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^ put it like this , even at the peak of my heroin addiction (over 1 gram of great quality H per day)I never ever needed more than 6-8mg of Subutex to keep the withdrawals at bay ,and I consistently relied on opiates on a daily basis for over 15 years ...even in those fist couple of days 8mgs would be more than enough to prevent me from getting sick ,and tapering down from 8mg to 2 mg only took me something like a week with no noticeable differences for the worse,this lead me to believe that with bupre the "less is more" approach is very true , I can't even imagine anybody ,regardless of the severity of their habit, having to do anything over 16mg, Bupre on higher doses just makes me feel bad ,as in nervous,jittery ,whereas at anything below 6mgs it simply feels right and with the aid of some trams and small doses of benzos I do not even have any cravings for my DOC ...perhaps these people on these ridiculous ,superfulous high bupre doses should try the smaller dose approach and wait to see how it works for them cause I see that a lot of people in here always start by doing over 8mgs on that 1st day and I truly see no need for that ,this is also perhaps the reason why I hear a lot of people reportedly going into precipitated withdrawals after that 1st "high" bupre dose ,something which has never happened to me (since my 1st dose was 4 mg around 14 hours after having had my last H hit) and this leads me to believe that what's causing those precipitated withdrawals is actually an unnecessary high bupre dose on that first day.This is of course not definite,just expeculating out of my personal experience when compared to others I read here and there...
I agree with the things u say. Just wanted to add that for some people p/w might be caused by another additive in their heroin as I went into them after 2mg of bupe on my first try after waiting 28 hours. So if u have a longer acting opiate added to ur bupe then any amount of dope would cause p/w.
Also some peoplel say that u can't get euphoria off of suboxone when u got a tolerance which I find to be total BS. It's been making me so high sometimes. At first I get the energetic high that I can't stop doing stuff and then I can nod out so hard that I burned my books with my cigs when I tried to study.
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