Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[Eight0Eight]

^ TBH for the overwelming majority, shooting sub is just satisfying a needle fixation.

Thats certainly why I, and EVERYONE I know thats on sub did it.

You're the only person I've heard of that had a smack habit but still got high off subs.

*btw - 7 days clean! Still not sleeping, but feeling OK. I can't recommend enough clonidine/lofexidine enough for anyone trying to get off subutex.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

You're the only person I've heard of that had a smack habit but still got high off subs.

I would be inclined to believe I am an anomaly here. I think it has something to do with my sensitivity to opiates.

I really am having a hard time imagining you all don't get high from IV buprenorphine...it's not an instantaneous rush like most other drugs is. However, within minutes, I feel no WD symptoms if I did before, I feel uplifted, the stimulant effects of buprenorphine shine through, within a half hour to an hour you are definitely peaking.

I even get the taste of heroin when I shoot Suboxone...I'm not kidding. It doesn't taste orange and nasty like sublingual Suboxone does, it tastes just like IV heroin.

*btw - 7 days clean! Still not sleeping, but feeling OK. I can't recommend enough clonidine/lofexidine enough for anyone trying to get off subutex.

Congratulations man, it looks like you're doing well on your own!

I don't know much about clonidine or lofexidine, but I will look into them when I'm trying to taper. I'm going to do a long, slow taper which should essentially be painless when I get my feet on the ground (long story) but I'll definitely look into them.

 

[Eight0Eight]

When I shot sub, it just made me not sick.

No rush at all - just not sick.

I jumped off sub at 0.2mg/day - and it made me still feel like shit. I don't think theres any such thing as a "painless" WD.

 

[ugly_pickle]

my question is, and please if anyone can give a personal expierecne or advice it would be greatly appreciated, if i was to stop taking the suboxone now, after only taking a quarter (2mg) for 6-7 days straight, how would my widthdrawl be. im thinking that after a pretty good dope habit that even if i stopped the subs now i would still be sick just from not having the dope, let alone the suboxone.

Yeah I would think that you would have some Withdrawls but proalby not to bad.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Captain Heroin's Suboxone Taper - Hopefully?

When I shot sub, it just made me not sick.

No rush at all - just not sick.

I jumped off sub at 0.2mg/day - and it made me still feel like shit. I don't think theres any such thing as a "painless" WD.

Maybe not painless, but I'm going for minimal discomfort.

I plan on diluting, basically, 8mg into 8mL so that 1mg=1mL.

Then, working off of a 1 unit = 0.01mg system...

I would be starting around 25 units/week, then I would go down 1 or 1/2 unit each week (however long it took to feel comfortable from the dose decrease).

Eventually around the point where I've gotten down to < 13 units, I'll change the concentration, so that it is 4mg into 8mL so that 0.5mg=1mL.

Then, working off of a 1 unit = 0.005mg system...

and so forth.

The further diluting would be a means to keep everything else about the taper the same, i.e. the psychological aspects of the usage in the 1st place.

My idea is when I finally get to 0.02mg (the last step - if I need to go that low with the limbo pole ) and then to switch to 0mg (sterile water, or something else - ), so that way the whole process in and of itself is switched over to something I have much better control over (i.e. anything else). Plus, this way, if I am still having WD's at this point (the 0mg step - switching to a placebo or a different substance I won't have a problem recreationally using - not an opiate nor mu-agonist in any shape, way, or form), I can mix in extremely small doses of buprenorphine to offset the WD. For example...

I'll call this the Battle of the Last Milligram. (the last milligram of buprenorphine is the hardest to give up )

I'm around 0.25mg 3-4x a day now. For all intensive purposes, I'll give myself the leg room - let's call it 4 times a day (there are days I get by with 2 or 3 doses, and they're more challenging but I can still manage). I've been stuck at this dose for a while, and I think it's time for a steady dose reduction until I get near/at 0mg.

week #: # units (=total mg / dose) * # of doses/day --> mg/day
with 1mL=1mg solution...so that 1 unit=0.01mg -- will probably use 1mL/cc syringe
Week 1: 25 units (=0.25mg) * 4 --> 1mg/day
Week 2: 24 units (=0.24mg) * 4 --> 0.96mg/day
Week 3: 23 units (=0.23mg) * 4 --> 0.92mg/day
Week 4: 22 units (=0.22mg) * 4 --> 0.88mg/day
Week 5: 21 units (=0.21mg) * 4 --> 0.84mg/day
Week 6: 20 units (=0.2mg) * 4 --> 0.8mg/day
Week 7: 19 units (=0.19mg) * 4 --> 0.76mg/day
Week 8: 18 units (=0.18mg) * 4 --> 0.72mg/day
Week 9: 17 units (=0.17mg) * 4 --> 0.68mg/day
Week 10: 16 units (=0.16mg) * 4 --> 0.64mg/day
Week 11: 15 units (=0.15mg) * 4 --> 0.6mg/day
Week 12: 14 units (=0.14mg) * 4 --> 0.56mg/day

with 1mL=0.5mg solution...so that 1 unit=0.005mg -- still could use 1mL/cc syringes, but will prefer to get my hands on 1/2 CC syringes at this point
Week 13: 26 units (=0.13mg) * 4 --> 0.52mg/day
Week 14: 24 units (=0.12mg) * 4 --> 0.48mg/day
Week 15: 22 units (=0.11mg) * 4 --> 0.44mg/day
Week 16: 20 units (=0.1mg) * 4 --> 0.4mg/day
Week 17: 18 units (=0.09mg) * 4 --> 0.36mg/day
Week 18: 16 units (=0.08mg) * 4 --> 0.32mg/day
Week 19: 14 units (=0.07mg) * 4 --> 0.28mg/day
Week 20: 12 units (=0.06mg) * 4 --> 0.24mg/day
Week 21: 10 units (=0.05mg) * 4 --> 0.2mg/day
Week 22: 8 units (=0.04mg) * 4 --> 0.16mg/day

with 1mL=0.25mg solution...so that 1 unit=0.0025mg -- ideally I can get 1/2 CC or 3/10 CC syringes at this point; but can still be done with 1mL/cc syringes*
Week 23: 12 units (=0.03mg) * 4 --> 0.12mg/day
Week 24: 8 units (=0.02mg) * 4 --> 0.08mg/day
Week 25: 4 units (=0.01mg) * 4 --> 0.04mg/day
Week 26: 2 units (=0.005mg) * 4 --> 0.02mg/day

At this point, I would obviously either go to the 0 dose, the placebo or other drug dose, or I would keep tapering in smaller increments. Not sure really...I'm also not sure if I'd jump off before 0.02mg/day. I can only find out I guess.

* I bring this up because I typically can only get 1mL/cc syringes from the exchange; so I'm planning on using even numbers - which is easy to measure with a 1mL/cc syringe. All in all, using < 5 units isn't a problem...5 to 10 units for a very pure drug (or for something being filtered/dissolved rather efficiently to the point where you get 96%+ back) works easily for me. However with water measuring I'll want to use even #'s, hence why the diluting, etc. Plus with a 3/10 CC, smaller # of units will look like larger # of units in a 1CC syringe - so that's an added benefit so it's in a way tricking the mind so to speak.

 

[maximumstrength]

the only opiate that has ever been able to break through my subs was methadone and that was 100mg when Im on 4mg of sub. the only opiate that broke through methadone was actiq

 

[Eight0Eight]

@ Captain H - Sounds good. Long winded - but good none-the-less.

However, how do you plan on explaining this to your clinic?

I suppose you could just get a load of 2mg subs, and tell them you want to jump off in a fortnight or something.

Because, you're probably going to want them to script you clonidine and/or sleepers for when you do jump off - and telling them you're shooting it up in this manner, ain't 'gonna result in a trigger-happy croaker!

Personally, I wish I had just jumped off sooner - as I was shooting my subs, I found that I was spending a great deal of each day sick anyway. Basically just making my life shitty, when I could off just done a cluck and be done with it.

Thats another problem with shooting subs - it doesn't last as long, so when you get down to *small* doses, you find yourself getting sick for long periods off each day.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

However, how do you plan on explaining this to your clinic?

No; I'm going to keep going to the doctor.

In case I relapse and/or am unable to quit - I need as much Suboxone as I can get. This is to avoid future heroin use. I do not want to relapse on heroin enough that I'd rather stay on Suboxone my whole life - and until I have a lot saved up, I can't afford telling my doctor about tapering. As far as such an "expert" is concerned I'm OK with my current dose, I can go lower if I want to but if not it's OK to stay where I am.

Because, you're probably going to want them to script you clonidine and/or sleepers for when you do jump off - and telling them you're shooting it up in this manner, ain't 'gonna result in a trigger-happy croaker!

I have no intention on sharing IV use with such a doctor; I have taken Suboxone a long time sublingually - it didn't work - I relapsed. When I tried IV buprenorphine, I knew I stumbled onto something worthwhile - and it worked. I have not had any cravings for heroin for 11 months! My God the extreme up's and the extreme down's of heroin abuse seemed like just the other day...

But seriously - the doc's don't have to be in the know on this one.

I can get my own downers (barbs, benzos, and OTC antihistamines) - as for the BP meds I could get those by telling another GP I'm going through H WD (though that's clearly not true) - my Suboxone doctor is not big on RXing anything else other than Suboxone; it would be a waste of time trying to taper with his assistance.

Personally, I wish I had just jumped off sooner - as I was shooting my subs, I found that I was spending a great deal of each day sick anyway. Basically just making my life shitty, when I could off just done a cluck and be done with it.

You were only dosing 2x a day that might have had something to do w/ it. I dose 0.25mg 3-4x a day. When I only get to do it 2 times I do spend a good part of the day in WD but it's not too severe like acute heroin WD for me; and it's easy to tolerate actually (surprisingly easy - but still unpleasant).

But I feel you man, I used to have pretty heavy WD symptoms as a result but I've tapered down to the point where the major, nasty WD symptoms are gone and the light, barely bothersome ones remain. I'm glad you've quit though and hopefully you're spending a lot of time looking back on the good ol' times thankful you got out of it all. I am thankful I am still sitting here today as is...shit...the number of times I almost died (not overdose related at all)...

anyways that's it's own story.

Thats another problem with shooting subs - it doesn't last as long, so when you get down to *small* doses, you find yourself getting sick for long periods off each day.

Honestly, I don't spend most of my day "getting sick" - I am fairly high for 4 to 8 hours after a dose of 0.25mg. I may feel sorta sluggish-tired but not full on WD.

I guess buprenorphine treats everyone uniquely so I'm not surprised not everyone is as sensitive to opiates as I am.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

CH.. I wanna get down to a low dose of bupe like you..
I currently dose .5mg snorted 2-4 times a day and 1mg under the tongue 1-2 times a day (it depends how I feel for how much I dose). I have needles and would like to do .5mg- .25mg IV 2-4 times a day.
Would the best way to get down to the lower dose be to just stop the subs cold turkey for a few days until WD's start and then start with my new dose IV'd to get rid of WD's and continue with that dose?
My reason for wanting to do this is to maybe get a some type of "high" or relief feeling off of dosing my subs. And also to make tapering easier when I decide to come off the subs.

 

[yoyolove88]

Sorry if this is a shitty question, but I do need an answer..

Basically I'm in my final stages of jumping off sub from .2-.4 every other day, last time I dosed was wednesday morning. Making this the 48 hour mark. Last night I had trouble sleeping but I have shitloads of prescribed klonopin that I can take to put me out. Really right now the only part of withdraw that's affecting me to the point that I am in pain is the headaches.

Anyone know if taking something such as advil or any other headache medication would do a damn thing to help the headaches? Also if it's safe to take advil/whatever headache med while on k-pins? Thanks for any replies....

Oh yea, one other thing.. anyone know if smoking some tree might help with the headaches? I smoke basically daily unless I'm on K-pins (i don't usually like to combine things) but right now it doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

 

[i.am.mookie]

quick question about IV suboxone.

i have the orange 8mg Buprenorphine HCl / 2mg Naloxone HCl.

i cut the pill in half and then with one of the halfs i cut off about 1/3 or so...id say i have maybe 1mg or +/- a little. i crushed the 1mg and chopped it up in a very fine powder. used about 80 units cold water and mixed the suboxone and water together till it was all liquid, then i filtered it thru cotton (little cotton things you can get from a Syringe Exchange) 3 times, with 3 separate cottons used.

1. Do i need to anything else to prep the shot?
2. I know the naloxone is supposed to not be active but crushing the pill into powder does the reverse or do anything to activeness of the drug?.....(don't wanna deal with the effect of naloxone)
3. As long as the mixture is clear , not any clumps or chunks of pill, and even tho it still has a slight slight orange tint, this is good so far?

....anyone with IV Bupe experience. pleas verify this for me. I don't wanna be doing anything wrong here. thanks

 

[cire113]

^^^

dont miss ...


On a side note.. .if i was a heroin addict and i started iving suboxone... whats the point?

Its just a legal addiction now? albiet its alot less destruction then the previous habit but its still an IV opiate habit the same as before....(minus all the copping, lying, ch eating, stealing,)

but from an addict standpoint isnt it more or less the same

 

[OlCapone]

SUBOXONE IS TRULY A MIRACLE DRUG. I have not chimed in since my last post, I think. I started a sub-taper plan that (can be found in this thread) at first was going to be a short taper plan because I did not have much access to Subs. Alas, I was saved and I have stuck strong to my plan. So I was able to gain, roughly, I believe it was 7-10 of these God given miracles for the masses. I have got this to last since July 4, i started having to use around 3 mgs to feel no WD symptoms (sublingual), No high also, but very comfortable. I don't want to speak too soon, but I have lowered my intake to .1-.3 mg insufflated. I say .1 to .3 mg bc i really think when you get to these low levels of sub it varies, too hard to judge such small levels of an 8mg pill. I have felt pain, in fact the past week has been slightly uncomfortable, but it is no where near full cold turkey WD. Suboxone is such a helpful tool, its like using a pair of crutches after you sprain your ankle. You're not going to just get up after a sprain and walk, run, and jump all over your sprained ankle. It needs time to heal itself, to regenerate and fix itself. To me that is exactly what suboxone is; its something that helps lower cravings so when finally the synthetic opioids are gone, it wont be a total shock for your brain. For anyone questioning themselves about quitting, If I can do it, so can you! If you are scared like I have been many times when I got stuck in the dark despair that is daily opioid abuse, go to a doc. and get Suboxone. It is such a blessing. To all also that have chimed in for any questions I've had, Thank You BL.

 

[i.am.mookie]

^^^

dont miss ...


On a side note.. .if i was a heroin addict and i started iving suboxone... whats the point?

Its just a legal addiction now? albiet its alot less destruction then the previous habit but its still an IV opiate habit the same as before....(minus all the copping, lying, ch eating, stealing,)

but from an addict standpoint isnt it more or less the same

^
...yea missing is the only thing i was afraid of but i only missed 3 shots of dope when i was doing that, and that was only in the beginning when i was learning. but i picked up on it really quick and since i got a good technique and some experience i haven't missed since.

as for as the "addiction" goes...well even if i was taking the pill sublingually, im still quote unquote addicted, since i'm depending on the pill. the reason i decided to go IV ROA, is because:

1. the limited amount of subs i have
2. the better B/A
3. to cure my needle fixation (i know this is its own addiction all by itself )
4. to enjoy some type of "good" feeling, since i really want to use but at this moment i have *no* access to any opiate.

i really had no intentions of having to use the subs except when i found out i had to move...if it were my choice id be in NJ right now sitting about 3 bundles, enjoying my life. haha

 

[Captain.Heroin]

IV Suboxone

CH.. I wanna get down to a low dose of bupe like you..
I currently dose .5mg snorted 2-4 times a day and 1mg under the tongue 1-2 times a day (it depends how I feel for how much I dose). I have needles and would like to do .5mg- .25mg IV 2-4 times a day.

OK, I hear you.

I want to just go over some ideas...

* shooting suboxone is more dangerous than shooting heroin
* if you aren't experienced with IVing, Suboxone is not the first drug you want to try with
* if you can't find a friend who is an experienced IV'er, I wouldn't try this by myself
* if you can get micron filters, please use them though it is not necessary
* read up on artery/vein blood differences, and use a heat compress if you partially miss in the subcutaneous area.
* if you don't know how to recognize when you're missing a shot in the subcutaneous area, please figure that out with sterile saline solution before you try Suboxone
* only use a new needle, if you run out of needles, get more before using again
* rotate injection sites

Would the best way to get down to the lower dose be to just stop the subs cold turkey for a few days until WD's start and then start with my new dose IV'd to get rid of WD's and continue with that dose?
My reason for wanting to do this is to maybe get a some type of "high" or relief feeling off of dosing my subs. And also to make tapering easier when I decide to come off the subs.

It will be easier to not IV buprenorphine if you are trying to make tapering easier - however it is not impossible to taper off of buprenorphine while IVing it - I know 808 did it, and I'm going to as well. However, it is known that snorting/shooting substances is more addictive than sublingual administration, and so I really do suggest you re-think this.

But, if you're still going to do it, I don't mind sharing advice.

(snorted) 0.5mg 2-4x a day = 1-2mg/day = 0.5mg-1mg IV (bioequivalency)
(sublingual) 1mg 1-2x a day = 1-2mg/day = 0.3-0.6mg IV (bioequivalency)

The bioequivalency IV-wise would be 0.8 to 1.6mg / day.

So, if you plan on shooting 4x a day (which is something you probably don't want to exceed so each dose is a "relief"), you should probably start with 0.25mg to 1/3 mg per dose.

I don't think it's necessary to "take a break" inbetween sublingual/snorting doses and IV ones - keeping a steady level of buprenorphine will be idea. However, if you want to take 8 or 12 hours break inbetween snorting/sublingual and shooting, that can be OK since the other ROA's have a longer duration (so as to make sure you'll get maximum relief). So, really, it's up to you.

I am assuming you already know this but I'll address this here since many people have asked me this: how do you get 1/3mg or 0.25mg in a dose?

You take a pill cutter & a pill crusher. For 8mg pills, you use the pill cutter and cut it into quarters (carefully - so you don't lose too much doing this). Then, you use the pill crusher - and crush up 2mg. You then split up the powder into 6 doses (1/3mg each) or 8 doses (1/4mg = 0.25mg each).

For 2mg pills, each quarter of a pill will = 0.5mg. And half of a pill will be 1mg.
For 1/3mg, you crush up 1mg in your pill crusher - and split it up 3 ways (1/3mg each), and for 0.25mg doses you crush up 0.5mg and split it up in half (0.25mg each).

To prepare for IV, you want to make sure all the chunks of the pill are fine (use a clean razor blade and a sterile surface, however using the pill crusher should do most of the work). Then, take desired dose and add water (doesn't have to be hot at all). You then wait 3-6 minutes (depending on how much you're IVing) so that all the sediment and insoluble filters settle to the bottom. Then, you want to draw back the liquid at the top of the solution, leaving the gunk at the bottom.

For reference, I use 20 units of water for 0.25mg and I typically get back 18-20 units (typically 18-19.5).

After doing this, if you can micron filter the solution, you can do so. If you don't have a micron filter...well...it's not like Suboxone has talc, or microcrystalline cellulose, or silicone dioxide, or anything else extremely harmful.

Sometimes it is also good to push the solution back into a spoon (after cleaning the gunk out - you do not want that stuff - it's OK to lose a few units in the process of throwing out the gunk), so as to make sure there's nothing caught in the needle. If the liquid doesn't come out straight, you want to flush the syringe in and out with water a few times to clean it out, and then you want to carefully pull back the solution. Watch carefully; if you see anything about to get caught in the syringe, and it does so, push it back out (not into the spoon but into the air) so that it goes flying upwards and out of the syringe. I like to shake the liquid back to the plunger so that you lose minimal solution when doing this (whatever is caught in the needle tip w/ the crap).

Then, enjoy. Make sure you do not miss - if you miss part of the shot use a heat compress to help your body out.

Sorry if this is a shitty question, but I do need an answer..

Basically I'm in my final stages of jumping off sub from .2-.4 every other day, last time I dosed was wednesday morning. Making this the 48 hour mark. Last night I had trouble sleeping but I have shitloads of prescribed klonopin that I can take to put me out. Really right now the only part of withdraw that's affecting me to the point that I am in pain is the headaches.

Anyone know if taking something such as advil or any other headache medication would do a damn thing to help the headaches? Also if it's safe to take advil/whatever headache med while on k-pins? Thanks for any replies....

Oh yea, one other thing.. anyone know if smoking some tree might help with the headaches? I smoke basically daily unless I'm on K-pins (i don't usually like to combine things) but right now it doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

Smoke and take some k-pins. The headache could be caused by anything, but don't hesitate to take one or two advils to help with the headache.

I hope you feel better man. Good luck w/ quitting.

quick question about IV suboxone.

i have the orange 8mg Buprenorphine HCl / 2mg Naloxone HCl.

i cut the pill in half and then with one of the halfs i cut off about 1/3 or so...id say i have maybe 1mg or +/- a little. i crushed the 1mg and chopped it up in a very fine powder. used about 80 units cold water and mixed the suboxone and water together till it was all liquid, then i filtered it thru cotton (little cotton things you can get from a Syringe Exchange) 3 times, with 3 separate cottons used.

1. Do i need to anything else to prep the shot?
2. I know the naloxone is supposed to not be active but crushing the pill into powder does the reverse or do anything to activeness of the drug?.....(don't wanna deal with the effect of naloxone)
3. As long as the mixture is clear , not any clumps or chunks of pill, and even tho it still has a slight slight orange tint, this is good so far?

....anyone with IV Bupe experience. pleas verify this for me. I don't wanna be doing anything wrong here. thanks

It sounds like you're OK. 80 units is pretty good for 1mg, but 1mg is a large dose for IV buprenorphine (unless you have a moderate tolerance), so you can always try a little less than 1mg to see what kind of effects you get.

1) No there's nothing else you need to prep the shot.
2) The naloxone is not active even if you shoot it, it is essentially inert; buprenorphine will out-compete it.
3) Yes, this is OK to have a slight orange tint.

Thank you for double checking but you are good to go! Just be careful not to miss and if you do (in the subcutaneous area) be sure to use a heat compress.

Enjoy!

but from an addict standpoint isnt it more or less the same

No, it's not more or less the same. You don't grow a tolerance on buprenorphine (if you do it right) - and you can keep dropping your dose and still experience all the positive effects.

Plus, I can go a lot longer without IV buprenorphine and not be in total WD's like heroin would make me.

Finally, there is no compulsion to do more once you've done buprenorphine (for me - I have met people who do have a compulsion to do more) - because it isn't instantaneously rewarding, and does last for quite a long time (4-8 hours, typically 4-6 hours).

I've been able to be a lot more functional than using heroin.

^
...yea missing is the only thing i was afraid of but i only missed 3 shots of dope when i was doing that, and that was only in the beginning when i was learning. but i picked up on it really quick and since i got a good technique and some experience i haven't missed since.

Missing street heroin can be worse than missing Suboxone from what I have seen. Even though missing Suboxone is more dangerous than missing a pure drug in sterile solution.

as for as the "addiction" goes...well even if i was taking the pill sublingually, im still quote unquote addicted, since i'm depending on the pill. the reason i decided to go IV ROA, is because:

1. the limited amount of subs i have
2. the better B/A
3. to cure my needle fixation (i know this is its own addiction all by itself )
4. to enjoy some type of "good" feeling, since i really want to use but at this moment i have *no* access to any opiate.

i really had no intentions of having to use the subs except when i found out i had to move...if it were my choice id be in NJ right now sitting about 3 bundles, enjoying my life. haha

If you have a limited amount of subs, IV will stretch them out, but you will still go through them just the same.

The BA is a lot better with IV, however, there is a way to boost BA with the sublingual route. Just thought I would let you know, in case you are reconsidering the IV route (for anyone considering it).

A needle fixation really can't be "cured" by shooting up a drug...however when I finally taper down/off buprenorphine, I do have a good feeling that I won't have a need to IV anything else (once I'm fully off of it) because I have IV'd quite a few drugs and still preferred snorting heroin to shooting it.

If you are able to space out your IV buprenorphine doses, then it could work for you. However, if you already have a needle fixation, be prepared for the idea that you may go through your Suboxone a lot faster by shooting it than sublingually using it. I, at first, was shooting too much Suboxone, then I quickly realized this and tapered down - and now I shoot much smaller doses.

You can get a rush/high from shooting Suboxone HOWEVER - if you were just using heroin as a matter of a few weeks ago, and you still have an available opiate tolerance, don't look forward to the high/rush from shooting Suboxone too much.

It is likely you will have to taper with Suboxone for some time before you feel high. When I first started IVing Suboxone, I did not get high or a rush from it. Then, when I tapered down, I did get high, and the rush.

It is more ideal for people with a low/moderate or low opiate tolerance to IV buprenorphine. However, if you don't believe me, try it for yourself (but be safe). Then as you stick with Suboxone for a while, slowly decrease your dose, and as it gets smaller and your opiate tolerance does likewise, you'll feel the high/rush better. Trust me.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

<snip>

I hope you're just looking for friends, because cops will patrol these forums.

It's OK to give out personal info looking for friends, but I would hesitate posting it in threads; try PM ing it to people who are in your area.

Then again, I'm not trying to say don't give out personal info in the threads, it's really up to you.

 

[2point2ek]

Suboxone help and dosage.

Trying to kick this oxy "addiction" over the weekend, because I am nervous of withdrawal symptoms while at work during the week.

I usually only dose 20-35mgs a night of oxy (for the past 60-70days), I don't really consider myself at rock bottom or trying to kick a big addiction like some posts, but I do have cravings and don't want to make this a higher dose addiction.

I bout 2 8mg Suboxone's today in anticipation for withdrawal (never experience withdrawal, I haven't stopped since I started using).

I dont know how much to take? And when to take it?
What if I take it early?
Any other info I should know?
I have some xanax I planned on taking while trying to kill the cravings, will they effect the suboxone or will W/D worsen? (I am NOT addicted to xanax)

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Trying to kick this oxy "addiction" over the weekend, because I am nervous of withdrawal symptoms while at work during the week.

I usually only dose 20-35mgs a night of oxy (for the past 60-70days), I don't really consider myself at rock bottom or trying to kick a big addiction like some posts, but I do have cravings and don't want to make this a higher dose addiction.

I bout 2 8mg Suboxone's today in anticipation for withdrawal (never experience withdrawal, I haven't stopped since I started using).

I dont know how much to take? And when to take it?
What if I take it early?
Any other info I should know?
I have some xanax I planned on taking while trying to kill the cravings, will they effect the suboxone or will W/D worsen? (I am NOT addicted to xanax)

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You can't take it early - you need to be in full withdrawal before you take it. If you take it any earlier than that, you risk precipitated withdrawal (the buprenorphine will kick off all the remaining oxycodone off of the receptors) and it won't be pleasant. Wait until full WD to take Suboxone.

You want to take 2mg at a time. Go purchase a pill splitter from a pharmacy, it is an over the counter product. carefully align the pill, and split it in half, then quarters.

I would take 2mg at a time to test the waters.

The xanax and Suboxone will synergise; meaning xanax is great in combination with Suboxone, but you want to keep the dose of xanax lower than you normally would; i.e. 0.5mg alprazolam with buprenorphine is as high as you should go. Taking a lot of benzos with Suboxone can make you act a-fool.

I would actually save the xanax for when you're coming off of Suboxone to be quite honest. If you start taking Suboxone and you feel better but not as better as you could feel, you could take some xanax to get the most out of each Suboxone tab (as you only have 2 pills which may be 8 doses, or more). This way you prevent yourself going through the Suboxone quicker than you can afford.

 

[yoyolove88]

Alright so a little update on the situation...

Honestly I'm a bit confused at the moment, I'm almost to the 96 hour mark (4 days) and to be completely honest I'm not feeling too bad at all. I took a dose of 1.5mg k-pin at 6am this morning but then decided to stay away from it the rest of the day to see how much these WD's are actually affecting me. I can honestly say, aside from some sneezing, a runny nose, and some relatively bad shits I'm feeling pretty fucking good.

So it would seem to me that either I haven't entered into the hell I was/am expecting. Or I'v entered it and am already close to the exit (as far as physical symptoms. I thought that it must be that I simply haven't truly started withdrawing yet, but as you can see in my post earlier when I was 48 hours in I was having bad headaches and all the usual symptoms. So I must have started withdrawing, and surely now at the 96 hour mark am withdrawing.

I'm just not feeling the w/d's the same way I did in the past, maybe my taper plan actually worked fairly well? Either way I'm thankful for the fact that I feel ok right now. I'm probably going to end up taking .5mg klonopin to get to sleep tonight, because I tried sleeping without it but it seems out of the question right now.

Here's the second part of this post, and I know, I know, I know, I never should have done this but I did. A good friend of mine called and I ended up picking up an 80. Let me explain that my goal with suboxone and quitting opiates has always been simply to get to the point that I am no longer physically dependent, that's all I care about. I always knew, from the day I started my taper plan that I'd do oxy again. I truly believe that I have the willpower to be an "occasional" user (that and I can't afford to be a full timer anymore hah). I realize that can sound pretty ignorant, but only time will tell if I'm correct.

So the reason I talk about getting this 80 is this, I have some general questions about when I can use it and if it's going to restart my withdraws all over again. Basically my current plan is to stick it out and wait til possibly this coming friday. I figure this gives me over a week of absolutely no opiates. that should be long enough to get rid of physical dependency that I have right? Or should I judge it simply by not using it til I feel physically normal without the help of k-pins (sleeping somewhat naturally, no shits, not feel sick, ect)? I mean I realize I could put the 80 up the shnooter right now but I don't at all want to prolong the physical (not mental) dependence.

Or plan b - I do the 80 sooner (within the next couple days) and just see what happens as far as w/d's. Instead of doing it later and finding myself starting the entire process over from the beginning.. This is really the one gray area I have about suboxone, oxy, and withdraw, I don't know if doing an opiate starts the whole withdraw process over. Also I dont know when it's safe to say that I'm no longer physically dependent and able to casually use oxy on a rare occasion.

I hope this made sense, I really know that what's best for my recovery would have been to never get that 80 but I did. It's here, and it will get used eventually but I feel like I have the willpower to wait until I feel that I'm past physical w/d.

-dylon

 

[Captain.Heroin]

It is possible to use opiates again after quitting, it just really has to be once in a blue moon.

I.E. less often than once a month, or less frequently.

See how long you can hold onto the 80 for; if you can hold onto it for a month without doing it I would assume you're OK to do it.