me New Years & maintenance is a hell of a situation.
I hope others are having better luck handling it.

Normally I can handle things fine but christ the cravings are absurd atm.
I can do tons of other substances & may very well do so, but it's just not what I want.
Hell I'd be happy with a handful of tramadol to add to my sub's as that seems to help a surprising amount.
To anyone on sub's who wants to feel a little something it might not hit you the same but I find tramadol boosts sub's & gives you a bit of a buzz / better feeling.
Even if it's just the mood lift from tramadol's anti-depressant properties.

I'll go ahead & egress now before I post a whole pages worth of shit in one post as I could ramble on a lot more.

Best wishes to everyone for the New Year Holiday.
Be strong as if your like me everyone around you is getting high & you likely want to do the same.
I hope everyone is having a better day than I am.

Just wanted to add that seeing as I'm so verbacious if anyone has a problem with my long posts please let me know & I'll just NSFW each paragraph or something.
Don't want to irritate anyone with my massive posts.
Thanks.

Same boat. Newly subbed, the holidays are really tough. i miss my sweet sweet opiates, but i really want to stay off this time. i've been pretty pissed all day, as a matter of fact, hookup day for all the friends, shit-eating grins and the world is wonderful chirping. Its hard to watch, and i'm trying to separate a bit... its nice to have BL just to feel connected to someone in the same situations, without having to deal with NA or some other public, in-person kind of thing.... Good luck, whatever you decide....