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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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yeah, we all need more of THAT ^^! Thanks mate

I've gotten down to 4mg from 16mg. I used to be on such a low dose years ago. My problem was that I found taking more, well, felt better. One day I took a ridiculous amount but felt very warm and comfy, nodding if you will. The hardest part is the mental cravings that Ive had lately. I dont think im ready to jump off yet...
 
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I have been off bupe for 10 days now and so far its been basically painless. I had been on bupe for 4 years and during that time tapered from 16mg daily down to 0.1mg. I had some leg cramps for the first few days and sleep has not been great but overall there were no serious WD's. After reading some of the opinions in this thread about how its impossible, or that you will be in hell for months I just wanted to share a success story. If you taper slowly and get down to a very low does its very doable to stop and continue a normal life.
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Congratulations! I wish you the very best with continued sobriety and full recovery.
 
I've been getting the Hi-Tech brand 8 mg buprenorphine & am quite pleased w/ it. About the same size as a heart-smart aspirin & easy to cut into forths (w/ a pill cutter) only binder is powdered sugar & tiny amount
cellulose 2-4 mg every other day seems good for chasing away the blah's & urges (for myself) anybody else
being prescribed this brand ?

I've called around & some compounding pharmacies make .65 mg Bupe' lozenges - (touces) sp?
 
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I was prescribed Teva (Subutex) for 3 years previous, effects are the same. Everybody thinks generic bupe' is cheap -
& it might be... it sounds like out of pocket price in the mid-west & east coast is about 75% less than it is on the west coast here. My pain specialist (after years of trial & error) found that small amount of buprenorphine in conjunction w/ a full pain opiate greatly reduces the rebound effects which helped me tremendously.
I have found that if you put it under your tounge in the morning (when you are not producing saliva)
it takes longer to dissolve & is way more effective
 
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Ive been told that taking doses below 2mg are stronger because u'r getting effected by both bupe & its metabolite norbupe which is more recreational. At doses above 2mg bupe starts to saturate the receptors the norbupe would use to give effects

i want to know the exact dose when norbupe starts to become inactive due to bupe saturating to many opiate receptors?

in general what have ppls experience been with different dosages?
which doses gave u the most euphoria?
 
Yo, Dont know about the norbupe dose thing.. Actually never heard about of such a metabolite, interesting!!
I never use buprenorphine recreationally more than maby 1,0 - 1,5mgs, I can nod out of 0,8mg too but 1,0 - 1,5mgs is like a proper set for me :)
I usually snort it.
Hmm... Might just enjoy today, got about 1mg of xone and a quarter of a Norspan-Patch !!

Enjoy and dont slip with this shit! Ppl here are abusing sick amounts of this substance even if it is active around 0,4mg if used right and tolerance is low. I know many of guys here are treating an addiction so some of you nuggets might need the sick amount but you know :--)
 
diazepaman said:
Ive been told that taking doses below 2mg are stronger because u'r getting effected by both bupe & its metabolite norbupe which is more recreational. At doses above 2mg bupe starts to saturate the receptors the norbupe would use to give effects

i want to know the exact dose when norbupe starts to become inactive due to bupe saturating to many opiate receptors?

in general what have ppls experience been with different dosages?
which doses gave u the most euphoria?
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This, of course, will vary from person to person. I find two dosages of 4mg at different times of day to be more effective than 8mg at the same dosing interval. Frankly, I don't think it's really possible for any of us to give your a specific factual point in time for what you're interested in.

I mean, everything we tell you is gonna be subjective, unless in my absence some new awesome research has come out about norbupe that I am unaware of. This does not mean it's insignificant, it's just a little disclaimer.

But that being said, subjectively, especially from people who IM/IV their suboxone, 0.25-2mg (thus for people who use their bupe sublingually as I recently was using it, this is more like 1-4mg given lower BA) seems to provide for more of your traditional agonist effects, although of course some aspects to the experience are somewhat lessened from larger, say like 4mg, dosages.

I find the agonist effects of bupe, when taken sublingually, to drastically increase from 0-4mg. From 4-6mg they still increase but at a slower rate. From 6-8mg they don't seem to change too much, although I seem to find that the analgesic effects will still increase to 8mg and above (although the more you take the less it seems to increase).

On a side note though, the antagonist qualities of bupe seem to peak at 16mg (not subjective - see package insert). After 16mg the antagonist effects of bupe seem to pretty much stay constant (or at least there is no real statistical increase). Just an aside, like I said, but hear me out: Between 2-4mg and 16mg the antagonist effect of bupe seems to slowly increase, while it's agonist properties seem to slowly decrease. Between 0.25mg and 2-4mg bupe's agonist properties seem to rise very quickly, while it's antagonist properties don't seem to fluctuate (relatively speaking) greatly. Other than my first figure/statement, this is pretty much all subjective based on my own experiences and what I've heard from others. I'd love to draw a graph for this, but some bastard stole my tablet... well, that, and I can't move my hands too well atm :( take pity on me damn you!!

Moe-D said:
Enjoy and dont slip with this shit! Ppl here are abusing sick amounts of this substance even if it is active around 0,4mg if used right and tolerance is low. I know many of guys here are treating an addiction so some of you nuggets might need the sick amount but you know :--)
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A word to the wise, indeed. When I first started using suboxone, on the black market, with no intention of using it to get clean (I just wanted to use it to get high, which it certainly did for me :)) I was more than able to stretch 16mg over the course of 8-10 days. Basically sniffing up to 2mg a day, normally a little less. And I was gone all day. As said, this is when I didn't have a tolerance (to bupe or other opioids, as I'd recently taken a long break due to work related issue and drug tests and the like).

So yea, good point to make: Bupe is strong stuff! Of course, this all changes when using it to treat a moderate to severe heroin addiction or something, but to someone who is just used to popping a perc or vicodin once in a while, you really gotta go easy on the bupe. Shoot, the first time I took it, I took 1mg or so instrnasally and another 1mg or so sublingually. I was super high and sick at the same time for like two hours. It was awesome (except for the vomiting and nose bleed, but even then, still awesome :)).
 
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but to someone who is just used to popping a perc or vicodin once in a while, you really gotta go easy on the bupe
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Yeah, go eezy with it! Like me, but still highhh off it hahahh :))

Does anybody here know a good proper way to extract buprenorphine from a norspan patch?
The easiest and most effective way of course!
 
;) no, you missunderstand me. I didn't mean to be condescending... although I guess I did come off as such. The thing is, I'd give almost anything (well, if I wasn't a pseudo-taoist maybe) to be in your shoes.

Nothing is nicer than simply having to take four percs and being totally opiated for the evening... Ah, good times, good times.
 
Just for some added information, I saw in the V.13 thread that people were saying Suboxone doctors will never RX benzos with subs or any other controlled medicine. I just recently got on subs, my 2nd appt was today, and from day one My doctor STARTED me off with 24mg Bupe per day, 30mg Diazepam per day, 200mg Trazadone per night, 300mg Buproprion XL per day, and he told me to let him know if the Trazadone doesnt work well and I can switch to either 30 or 60mg Temazepam per night instead as I originally requested. So next visit in controlled substances my one doctor will be RXing 90x8/2mg Suboxone strips each month, 90x10mg Valium tablets each month, and 60x30mg Restoril Capsules (Temazepam) each month. This was the first doctor I went to see as he was the closest to my school and I told him the meds that worked for me in the past and he just agreed and wrote out the scripts at the dosages I requested. <NO PRICE DISCUSSION> Way better deal than paying that same amount to get one 30mg Oxy IR pill or a .1 of dope, lol its crazy that I can be satisfied legally for a month for the same cost as maybe 1/3rd of a fix that would last 4 hours max....
 
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benzos + maintenance drugs are not a good idea.


However, it is legal if you are previously prescribed benzos from a physician other than your suboxone doctor. Do not expect your sub doctor to write your xanax scripts.

With methadone clinics, the rules vary. Some don't allow any benzos, (yet some don't do a thing if you test positive), most allow benzos as long as you can prove your psychiatrist (outside of the maintenance program preferably).

But I do not advice benzos w/ opiates.
 
Hey guys quick question: has anyone had experience with taking a dose of methadone after waiting 24 hrs (from last sub dose) while on suboxone maintainance? I'm on 8mg of sub and have 50mg of 'done that I'm thinking of taking 24 hrs after my last dose of sub but I'm unsure of how much to safely take.. I used to be on methadone but swapped to suboxone a few months ago and still have 50ml of 'done saved up and well golly I just feel like a mellow day of methadone. I know this isn't the best idea so please refrain from any comments dissuading me to do it, I appreciate your concern but I am going to do this and just want to be sure I'm taking as much precaution as I can. If you have had experience with this let me know how it went and if you think 50mg is too much or too little - the opiate conversion charts I have studied so far seem to indicate that I would need to take a dose much higher than what I have but I am not putting my life on the line solely based on potentially spurious research slapped up on the Internet. Ive used the search engine but can't find anything substantial. Any helpful advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks team.
 
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