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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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This happened to me when I snorted some sub after not being on it for a long while. It doesn't seem to happen if I take it under the tongue, or if I'm trying to go to sleep hours after I take it, which is normally the case.

The time it happened really bad, I was exhausted and trying to take a nap, but I also had just snorted some sub and I was twitching like a bastard lying there lol

I'm glad I am not the only one
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that happened to me last night because i didn't take enough suboxone. i dropped my dose again to a very tiny sliver and when laying in bed i kept twitching and tossing non stop for an hour or 2. i had to get up and take a little more and smoke a cig and then when i went back to bed it didn't happen and i fell asleep. i never got it from taking too much suboxone.

im really stuck at a crossroad here. i want to make a doctor appt to ask for clonodine and valium but i dont know if he will give it to me and it costs 120 dollars for the appt, which is a lot for me. i need some advice for this final jump of my opiate life. i cant take time off work either and only have the next 2 days off.
 
fuck it, made an appointment for tomorrow and im just gonna outright ask for valium and clonodine. i just hope he understands and doesn't have them whole "theyre addictive you cant have them" mentality.
 
might want to ask for baclofen instead of valium. Its a gaba-b agonist which is more effective for muscle twitching and its not as notorious as valium as being a drug of abuse.
 
uno22 said:
That depends -- are you completely opiate naive? Was it a 2 mg strip or 8 mg?

Either way, that was a pretty dumb move by your coworker to give you that. Suboxone shouldn't be used for analgesia especially in a high dose in an opiate naive person
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I've used vicodin before... years ago.

He gave me a fraction of a strip... was barely bigger than the width of a tooth-pick
 
dcraver877 said:
might want to ask for baclofen instead of valium. Its a gaba-b agonist which is more effective for muscle twitching and its not as notorious as valium as being a drug of abuse.
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im more concerned about the valium for use during the day as i wont be able to take time off work. something to calm me down during the day and downtime to take my mind off the hell i'll be in.

would baclofen be recomended over clonadine for sleeping / RLS?

oh well. doctor appointment in 45 minutes. wish me luck that i can get the scripts i want and be able to finally live life without the use of medication every day.

got the scripts! 40x5mg valium and 10 clonadine! now begins the sweaty horrible part
 
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sorry for constant posts, just looking for support. the first night went great actually. took my last dose at 6 am tues morning (.1mg) and went to bed at 10:30 at night. woke up feeling good at 7:30 weds morning. had a few tossing and kicking during the night, like 2 or 3 times, but i got right back to sleep so no biggie.

its 10 am right now and im starting to get very very mild symptoms. nothing serious but tomorrow my 5 day work week starts and im a little nervous about that, plus i need about 20mg valium to feel anything.

anyone have any support or anything to give me? i got my plan down pretty much and made a really good home made chicken soup, got all the OTC stuff i need, etc. got a sober girlfriend. gonna be standing doing fast physical work for the next 5 days at 8 hours a day though.
 
Just found this while browsing, more information on the recreational and illicit use of Buprenorphine around the world.

A number of posts have been made regarding the use of IV Buprenorphine along with anti-histamine potentiators for increased sedation/nod and/or a rush. Typically the discussion revolves around Diphenhydramine, Hydroxyzine and Promethazine.

In Asia (and in the study India inpaticular) the common IV combination involves the OTC anti-histamine Pheniramine (brand name Avil). India is one of a handful of countries with a serious underground Buprenorphine subculture of recreational use and addiction. Whats interesting about Pheniramine is that it is related to several common anti-histamines in the West that have no beneficial additive effects when injected with Buprenorphine or other opioids (Chlorpheniramine, Triprolidine, Brompheniramine).

The article from the UNODC incorrectly lists Avil as Chlorpheniramine; which while related, is not the same drug, and is not the drug present in brand name Avil tablets.

Injectable buprenorphine is used in many cities.
Combinations of buprenorphine with diazepam and
Avil are popular and often referred to as CAT
(Calmpose, Avil and Tidigesic). Buprenorphine
is injected in Delhi, Chennai, Kolkata,
Thiruvananthapuram, Jamshedpur, Amritsar, Mumbai
and Ahmedabad.
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http://www.unodc.org/pdf/india/publ...n_India-Monograph/09_drugsthatareinjected.pdf

Avil Tablets contain pheniramine maleate, a medicine used to treat allergic conditions such as hayfever, runny nose, itching skin and skin rashes. It is also used in the prevention and treatment of inner ear disorders (eg Meniere's disease) and travel sickness.
Avil is one of a group of medicines called 'antihistamines' which works by blocking the action of histamine.
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http://www.racgp.org.au/cmi/swcavilt.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avil
 
Hello fellow dopeheads,

I have had an over 10 year relationship with opiates. I've done most of them, and over the past 10-11 years I've been physically addicted for about 6 or 7 years with my longest addiction being to morphine for about 4 years straight. I've been addicted to Morphine, Oxycontin, Hydrocodone, and Tramadol. My longest clean streak in that period of time has been about a year. I've gone through 3 horrible withdrawals and multiple "minor" withdrawals during that time, but for some reason I keep going back. I get bad panic attacks and severe cravings along with some depression here and there although I don't really consider myself depressed.

I have heard that once you get on Methadone (don't want to do that) or Suboxone (my preferred option) that it is extremely hard to stop because the withdrawals are long and drawn out, so it's more of a safe maintenance rather than a detox tool.

Should I consider going to a doc and getting on Sub maintenance? I'm currently physically addicted to opiates at this time unfortunatily . Have anybody in a simlilar situation to mine gotten on subs and are happier? Any one regretted it? I'm seriously considering this as an option. Thanks for any help....
 
^you can try suboxone. 10 years is a long time to be hooked on opiates on and off, and you seem like a good candidate for maintenance. Though it is difficult to quit suboxone. I took it for two years and am currently trying to quit it. I'd suggest going with suboxone over methadone for a few reasons. First off, it can be prescribed by doctors. That means you wont have to go to a clinic every morning to get a dose. Second, it isn't as dangerous when mixed with benzos and the like as methadone is. It's pretty common for someone to die from mixing their methadone dose with benzos or alcohol but this is rare with suboxone.

Also, from what I've heard, it seems suboxone withdrawal is a bit milder than methadone, but let me tell you, it's no walk in the park. I'd say try suboxone but don't stay on it for 2 years like i did. Try to keep it to under a year, and have a good taper plan as well as time off work/sleep aids and such set out for when you are ready to detox. One problem is suboxone is quite expensive if you don't have health insurance, but think if it this way, you will probably save money in the long run considering you wont be spending all that money on whatever opiate you are currently using daily.




I've been off suboxone for 4 days now. It was pretty rough the first couple days, i was very restless and my anxiety was giving me stomach problems. I was using xanax/ativan at night to get sleep which worked out alright. I got some kratom in the mail today and was pleasantly surprised by how well it worked. I got a little over 2 ounces of kratom in 102 capsules. I took 6 as soon as i got them and about a 30-45 minutes later i felt my withdrawal symptoms disappear for the most part.

A few hours later i took 6 more. The kratom has seemed to eliminate nearly all of my withdrawal symptoms. A little bit ago i took .5mg of xanax and i gotta say i don't even feel like I'm kicking sub right now. I'm still a little restless and slightly cold but its nothing compared to how i was crawling out of my skin last night. Perfect that this stuff works because i really needed something to help me get through work.

Thank god for kratom. This stuff is going to make my quitting suboxone very manageable. I just gotta make sure I don't take the kratom for too long, or go too overboard with it.
 
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Something weird I've noticed recently when switching from bupe back onto a full agonist (in my case, heroin) is that if I am taking dope too soon after suboxone, to the point where some-to-all of the dope's effects will be muted, I get this uncomfortable feeling in my nose as soon as I sniff my dope. It feels almost as if somebody lightly punched me in the nose. The inside of the top of my nose will feel "sore" right after I do a line, and this only happens in situations where I can, in a way, sense a fight going on inside of my head between the bupe and the heroin. I don't know to what extent this is just me suggesting a physical struggle upon my imaginative mind, but as far as I can tell there is a definite correlation between this feeling and getting ahead of myself when transitioning back to a full agonist. Does anyone else feel anything like this, or even remotely know what I am getting at? It does not have to be a feeling within the nose, but like an heightened noticing of a struggle going on between the bupe and the other drug within your body?
 
Over one month without any buprenorphine.

I jumped off at 4mg if you can believe that, it was one of those spontaneous acts powered by 'the force of and from the ethers'. Large bottles of tramadol and loperamide became my best friends; they traveled everywhere with me. The tramadol has been removed from the taper diet, and we are strictly at loperamide now.

I have personally saved a boone-load of money (that's quite a bit here in the back 40). No expensive appointments or scripts. My skin feels very ackward still, as if it is about half as thin as it should be. This feeling is mostly noticeable 48 hours after my last loperamide dose. Other than that, I feel MUCH better than when I was on bupe. I feel more like myself than I have in years. People around me notice it, too. It's in the laugh especially.

The first week or two on bupe was very nice, then it just became a crutch that I began to hate. I felt so small, weak, and immature taking that buprenorphine every day (or several times a day). I don't feel like that anymore.

I have read plenty of threads regarding this method, and surprisingly quite a few individuals have made it this way (off opiates). It is *MUCH* easier (for me of course) to taper with 2mg loperamide caplets than itty-bitty pieces of powerful narcotics under the tongue. I mean what the hell, quite a large portion of us have horrific/unbearable withdrawals from the most absolute miniscule amount of these strips we are given. You think that would be a sign to *MAKE SMALLER DOSES*. Oh wait, I forgot, there is no withdrawal associated with buprenorphine (that is sarcasm).

I feel sorry for the people who are trying to get off bupe, and unfortunately I see this:

codeine -> vicodin -> buprenorphine -> taper

that is ridiculous. to anyone who is considering going on suboxone because of a hydrocodone habit... DON'T. you might as well be going on methadone as far as I am concerned; the withdrawals are similar (bupe vs methadone) from *my* experience. Buprenorphine is probably worse because of the EVER-LONG DURATION. I can't stand to have withdrawals for MONTHS and MONTHS; let's just get it OVER with! This wasn't a concern for me when going on suboxone because there was hardly any speculation at all regarding this. All I read was "no withdrawal" or "a few weeks of fatigue"... BULLSHIT! The amount of money being made getting people hooked on suboxone must be phenomenal! I say this again, DON'T go on suboxone for a vicodin habit! Suboxone is SERIOUS SHIT! Months and MONTHS of withdrawal that seems to NEVER end!!!

I just wanted share my positive experience of the switch from suboxone to tramadol and loperamide to just loperamide. If you are adamant about getting off opiates/oids, loperamide seems to be the golden ticket. -2mg OTC caplets- You could drop 1mg every day, every other day, or hell even every week. It's not near painless, it *is* painless. Not to mention it doesn't gobble up your bank account.

That's my update. I hope this makes a difference for someone. I feel like a million bucks compared to the strip days.
 
RedLeader said:
Something weird I've noticed recently when switching from bupe back onto a full agonist (in my case, heroin) is that if I am taking dope too soon after suboxone, to the point where some-to-all of the dope's effects will be muted, I get this uncomfortable feeling in my nose as soon as I sniff my dope. It feels almost as if somebody lightly punched me in the nose. The inside of the top of my nose will feel "sore" right after I do a line, and this only happens in situations where I can, in a way, sense a fight going on inside of my head between the bupe and the heroin. I don't know to what extent this is just me suggesting a physical struggle upon my imaginative mind, but as far as I can tell there is a definite correlation between this feeling and getting ahead of myself when transitioning back to a full agonist. Does anyone else feel anything like this, or even remotely know what I am getting at? It does not have to be a feeling within the nose, but like an heightened noticing of a struggle going on between the bupe and the other drug within your body?
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That's really interesting, does anyone else experience this? I'm very experienced with bupe but not with switching back and forth too much...
 
Well, I am pretty sure this is the place to ask. I'm gonna kick suboxone, I think I'm ready. I've been clean from dope for 101 days with no relapse, am down to <.5mg sublingually (on that for about a week), and it has been about 42 hours since my last dose. I'm stocking up on immodium, valerian root, kava, I have clonidine, benzos, pot, movies. I am a bit worried, and am looking for any other suggestions people may have.

I have detoxed from oxy, dope, dillies, all kinds of stuff. So this isn't quite new. I've done it in detox, and out. I know it's gonna suck, but I'm ready for that part finally I think. Staying at the 'rents for the process, and they will help if they can.
 
Thing with bupe is that it should only be used as a SHORT TERM way of getting off whatever other opiate. Otherwise you will just swap one addiction for another. I have sucessfully detoxed more than once using just 5 8mg subs over a peroid of 10 days. It's very doable, and I am infact starting yet another cleanup tomorrow as I only have 1 bag of the other left.
 
^ If someone is looking to switch one addiction for another, it's not a bad choice. It's certainly better than continuing an addiction to most other opiates.
 
ORT including subs is absolutely the best choice for many who are drug dependent and/or "addicts". It takes away legal and some health risks and allows most to live a relatively better and healthier life.
 
Worth IV'ing subutex/bupe on 130mg meth?

This thread is huge so it may well have been covered but is it ok/worth it to IV subutex/buprenorphine while on methadone? I'm currently on 140mg meth and have loads of leftover sub'd from previous prescriptions.
Cheers guys.
 
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