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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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^ put it like this , even at the peak of my heroin addiction (over 1 gram of great quality H per day)I never ever needed more than 6-8mg of Subutex to keep the withdrawals at bay ,and I consistently relied on opiates on a daily basis for over 15 years ...even in those fist couple of days 8mgs would be more than enough to prevent me from getting sick ,and tapering down from 8mg to 2 mg only took me something like a week with no noticeable differences for the worse,this lead me to believe that with bupre the "less is more" approach is very true , I can't even imagine anybody ,regardless of the severity of their habit, having to do anything over 16mg, Bupre on higher doses just makes me feel bad ,as in nervous,jittery ,whereas at anything below 6mgs it simply feels right and with the aid of some trams and small doses of benzos I do not even have any cravings for my DOC ...perhaps these people on these ridiculous ,superfulous high bupre doses should try the smaller dose approach and wait to see how it works for them cause I see that a lot of people in here always start by doing over 8mgs on that 1st day and I truly see no need for that ,this is also perhaps the reason why I hear a lot of people reportedly going into precipitated withdrawals after that 1st "high" bupre dose ,something which has never happened to me (since my 1st dose was 4 mg around 14 hours after having had my last H hit) and this leads me to believe that what's causing those precipitated withdrawals is actually an unnecessary high bupre dose on that first day.This is of course not definite,just expeculating out of my personal experience when compared to others I read here and there...

I agree with the things u say. Just wanted to add that for some people p/w might be caused by another additive in their heroin as I went into them after 2mg of bupe on my first try after waiting 28 hours. So if u have a longer acting opiate added to ur bupe then any amount of dope would cause p/w.

Also some peoplel say that u can't get euphoria off of suboxone when u got a tolerance which I find to be total BS. It's been making me so high sometimes. At first I get the energetic high that I can't stop doing stuff and then I can nod out so hard that I burned my books with my cigs when I tried to study.
 
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So I'm actually going to the Suboxone doc. at 2:30 today. This morning I woke up feeling not so great but not in full withdrawals like I had feared. I'm basically pretty nauseous, stomach hurts, runny nose and irritable but that's it.

At 10 am it will have been 24 hours since my last dose of Oxy and at 2:30 it will be 28.5 hours. I imagine that no matter how I feel by then I will be reasonably safe from w/ds, no?
 
Probably. Just be honest with the doc about what you were taking and how long it has been. Good luck with treatment!
 
So I'm actually going to the Suboxone doc. at 2:30 today. This morning I woke up feeling not so great but not in full withdrawals like I had feared. I'm basically pretty nauseous, stomach hurts, runny nose and irritable but that's it.

At 10 am it will have been 24 hours since my last dose of Oxy and at 2:30 it will be 28.5 hours. I imagine that no matter how I feel by then I will be reasonably safe from w/ds, no?

You will be fine. I was really nervous because I had 14 hours (still was in WD, but they said 24 and I read 48 was recommended) when I got induced but had no complications. This will be a turning point in your life, the first few days will be rough getting adjusted then you should even out, you will be so much happier.
 
Probably. Just be honest with the doc about what you were taking and how long it has been. Good luck with treatment!

I would say that's a bad idea because they might make him come back and delay treatment, with almost 24 hours he is at little risk. Unless you use the morning of I don't think you will get sick.
 
I take a pill cutter and an 8mg pill. 1/4th of the pill is 2mg.

I take a pill crusher. I put in a 2mg pill section, and decimate it.

Measuring out the powder into lines, I even out 6 lines. Each pile has 1/3mg in it. I have half of one pile at a time, which is 1/6mg. that is 0.16666666...mg.


You can get euphoria at 4mg of buprenorphine, but I find it takes a while since you've used heroin and other opiates until your tolerance drops down low enough to get high off of buprenorphine. I think if it's been a few months you have a better chance of getting high.

IV BA = 100%, sublingual BA ranges but is average around 30%. I prefer to use 2mg sublingually which lasts me a long time, or I like to use 0.16mg at a time IV which lasts me 3-5 hours (sometimes longer).

It's not worth it to IV Suboxone until your tolerance is down significantly.

If you can get by on 2mg per day, that's when you're able to get high with IV buprenorphine I would say. It may take a few weeks/months at 2mg/day sublingually to lower your opiate tolerance depending on how much dope you used and how long you stayed up there, etc.

If you have any other Q's feel free to ask me.

Thanks, I used heroin for a very short time, about 5 weeks (10-15 bags a day by the end) and it was a huge problem so I got on suboxone. Some people can't fathom how addicted I was in that time and have even called me a liar so I don't like to advertise it. It's been almost 2 months on suboxone at either 8 or 16 mg a day. I would take 16 usually 1-3 days a week and 8 the other days.

Now I'm dropping to 4 (none today because of yesterdays 40mg experiment), should I take none tomorrow either? I don't know the half life of it just that it is long and last night I took a huge dose. After a week or two on 4 I'll try to get to 2.
 
Oxymorphone (wish I had some n0w) thatnks for your advice. I was on Subutex for about 9 months this year. I got off and relapsed. Now I'm going back on (one day I'll make up my mind).

You know that w/ Subs less is more, right? Yep, it's true!

I'll come back to you all later today and let you know how it goes.
 
Okay, to update my previously embarrassing story (my finger is doing better than it was the other day :P), I have an appointment this coming Friday with a Suboxone doc. It sucks that it had to be so far away but he was literally the only one still taking patients out of like 12 other doctors I called in my immediate area -- so I guess it's not too bad.

Anyway, I was just wondering if I would be good to get an Oxy 80mg tonight (it's my birthday! :D) -- well not tonight prolly in an hour or so, I couldn't wait that long -- but would I be okay doing that (or possibly a tad more) tonight if my Suboxone appointment is Friday at noontime? That's way more than 24 hours from what I've been reading in this thread so I should be good to go right?
 
Also some peoplel say that u can't get euphoria off of suboxone when u got a tolerance which I find to be total BS. It's been making me so high sometimes. At first I get the energetic high that I can't stop doing stuff and then I can nod out so hard that I burned my books with my cigs when I tried to study.

It's not just a "tolerance" but a "heavy tolerance" that makes some people not feel high from Suboxone (aka a lot of BL users ;)). I definitely have felt high from it for a long time but not since day 1. It took me several months of using Suboxone for the high to start to set in. It was a pleasant surprise when I first felt it. :)

So I'm actually going to the Suboxone doc. at 2:30 today. This morning I woke up feeling not so great but not in full withdrawals like I had feared. I'm basically pretty nauseous, stomach hurts, runny nose and irritable but that's it.

At 10 am it will have been 24 hours since my last dose of Oxy and at 2:30 it will be 28.5 hours. I imagine that no matter how I feel by then I will be reasonably safe from w/ds, no?

Your doctor will take a COWS score to help determine that, but for the most part yes I think you have waited long enough. I waited 2 days but only because I thought I was getting more H and not getting on Suboxone.

I think you'll be OK though, 24 hours is longer than some people wait.

I don't know where you are from but 2:30 is the time on the east coast now...so if you're at the doctor, best of luck!

I would say that's a bad idea because they might make him come back and delay treatment, with almost 24 hours he is at little risk. Unless you use the morning of I don't think you will get sick.

One doctor was going to have me wait 3 days...what a joke! That's the whole WD in and of itself! At least the vast majority of it.

Another doctor frankly did not care about how long ago I used. That's the one I started going to regularly.

Thanks, I used heroin for a very short time, about 5 weeks (10-15 bags a day by the end) and it was a huge problem so I got on suboxone. Some people can't fathom how addicted I was in that time and have even called me a liar so I don't like to advertise it. It's been almost 2 months on suboxone at either 8 or 16 mg a day. I would take 16 usually 1-3 days a week and 8 the other days.

Now I'm dropping to 4 (none today because of yesterdays 40mg experiment), should I take none tomorrow either? I don't know the half life of it just that it is long and last night I took a huge dose. After a week or two on 4 I'll try to get to 2.

I know what you mean. Within a month I was addicted to H for sure, but for me it took me a long while to use more than I was in the beginning. I didn't go through more than 0.2g per day for many months.

I saw people who got to the same place I took a whole year to get to but they only needed a matter of a week to get there.

I would say if you don't take any today then by tomorrow you'll probably be ready to re-dose. If you can wait yet another day then that's great. It really depends on how you feel. Some people get a lot longer duration out of Suboxone than I do.

Okay, to update my previously embarrassing story (my finger is doing better than it was the other day :P), I have an appointment this coming Friday with a Suboxone doc. It sucks that it had to be so far away but he was literally the only one still taking patients out of like 12 other doctors I called in my immediate area -- so I guess it's not too bad.

Anyway, I was just wondering if I would be good to get an Oxy 80mg tonight (it's my birthday! :D) -- well not tonight prolly in an hour or so, I couldn't wait that long -- but would I be okay doing that (or possibly a tad more) tonight if my Suboxone appointment is Friday at noontime? That's way more than 24 hours from what I've been reading in this thread so I should be good to go right?

Yeah you should be OK. Happy birthday by the way.
 
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Hey there.
I went to the Suboxone doctor today at 2:30. He took an assessment and gave me 1/4 of an 8mg Suboxone or 2 mg. Now, I had been taking Subutex, which is flavorless, for the last 9 months. The pink Suboxone tasted like candy--at first. Then it tasted like rancid Pez. Gross.

But thankfully I did not go through precipitated withdrawal. I felt soooo much better in about 10 minutes. And I feel really good now. Not high. Not euphoric exactly. I feel energetic and, what I used to say when I went a few days w/o Subutex, I feel peachy :)

So the doc gave me a script of 30 tablets of 8 mg pills for 10 days. He said he recommended that I take one or two pills a day but I would have to find my dosage over the next 10 days and then go in and get the monthly Rx. I know for me I won't go past 8 mg/day...hell 2 mg was ok for me. I'll probably settle on 4 mg.

I have a question though. He told me to just take a part of another pill today and tomorrow to take maybe a half. I'm gonna take a 1/4 right now. Should I take more today or leave it at 4 mg. Liek I said I feel great from 2 mg. But I'm not exactly looking to get high. I'm looking for a dose that will take care of the cravings.

Thanks!
 
First time..

I've never banged anything other than coke before. I'm considering heading down that road with OC's. I usually snort 80mg to get me level and another 80mg to get me loaded. How much would you recommend for a first time IV user?
 
Haha. I assume you mean you wanna bang OxyContin. If that´s the case that you´re barking up the wrong tree my friend. Most of us are getting on or are already on Suboxone to treat our opiate addiction. Hence the title of the thread ¨Suboxone/Buprenorphine Megathread and FAQ v4.0¨.

They´re gonna move your post anyways, but before that let me tell you that a an experienced drug addict I can tell you that banging Oxycodone doesn´t work that well. The high comes on weak and leaves within 20 minutes. In my experience I parachuted OCs for the best effect.

Would it do any god to tell you that it´s best not to take OxyContin recreationally? No? I didn´t think so.
 
I've never banged anything other than coke before. I'm considering heading down that road with OC's. I usually snort 80mg to get me level and another 80mg to get me loaded. How much would you recommend for a first time IV user?

IVing OC is kind of a drop in the bucket. It's not that great for you (talc gets in the lungs if you don't micron filter), and it only lasts about an hour or two.

I would start with IVing 20mg or 40mg depending on tolerance. Maybe a whole 80mg if you want a very heavy effect. However, I think taking them orally would be best (longest effect with a high BA).

I tried it once at 15mg (with no opiate tolerance) and got fairly high. It was very short lived though.


I have a question though. He told me to just take a part of another pill today and tomorrow to take maybe a half. I'm gonna take a 1/4 right now. Should I take more today or leave it at 4 mg. Liek I said I feel great from 2 mg. But I'm not exactly looking to get high. I'm looking for a dose that will take care of the cravings.

Thanks!

It's better to dose 2mg at a time as needed. Your idea is on par with the best way to dose IMO.

Yeah, Suboxone does taste pretty nasty. That's why I love the ROA I use compared to sublingual. No foul taste.

Haha. I assume you mean you wanna bang OxyContin. If that´s the case that you´re barking up the wrong tree my friend. Most of us are getting on or are already on Suboxone to treat our opiate addiction. Hence the title of the thread ¨Suboxone/Buprenorphine Megathread and FAQ v4.0¨.

They´re gonna move your post anyways, but before that let me tell you that a an experienced drug addict I can tell you that banging Oxycodone doesn´t work that well. The high comes on weak and leaves within 20 minutes. In my experience I parachuted OCs for the best effect.

Would it do any god to tell you that it´s best not to take OxyContin recreationally? No? I didn´t think so.

I don't consider myself addicted to opiates anymore, and I'm more or less enjoying Suboxone for what it's worth. I can go many hours past dosing Suboxone without any major WD symptoms or cravings.

Plus, it's better he talk about IVing OC's in here instead of making his own thread on it. It would be best to talk about it in the OC Mega Thread, but that might just encourage flames and stuff.

As you've pointed out, IV OC isn't felt well by someone who takes 80-160mg of it regularly. If you're someone who would get blasted by eating a 30mg OC, then IVing it will give you a rush. But, if you're someone who can handle two OC 80's, then IVing OC may be more or less a wasteful way to use them.

Can you swallow subs and get the same BA as sublingual?

No, you can't. You'll get 1/3 or less BA by straight up swallowing Suboxone.

Stick to sublingual.
 
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This has probably been debated somewhere else in here but I just got some 100% Grapefruit juice and since I've read somewhere it can potentiate both bupre and benzo effects it would be nice to know how to use it properly and at which amount,also , does it matter whether one takes the juice after or before Bupre , what sort of effect is to be expected and so forth ... thanks in advance ...
 
This has probably been debated somewhere else in here but I just got some 100% Grapefruit juice and since I've read somewhere it can potentiate both bupre and benzo effects it would be nice to know how to use it properly and at which amount,also , does it matter whether one takes the juice after or before Bupre , what sort of effect is to be expected and so forth ... thanks in advance ...

ooh good question. i would also like to know this.
 
Wow I just picked up a month Rx of Suboxone and I already had a lot. I'm chopping all my 8s into quarters and I will have over a year's supply right now at 2mg per day. 240 2mg 1/4s (I just got 60 8s) plus the 150 or so I cut up last night. Now my goal is to get to 2mg. :D

Aside from alcohol I haven't been any kind of high in months. I have a lot of klonopin, probably (I take 1-2mg per day so I have a decent benzo tolerance, usually just 1 so i have extra, about ) and a bottle of Xanax. So i have 80mg of Klonopin and 20mg Xanax, I wonder what I should do tonight.

I skipped my Suboxone today and maybe tomorrow I'll start on 2mg and see how it goes and if not go to 4mg.
 
This has probably been debated somewhere else in here but I just got some 100% Grapefruit juice and since I've read somewhere it can potentiate both bupre and benzo effects it would be nice to know how to use it properly and at which amount,also , does it matter whether one takes the juice after or before Bupre , what sort of effect is to be expected and so forth ... thanks in advance ...

Take the grapefruit juice first, then the benzos/buprenorphine.

Grapefruit juice doesn't potentiate all benzos, but some of them like xanax, midazolam, etc.

Wow I just picked up a month Rx of Suboxone and I already had a lot. I'm chopping all my 8s into quarters and I will have over a year's supply right now at 2mg per day. 240 2mg 1/4s (I just got 60 8s) plus the 150 or so I cut up last night. Now my goal is to get to 2mg. :D

Good luck man!

It sure is fun to have multi-year supplies of drugs. %)
 
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