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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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Hahaha, Ollie. You shoulda just put this in new member introductions.

You never really even asked a question, I'm just saying dog.

See you later b
 
Thank God for Suboxone as well as my parents for assisting me with the hellacious cost of those little orange bastards, but its those little orange bastards that have allowed me to go snowboarding WAAY more than I would have had I still been pedal to the metal several days outta the week on the interstate to Baltimore to get heroin.

I also wanted to say thank you fellow BL'ers, thank you for providing information to those whom otherwise would have been misinformed, thank you for offering words of encouragement, advice and counsel as well. The internet is a beautiful thing, and I think Bluelight has certainly contributed much to it becoming that way.
 
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Not to put a damper on the love fest but fuck suboxone. Im done with the little bastards and especially the prick doctors who prescribe them. Any way I have been on 8mg a day for 3 months. Ok so i started my taper today from 4mg twice a day to 2mg twice a day. But Im thinking if stopped taking subs until I went into withdraw then started shooting heroin or OC how much would I need to do to become dependant on them instead of the subs? Like im thinking 5 days of withdrawl is better then 2 weeks.

Another crazy idea I had was what if I did the plan above then did a quick like 5 day suboxone taper to help out the smack withdrawl?

does that make sense?
 
Yes, it does (make sense) and I have read similar tales across the internet. The problem is that no one ever posts a follow-up to let anyone know if it works/worked!
 
I have to admit, suboxone took me right off of heroin, even though I traded the street addiction for the doctor's. But anyway, the hardest part for me was getting clean off the suboxone since the withdrawal is so drawn out. Honestly, for anyone considering trying methadone instead of suboxone, here's a tip from my own experience; the withdrawal from mthadone is dramatically horrific and suboxone seemed like a picnic compared to it. And the methadone also gave me an issue of bipolar tendencies often, which I never before experienced.
 
ive been taking bupe recreationally for 5 days, monday, tuesday and thursday and i guess with its half life that means ive been on it all week, also with tramadol 3 of the days.

Now today i feel achey, kind of flu like symptoms with a headache, not severe but is this mild withdrawal symptoms already? lol, just a week of being on then, i had no opiate tolerance when i starting using them, god i havent had shit all week either!

been a fun week though, but bupe isnt something to play around with and i think should be used still as a drug for users coming off, but opiate naive people it gets you high as a kite!
 
Suboxone causing depression?

Lately I've been having some issues with depression and slight anxiety, and I was wondering if any other suboxone users have had similar experience. Let me begin with a history of my drug usage, I'll keep it as brief as possible....

I'm 23 now, I started using opiates around age 16 or so. For the first few years I did oxycodone almost exclusively until suboxone showed up in my town. I was tired of paying top dollar for OC and I wanted to slowly stop using opiates all together anyway so I moved to suboxone. It was fairly cheap, and you make them last alot longer (for example I could get suboxone for maybe $5 a pill and 1 pill would last a few days or longer if eaten sublingually). Initially when I switched to suboxone I tried to eat as little as possible to manage withdrawal and I didnt really want to abuse it or do more than I needed to because it was a foreign substance. I did this for a few months and slowly began to abuse it more and more. After a while I found out that you could snort it and it would have more or less the same affect as eating it. Even more, I only had to snort a tiny little bit each day to stop withdrawal. I would only snort one little bump each morning per day, and I did this for about 3 months. After a while I started snorting it a few times each day instead of once in the morning. Around this point I went to a doctor and got prescribed suboxone. I wanted to stop snorting it to prevent damage to my nasal passage, but I was so used to snorting suboxone multiple times a day I began doing both. For example I would wake up each morning, eat my daily morning dose (I think I was prescribed to do half of an 8mg tablet in the morning, then half at night) then halfway through the day I would feel the urge to snort more suboxone to get whatever high feeling I could since I was so used to snorting it multiple times per day. So instead of doing one half of a tablet in the morning, then one at night, I was doing a half in the morning, snorting a bump or so every few hours, then eating a half at night. I kept this up over the next 6-8 months, but at each monthly doctor visit my doc would urge me to settle for a lower and lower dose. Over that time period I went from getting maybe 40-50 tablets for a monthly prescription to 8 at the least. My doctor currently thinks I am eating a quarter of a tablet every other day, but actually I am snorting a little bit 4-6 times a day.

Now let me explain the depression/anxiety part of this whole ordeal. The first issue I had was about a year and a half ago when I had first gotten prescribed suboxone. This is when I started doing a lot of the drug, I was eating my prescribed amounts, as well as snorting some each day. It started with some shortness of breath, and general depression but it wasnt too severe. Day after day I would feel out of breath, or a tightness of the chest, and this lead to some anxiety. I figured the high amount of suboxone I was using was the cause of my shortness of breath, but I would still get anxious and deperssed. At times I even had full blown anxiety attacks, once or twice I went to a hospital emergency room but they would only tell me that I needed to stop abusing suboxone and send me on my way. Slowly the anxiety and shortness of breath went away after about a month, and I went back to abusing suboxone for 5 months or so. This leads up to the present day and about 3-4 weeks ago is when I began feeling depressed. It is different than the previous situation though, in that there is not really any shortness of breath, only steady depression, constant thinking of negative thoughts, etc. It would be safe to say that before it was a physical feeling but now its mental. Although my lungs do hurt once in a while now which I gather is from snorting the suboxone, and maybe the suboxone going straight through my nasal passage and landing in my lungs. The depression worries me in that its so random, I dont see how I feel depressed now and not at all over the last 4 years of suboxone use/abuse. I thought about getting checked for cancer (chest x-ray, colonoscopy, etc) because I've heard depression is a symptom of some forms of cancer. I'm thinking the depression could be a result of the suboxone abuse though, causing a chemical imbalance or something.

Looking ahead I'm thinking of two possible solutions. What I would like to do is find a detox that will accept my health insurance and go get completely clean. It is extremely hard to quit on my own, not only am I too tempted to snort suboxone often throughout the day, but I know so many people around where I live that are on opiates that It would be hard to quit while staying where I currently live. The thing that scares me is that if I go to detox and come home clean living my life day to day without opiates will be extremely hard. I'll probably still be depressed, maybe even more so than now, I'll probably have problems sleeping seeing as I've snorted a bump of suboxone almost every night before bed for the last couple years. This leads me to the second solution, I go back to my suboxone doc and tell him that I havnt been doing a quarter of a pill every other day but instead snorting some 4-6 times a day and suggest that I switch to enough pills so that I can eat enough daily and lower the dosage from there. I would like to stop snorting it all together and just slowly taper off by way of eating it, but I dont have access to enough pills to last me so I can do it that way, im only getting like 8 a month or less.

Basically why I'm posting is to find out if anyone else has been in my situation and what you guys think I should do. Also what do you think is the cause of this recent depression, is suboxone abuse by way of snorting a legitimate cause of depression???

Thanks in advance.
 
Does anyone else notice that bupe makes you more irritable? It's not an effect I would expect from an opiate, but I've definitely noticed it almost every time I take it. It's like my patience for people's bullshit has been sliced in half, and I'm liable to get snappish if I don't control myself.

ive been taking bupe recreationally for 5 days, monday, tuesday and thursday and i guess with its half life that means ive been on it all week, also with tramadol 3 of the days.

Now today i feel achey, kind of flu like symptoms with a headache, not severe but is this mild withdrawal symptoms already? lol, just a week of being on then, i had no opiate tolerance when i starting using them, god i havent had shit all week either!

been a fun week though, but bupe isnt something to play around with and i think should be used still as a drug for users coming off, but opiate naive people it gets you high as a kite!

I'd wager that your symptoms are the result of a bug or another coincidence. I recently took suboxone everyday for two weeks and didn't feel any withdrawal at all. Of course, everybody's individual sensitivity will vary... Did you try taking a little bit of sub to see if your symptoms disappeared?
 
Thank God for Suboxone as well as my parents for assisting me with the hellacious cost of those little orange bastards, but its those little orange bastards that have allowed me to go snowboarding WAAY more than I would have had I still been pedal to the metal several days outta the week on the interstate to Baltimore to get heroin.

I also wanted to say thank you fellow BL'ers, thank you for providing information to those whom otherwise would have been misinformed, thank you for offering words of encouragement, advice and counsel as well. The internet is a beautiful thing, and I think Bluelight has certainly contributed much to it becoming that way.

Glad to hear you're on Suboxone man! Good luck with quitting. :)

ive been taking bupe recreationally for 5 days, monday, tuesday and thursday and i guess with its half life that means ive been on it all week, also with tramadol 3 of the days.

Now today i feel achey, kind of flu like symptoms with a headache, not severe but is this mild withdrawal symptoms already? lol, just a week of being on then, i had no opiate tolerance when i starting using them, god i havent had shit all week either!

been a fun week though, but bupe isnt something to play around with and i think should be used still as a drug for users coming off, but opiate naive people it gets you high as a kite!

You might be sick, though who knows. Sorry if you are sick.

If it's WD's, ride out the symptoms and you'll feel better.

Does anyone else notice that bupe makes you more irritable? It's not an effect I would expect from an opiate, but I've definitely noticed it almost every time I take it. It's like my patience for people's bullshit has been sliced in half, and I'm liable to get snappish if I don't control myself.
The only time buprenorphine has caused me to be irritable is when I took the equivalent of 24mg to 32mg sublingually. That's too much and that's why you get such negative side effects.

Try taking less, it'll help. :)
 
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I get crazy emotional on bupe. Me and my significant other normally get along great but when i get enough money to pick up a week or so's worth of bupe we get in these constant little fights throughout the day. They start with my thinking shes saying something with a tone or acting like shes mad at me and they always end with me realizing im just being a dick
 
I mean im way calmer than on the few days i go dry and start w/d but i guess i just snap at nothing

also...
Can anyone tell me if the round white 8mg pills that say 54 411 on them are intended for sticking under your tongue? I ask because i have a dry socket from getting a tooth pulled worried about letting a pill not ment for sublingal use dissolve near because of fillers and such. I picks these white ones up instead of the pink hexagons cause he said there wasnt any naxolone(sp?) in them but i never seen them before. They seem to be lighter or chalky or something i thought mabey it was generic subutex
 
No offense but I didn't read your journal entry of a question, but I'll say this; Suboxone can and does often cause depression, especially after the first couple weeks of taking it regularly. But, this could be said about all opiates if taken daily. They mess with your endorphins and mood regulation. For example, my neighbor had to significantly lower his methadone dose soley because it was making him unbearably miserable. Good luck.
 
^ opiates can also help depression of course.

issues with dep & slight anxiety could be rebound/withdrawal symptoms or you're not taking your meds regularly enough (are you taking one big dose each morning or something?)

p.s. edit out the price references please :) tis teh rulez

from your journal,it seems that the anxiety is caused while your dose of suboxone is going up (aka you're not in withdrawal so it's a side effect) and depression is caused while your dose of suboxone is going down (aka it's a withdrawal effect)

you could try to temporarily help until you're off the drug by perhaps 5htp, a supplement that helps many with depression

what all drugs do you use? caffeine ever?

>>I'll probably still be depressed, maybe even more so than now, I'll probably have problems sleeping>>

yeah, you will have to go through this shit. your doc should be prescribing meds to make this taper process easier though. you say you've only been on subox/opies for one year? (i skimmed the journa) if so, your experience won't be near as bad as mine so that may make you feel a bit better :)
 
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Two thoughts for you.

Choose sublingual or snorting, don't do both.

If you're trying to "quit" snorting it, just quit doing it. If it's too hard for you to quit, JUST snort it so you don't go through more than you're prescribed.

The depression is likely coming from too high of a dose. 8mg of buprenorphine is a lot of an opiate, it's very potent, and I think taking 8mg per day is too much in itself.

If you want to take 2mg sublingual in the morning, and then snort some throughout the day, that would be better than exceeding 8mg per day.
 
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