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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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Kid Amine said:
you can IV subs, I wouldnt say safely, the nalaxone doesnt do shit imo as buprenorphine has higher affinity for receptors than other opiates or nalaxone. most of all, you will get NO rush from banging subs. I wish you could, or I could rather lol, but you cannot get a rush from injecting subs.

did I mention that you get no rush from banging subs? Im a long time IV user, done lots of different opiates, my fiance too, and neither of us, as much as we both have hardcore addictions and needle fixations, will bang subs. When we get them we eat them, well, let them dissolve under our tongues, tho the taste gags her much more than it does me. I dont even snort em.

It is also both of our opinions that you cannot "stretch" a sub by banging it.
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This states exactly what I was going to say. There was a time when I only shot suboxone, but eventually switched back to sublingual and found that ROA actually suited me best. If you're looking for a rush, you most likely will not get one. Some people do report a delayed rush, though I never have. I personally think plugging is a way better alternative as it has the same onset, but a MUCH longer duration.
 
We don't mean to be anal, we just want people to get the best possible replies :)

ROA questions often belong in BDD but as it's been 24 hrs now and you've only got a couple I'll try it in OD.. if you're snorting it you want to only have a tiny bit of water, or use a nasal spray dispenser. I can't imagine inserting the strio into your nose would be very effective (or pleasant). Cotton balls up your nose will probably retain quite a large amount of the buprenorphine solution; I'd imagine you would absorb more drug by taking the strips as directed..

BDD > OD
 
HEY fellas quick question...
ive been searching google and UTMFSE! on here.... but cant find much help....

are there anymore suboxone film discount cards anymore?

all i was able to find was a 50$ copay discount, but im a lil comnfused.... does that mean i need to have insurance helping me to use that card?

i currently have no insurance and am paying straight outta my own pocket btw fellas....

any help yal can offer is greatly appreciated, i have my sub doc appt today but im scrapping by as is and about to run outta subs :/...

thanks in advance ;)

L!GHTS -
 
if i took .5 mg of suboxone how long before it wont block other opiatess?

I want to shoot some heroin but i took a single dose of .5 mg of suboxone 5 hours ago because i was really sick and was having such a hard time waiting for my dealer to call. he called me about 5 minutes after i took the subox and i got some dope.
 
what sort of habit do you have, I have found small amounts of suboxone won't be enough to fill your receptors and its very likely if you have an average tolerance that the dope will still have an effect. i'm sure i've read somewhere that bupe in small doses is actually able to boost opiate effects. i have taken 2mgs and still felt effects
 
not that i would advise it, just because it might work doesnt mean its worth doing, are you still feeling sick, or do you just want to feel a rush?
 
Honestly there is no way that .5mg, even with chronic users will block heroin. You would feel at least 75% of the effects, if it's one time use, it shouldn't effect the heroin at all, if anything I'd worry that it might potentiate it and increase likeliness for resperitory depression.

I'm going move this into the Suboxone/Buprenorphine Megathread and FAQ, which I where questions like this belong, and have most likely already been answered.
 
I was still VERY sick after I took the suboxone, I really didnt feel any relief from it at all. I did the heroin and although I definitely felt it, i also think the subox is blocking it somehow. The high just doesnt last long and I still have leg cramps and insomnia. Man this sucks, I cant believe how efficient suboxojne is at blocking opiates, even when you take such a small dose of suboxone that you dont feel any relief from it whatsoever. It definitely didnt block it completely, but I would say it blocked almost 40% of it.

and yes this was one time use of suboxone. How long does it take to absorb under the tongue btw? I put about 1 mg under my tongue, and then spit it out 4 minutes later when my dealer called. Thats why I estimate I absorbed .5 mg because I definitely spit out at least half of it.
 
Well, supposedly the absorption reaches its maximum level through this ROA around 10 minutes (source). However, sublingual BA is 30% so 1 mg is really more like .3mg through IV use. I'm really shocked that you don't feel the heroin. When I'm not taking suboxone for maintenance I can usually get high the same day after taking way higher dosages of bupe, but everyone is different. Though you might feel horrible now, be comforted by the fact that while the suboxone seems to be blocking the heroin's effects now, it won't for very long at such a tiny dose.
 
im just curious how many of you use high doses of suboxone while simultaneously using opiates? i use 16/4- 24/6 mgs of suboxone (bubrenophine/nalaxone) every day for about 10 months now, and i still can use opiates (dilaudid, oxycodone(but any codone based drug has to be in extremely high amounts), fentanyl(duh), and morphine while still on the suboxone and i get high as shit.) in fact... i get high off the suboxone if i take 4-8 strips a day. nod out and all. i hear that people say its bullshit, but fuck you, it works wonders for me... just curious as to if i have some fucked up metabolism, or if im just one of the few people who know that buprenorphine is nothing more than synthetic morphine so obviously you're going to get high no matter what you mix it with.
 
hey all. i started my own thread about my situation getting off methadone and onto suboxone, but i thought i would run this by you all since i may get more responses.

i was on 70 mg of methadone for the past month or so, 40 mg for the most part of 3 years i was on mmt. so, i was a complete idiot, jumped off and am just now, on day 6/day 2 of suboxone, feeling mostly normal. ANYWHO, what r your thoughts on a fast(ish) taper from here, lets say a month. seems to me no matter when i get off of maintenance drugs it is going to suck, so why not just keep going down from here???
 
What full agonists were you taking before using buprenorphine (suboxone/subutex)? I ask because if you were using heroin/codeine/morphine/hydromorphone or any other opiates (though hydromorphone is an opioid, though it is a morphine derivative) , then the reason is probably because you are not used to Thebaine derived opioids, such as oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydrocodone and of course, buprenorphine.

Those familiar with the Thebaine class will probably not find buprenorphine to be too stimulating, but I can see some heroin-only users being taken aback. Personally, I only find bupe to be stimulating after a period of stability at a low dose (<2mg). With no tolerance, suboxone feels identical to any other opioid in my oppinion, it just last longer, and it's a little bit harder to fall asleep. I've heard some claim that it also causes more nausea, though I've never experienced that either, though I've witnessed it plenty.

Your best bet is to try and adjust your dose. At 1mg/day I found suboxone to give a very pleasant feeling, similar to a low dose of methadone (actually, almost identical-just not as long lasting). The stimulation would be there during the onset, but I'd then often fade into a nice calm mood lift, and sometimes even drift into a nod.
 
everybody check out the generic bupe made by MIDLOTHIAN. they make tiny 8mg bupe pills with seriously less inactive ingredients. best and cheapest version i have found.
 
WilliamSBurroughs said:
im just curious how many of you use high doses of suboxone while simultaneously using opiates? i use 16/4- 24/6 mgs of suboxone (bubrenophine/nalaxone) every day for about 10 months now, and i still can use opiates (dilaudid, oxycodone(but any codone based drug has to be in extremely high amounts), fentanyl(duh), and morphine while still on the suboxone and i get high as shit.) in fact... i get high off the suboxone if i take 4-8 strips a day. nod out and all. i hear that people say its bullshit, but fuck you, it works wonders for me... just curious as to if i have some fucked up metabolism, or if im just one of the few people who know that buprenorphine is nothing more than synthetic morphine so obviously you're going to get high no matter what you mix it with.
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so much to learn, do some research on bupes high affinity towards receptors, and bupe is not synthetic morphine that would be hydromorphone, bupe is derived from only one of many alkaloids that make up powerful morphine, and that alkaloid is thebaine. im sorry but your metabolism isnt an issue but your mis understanding opioids/ opiates seems to be the culprit hope i helped!
 
Even when on daily buprenorphine you can "break through" with full agonists, but even in moderate doses of full agonist while on bupe you can feel some of the effect as SOME of the full agonist will find a few empty receptors but will none the less be knocked off that receptor by the bupe still in your system.and metabolism of drugs has nothing to do with the "weight " metabolism that you may have. like someone being real skinny and saying i metabolize the drugs faster is silly.
 
I have been trying to quit Suboxone after almost three years on it and it's tough as hell, I weened down way too rapidly because I could barely get them anymore and don't have the money or insurance for a doctor. I went from 4mg a day to 2mg a day in a week and now I have 1mg for one more day before I either find another one or have to work through the weekend in withdrawals, which I don't know how the hell I'm going to just, I just hope I don't lose my job. I really hate how long the Suboxone withdrawals are, it's excruciating. Some people have even told me that it is worse than Methadone withdrawals, but I have no idea if there is any truth to that considering I never withdrew from Methadone.

I wish I would have quit this shit when I was collecting unemployment pay, now I have to try to do it while working a tough and shitty job and the anxiety alone is almost unbearable. I have been thinking of getting back on pain killers because at this point I'm really thinking that 5 days of Oxycodone withdrawals would be better than this, but considering the insane price of them around here I would never be able to afford it for more than a few days. I also thought about going to the Methadone clinic and trying to ween myself down with Methadone, but after reading all of the horror stories about it I think that would probably make things worse.
 
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ThaKid85 said:
Even when on daily buprenorphine you can "break through" with full agonists....
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True ThaKid85, unfortunately not enough to be worth it imho. Especially if it's a Sub preparation. Would be interesting to see some studies on the subject though.

ThaKid85 said:
.....and metabolism of drugs has nothing to do with the "weight " metabolism that you may have. like someone being real skinny and saying i metabolize the drugs faster is silly.
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Just to play devils advocate, it is a factor when planning a tx for someone. (but agreed not to the point being explained in that post) ;)


Mafila said:
I have been trying to quit Suboxone after almost three years on it and it's tough as hell, I weened down way too rapidly because I could barely get them anymore and don't have the money or insurance for a doctor.....
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Hmm, that is sad! Mafila, I feel for you brother. Luckily here in Aus it's (more or less) entirely free. You have to pay a for the dosing but that's imposed by the pharmacy itself - generally $25/wk, regardless of the dose.

Mafila said:
...... I really hate how long the Suboxone withdrawals are, it's excruciating. Some people have even told me that it is worse than Methadone withdrawals, but I have no idea if there is any truth to that considering I never withdrew from Methadone.....
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Unfortunately WD is inevitable regardless of the drug in question. I can't speak from experiences, and in fact I've heard roughly 50/50 regarding the WD from bupe v. 'done. Didn't your ORT include a tapering off plan for the end?

My thoughts are with ya Mafila! Maybe checkout the WD thread for support/tips? :/
 
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