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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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To ofukibenhearB4:

The "less is more" theory is not bullshit, it's scientific fact, because at higher doses, buprenorphine has more antagonistic effects than it does at lower doses. That doesn't mean taking more won't get you high or won't work, it just means that there will be more pronounced negative side effects. It also means that lower doses work better for maintenance purposes - not for getting high, like you are relating it to. Remember, Suboxone is not made for people to get high from, it's made to help people. Also, OD does not promote abusing Suboxone, so when we talk about "less is more," we don't give a shit about people trying to get high from it, we are talking about people who actually need it.
 
I am confused about BA of suboxone. I read here that up the nose is like 50% and rectal is 54%. Then why do so many people talk about how much greater rectal is (many people who have opiate tolerances and are on suboxone maintenance write about feeling a warmth or elevated mood). Wouldn't snorting enough or sublingually enough achieve the same result?

It seems like suboxone absorption/experiences is extremely subjective.
 
ok NO need to get all high and mighty on me. WHo here on Maintenence HASNT gotten high? common now.
I am on maintenence and Have been for almost a couple years if you guys had read any of my posts in other threads you would know this.
And obviously the "less is more THEORY" can NOT be "fact" especialy since its your theory. and I DO understand that the higher the dose the more receptors are turned on and more chances for unwated side effects.

Im sayins straight up that MORE suboxone holds Me MORE. and less, doesnt do shit. and im NOT talking about getting high. the vaping a little bit was an experiement to see if I could get effects Obviously but no normaly I just take my dose every morning.
Maybe your theory is true for You people becsaue like you said your tolerance is already super low so a tiny amount will hold you.
wait till youve been on it a long time and you have a HUGE tolerance and I guarentee you that 8 mg sub will hold you over better than 1 mg. No im not talking about getting high im saying that Any dose under 8 mg doesnt really hold me at all anymore. So not it is NOT scientific fact that using less suboxone will bring about a greater effect. thats bullshit. it May Act more like a regular agonist, but if you have a tolerane like me, you often NEED the whole pill, or even 2 or three.

It tasted like oranges. it wasnt bad at all. but no im not going to repeat it.

I Never said "No one give me any advise please"
I said "PLEASE spare me the fucking lectures about smoking pills becasue I KNOW HOW BAD IT IS!!! and stupid"

Next time please actualy read my post and consider it before you throw out some bullshit replies that dont help Anyone.

I considered this pioneering, and since this is the BUPE page, Where else WOULD I put it?
I was Curious if anyone knew the vaporization points of these chemicals and if anyone knew why smoking these substances in PURE form (again read my posts I asked about PURE drugs) would/would not have effect. None of you comprehended my post at all.

6-7 Im glad you "dont give a shit about fuckers trying to get high"
I guess that means you dont give a shit about yourself or anyone else on this site.
Im not trying to learn how to abuse my subs, trust me I Already know how. I simply wanted to share my experience from the other night that vaporizing sub DID produce noticable effects in ME and I thought that would be relevent to this community. Stay off your high horse please and thanks :)
peace to all you bupers out there
 
also Im very happy that so many of you can get by on 1 mg bupe. I WISH I COULD!!!!!
I also wish I could get high off a couple norcos. but that doesnt mean Im going to and that doesnt mean that 2 hydros works better than 8 just becasue it happens to be enough for one of you.
that is all. if you cant take my points of view and experiments without flaming me and basicaly calling me a retard than you have no busniess being on a site that is SUPPOSEDLY about education.
didnt mean to be a dick, but I asked kindly not to be flamed becasue I KNEW and KNOW that smoking pills is terribly unhealthy. I know this. Yet you still flame me anyways
peace
 
2 hydros not working better than 8 is irrelevant to the "less is more" for Suboxone because hydrocodone and buprenorphine are two completely different drugs. That's like saying "just because one orange tastes like an orange doesn't mean one banana will taste like an orange." It makes no sense because it's so obviously different.

Buprenorphine is a partial agonist/antagonist. Hydrocodone is a full agonist. It's scientific FACT that more buprenorphine equals more negative side effects. Don't bitch at me for "not reading your whole post" because I did read your whole post, but you obviously did not read mine. If you would have read my post COMPLETELY, you'd see I said that yes, more bupe is more, but it brings more negative side effects with it, and that is why "less is more" only applies to people using it for maintenance.

Pay attention before making yourself look even more ignorant.

lol also, I never said "dont give a shit about fuckers trying to get high." I did say I don't give a shit, but I never called anyone fuckers. Nice try on making it sound worse than it is though. And it's true. The guidelines clearly state that I don't have to give a shit about people abusing Suboxone maintenance. How would that mean I don't give a shit about myself? I'm not the one trying to get high on my Suboxone. Matter of fact, I'm not even in legit Suboxone maintenance!
 
ofukibenhearB4 said:
Im sayins straight up that MORE suboxone holds Me MORE. and less, doesnt do shit. and im NOT talking about getting high. the vaping a little bit was an experiement to see if I could get effects Obviously but no normaly I just take my dose every morning.
Maybe your theory is true for You people becsaue like you said your tolerance is already super low so a tiny amount will hold you.
wait till youve been on it a long time and you have a HUGE tolerance and I guarentee you that 8 mg sub will hold you over better than 1 mg. No im not talking about getting high im saying that Any dose under 8 mg doesnt really hold me at all anymore. So not it is NOT scientific fact that using less suboxone will bring about a greater effect. thats bullshit. it May Act more like a regular agonist, but if you have a tolerane like me, you often NEED the whole pill, or even 2 or three.
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I hate having to do this, but this requires it.

You don't know shit about my tolerance. But, since you want to speculate on it, let me tell you a little story.

Right before I got on Suboxone, I was injecting about 2 grams of high quality powder a day. When I started on Suboxone, my doctor prescribed me 16mg a day. I found out by the second day that 16mg was WAY TOO MUCH. I dropped down to 4mg in a week and have been there for the last 20 months, and now have dropped myself to 1mg.

So do you want to tell me I didn't have a big tolerance? Do you want to tell me that if I had a big tolerance I would need more Suboxone? Because obviously I don't, and neither do half of you who take so much Suboxone. 2 - 4mg will hold anyone with just about any tolerance just fine.

Also, how come I don't have to increase my dosage of Suboxone but you do? Hmm...maybe it's because you keep trying to ABUSE it and raise your tolerance in the process, or because you are just taking way too much and keep getting yourself accustomed to higher and higher doses. The cool thing about Suboxone (and buprenorphine) is that if you keep your doses strictly controlled, tolerance barely increases, if it does at all. That's the beauty of it being a partial agonist/antagonist.
 
The most I've taken at once is 4mg, and that was a bit much.

I get more out of the 1mg and 0.5mg doses I take. You can re-dose multiple times if necessary, and if not your tolerance just keeps going down.

to ofukibenhearB4: You're not supposed to be upping the dose of suboxone, it's only supposed to go down. It's OK to up it if you need to (relapse, tapered too fast...etc) but it's not OK to up it just to get high. It's kind of stupid, really.

If you need 16mg all in one dose, no one cares. It'd be way more affordable to do 2mg for 8 days, instead of 16mg all in one day. Plus, it is much more pleasurable.

What sixpartseven is saying is the truth: there are more antagonistic effects at higher doses. Because of this, the max dose I take is 2mg (and I don't do a whole 2mg very often). I have found 1mg and 0.5mg are EXTREMELY agonist in effect - I felt very high off of a 0.5mg dose. 1mg is a nice maintenance dose because it'll last me at least 4 if not 6 to 8 hours, and 2mg is only something I do if I'm feeling very shitty/the WD's.

When I transitioned from heroin to suboxone, after 4mg's I was still "kicking" but I had dramatically reduced every WD symptom, and there was no malaise.

I can't imagine why you'd need a whole 16mg dose all at once...even if you were mainlining grams.

If you take suboxone to get high, you don't want to exceed 2mg. If you're taking 16mg to "get high" on suboxone, you're going to hate yourself when the inevitable 2 week WD comes around.
 
sixpartseven said:
I hate having to do this, but this requires it.

You don't know shit about my tolerance. But, since you want to speculate on it, let me tell you a little story.

Right before I got on Suboxone, I was injecting about 2 grams of high quality powder a day. When I started on Suboxone, my doctor prescribed me 16mg a day. I found out by the second day that 16mg was WAY TOO MUCH. I dropped down to 4mg in a week and have been there for the last 20 months, and now have dropped myself to 1mg.

So do you want to tell me I didn't have a big tolerance? Do you want to tell me that if I had a big tolerance I would need more Suboxone? Because obviously I don't, and neither do half of you who take so much Suboxone. 2 - 4mg will hold anyone with just about any tolerance just fine.

Also, how come I don't have to increase my dosage of Suboxone but you do? Hmm...maybe it's because you keep trying to ABUSE it and raise your tolerance in the process, or because you are just taking way too much and keep getting yourself accustomed to higher and higher doses. The cool thing about Suboxone (and buprenorphine) is that if you keep your doses strictly controlled, tolerance barely increases, if it does at all. That's the beauty of it being a partial agonist/antagonist.
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Murder!

good job bro.
 
ofukibenhearB4 said:
NO LECTURES-NO FLAMES
KEEP your fucking opinion to yourselves
im not asking a question about safety.
i dont need any advice.
heres the sit.
in my entire life I have only smoked ONE pill, and 0xy 20 name brand becsaue my dealer FLAT out would NOT sell me an till I smoked one of his for free cause thats the only way he does it and LVOES it and snorts all his norcos.
Well it half worked, but fucking burned and was NOTTTT worth it.
ok that brings me to today. on every drug I look up (not pills, but actual chemicals) it aprears they can ALL be smoked to good effects. Meth and other amps (uppers) Opiates of ALL manner (Heroin, Oxycodone, opium, Morphine) MDMA even..............well it APPEARS that basicaly ANY substance that can be IV'd, snorted, or eaten, also has effects when smoked/vaporised.
I swore id never smoke another pill.
And, I have to take 8-16 mg bupe a day to feel good (normal)
I also take 4-6 mg kpin a day and up to 120 mg temazepam at night


OK to the point. tonight I figured-If heroin can be smoked to good effects, and if other opies can be smoked to good effects (and obviously opium has been smoked for thousands of years) and apperently Fent can be smoked to good effects, I FIGURED that basicaly ANY OPIATE or Psychoactive for that matter, would MOST likely have effects if vaporised properly in glass.
So I first vaporized 1 mg suboxone. not feeling much for about 30 seconds
So I vaporize about .5 mg klonazepam
Immediatly after I realize how good the Bupe hit felt and I smoked another mg in total. This hit FUCKED me up and within 20 seconds I had in points and right now (about 5 minutes later im feelingg AMAZING (some of the sub DEFINATLY worked) and actualy even tasted pretty good and melted EASY
the klonopin didnt vap as easy, however it still gave me a couple good hits.
keep in mind im a BIG FUCKING IME ANTI PILL SMOKER I would NEVER even smoke an oxy no fucking way even heroin and meth.......smokings last resort I like the needle.
anyways, the klonopin as well I started to get double vision which isnt normal for me with my tolerance.
anyways I smoked just a little over a mg of bupe out of a glass peice and .5 mg kpin and im REDICULOUSLY high!!!!!!!!!
I think that bupe CAN be smoked and if it was purified I think it woul dbe as good as heroin.
I also believe that Benzodiazepines can be vaporised with success and if I had pure powder id DEFINATLY smoke some more.
im not going to repeat this, but Honestly, im FUCKED up off less than an 8th of my normal dose of each of these meds. im telling you however unhealthy it may be, it WORKED with both drugs.
does anyone know a reason why ALL other opies CAN and ARE smoked yet for some reason smoking bupe never crossed anyones mind? Why wouldnt it work can anyone give me a reason? (besides its bad for you cause fillers blah balh balh)
and also has ANYONE else ever vaped a benzo? cause I got a badass rush like I had shot up a tiny amount.
im curious if ANYONE else hsa EVER attempted either of these of if ANYONE has ANY info on why this would/or would not work.
since all other opies work basicaly (may be wasteful but still works) and since almost every chemical out ther CAN be vaporized with success is there any reason why benzos or bupe would not work vaporized ESPECIALY IF THEY AER PURE
and, i
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ofukibenhearB4 said:
ok NO need to get all high and mighty on me. WHo here on Maintenence HASNT gotten high? common now.
I am on maintenence and Have been for almost a couple years if you guys had read any of my posts in other threads you would know this.
And obviously the "less is more THEORY" can NOT be "fact" especialy since its your theory. and I DO understand that the higher the dose the more receptors are turned on and more chances for unwated side effects.

Im sayins straight up that MORE suboxone holds Me MORE. and less, doesnt do shit. and im NOT talking about getting high. the vaping a little bit was an experiement to see if I could get effects Obviously but no normaly I just take my dose every morning.
Maybe your theory is true for You people becsaue like you said your tolerance is already super low so a tiny amount will hold you.
wait till youve been on it a long time and you have a HUGE tolerance and I guarentee you that 8 mg sub will hold you over better than 1 mg. No im not talking about getting high im saying that Any dose under 8 mg doesnt really hold me at all anymore. So not it is NOT scientific fact that using less suboxone will bring about a greater effect. thats bullshit. it May Act more like a regular agonist, but if you have a tolerane like me, you often NEED the whole pill, or even 2 or three.

It tasted like oranges. it wasnt bad at all. but no im not going to repeat it.

I Never said "No one give me any advise please"
I said "PLEASE spare me the fucking lectures about smoking pills becasue I KNOW HOW BAD IT IS!!! and stupid"

Next time please actualy read my post and consider it before you throw out some bullshit replies that dont help Anyone.

I considered this pioneering, and since this is the BUPE page, Where else WOULD I put it?
I was Curious if anyone knew the vaporization points of these chemicals and if anyone knew why smoking these substances in PURE form (again read my posts I asked about PURE drugs) would/would not have effect. None of you comprehended my post at all.

6-7 Im glad you "dont give a shit about fuckers trying to get high"
I guess that means you dont give a shit about yourself or anyone else on this site.
Im not trying to learn how to abuse my subs, trust me I Already know how. I simply wanted to share my experience from the other night that vaporizing sub DID produce noticable effects in ME and I thought that would be relevent to this community. Stay off your high horse please and thanks :)
peace to all you bupers out there
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there ya go, you DID say "i dont need any advice".
also, just b/c we take smaller amounts of suboxone DOES NOT mean we have/had a lower tolerance than you, just like 6/7 said. i didn't have as big of a tolerance as 6/7 but i was shooting up to 1.5 grams of good tar a day and started off on 24mg of suboxone at first and it didn't help me anymore than the dose i take now, 4mg. in fact, it prolly helped less. it was just pointless to take that much when it didn't have any extra effect. i tried taking more and realized quick that is was stupid and stopped.
and like 6/7 said, the "less is more" is FACT 100%.
i don't have anything against you 'ofuk' but the way to talk to ppl here on bluelight is ridiculous, hell B4 anyone even responded you made sure to tell everyone that they should keep their fucking opinions to themselves and that you dont want any advice, well why the hell even say anything at all??
 
my doctor told me they weren't approved here (US) yet, last time i checked (few months ago)... anyone know if they're more commonly approved for pain or detox/maintenence? i seem to remember the research i did being weighted by pain management articles moreso than opioid treatment articles... dunno if that reflects how the patches are actually marketed or distributed tho but i'd like to find out.
 
^yeah i dont think they are approved in the US, yet. They're mainly in UK and Australia. From what my doctor explained to me and the limited research i did on them when i first started wearing them was generally saying theyre used for pain management (and this is my case)

i'm generally just after other people who are on them, for what reason (p.m, maintainance etc), what dose, how long theyve been prescribed plus a few others.
 
kelvanE said:
when i snort it, it's difficult to avoid the drip completely, i mean, i would need a spittoon to spit out the drip. if i get suboxone juice in my stomach, even in small amounts, i get sick. yea, i could snort a large line of 1.0mg and spit out all of the juice over a 15 minutes period, or stick a 5mL oral syringe up the ass and plunge 1.0mg in there. it may be a little messier with K-Y Jelly and such each time, but in my experience it's been better.

so, yea, i dunno, i've felt great on rectal doses as opposed to insufflated doses. i think it's subjective as well.....?
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What do you get out of only 1.0mg of suboxone rectally? Is that small amount even enough to get picked up by the veins in your rectum?
 
chrisinabox said:
ya i've definitely never heard of buprenorphine patches being prescribed in the U.S.
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This is most unfair... I check out the pics and I wanted to rip them off the screen and slam one on... that'd be so awesome to just put on of those patches on at the start of the week and not have to worry about WD... :\
 
evolutionofthemind said:
What do you get out of only 1.0mg of suboxone rectally? Is that small amount even enough to get picked up by the veins in your rectum?
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I use 0.5mg or 1mg, 2mg tops.

And no, not rectally.

evolutionofthemind said:
This is most unfair... I check out the pics and I wanted to rip them off the screen and slam one on... that'd be so awesome to just put on of those patches on at the start of the week and not have to worry about WD... :\
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It would be pretty convenient...but I'm pretty content with the way I maintain myself.
 
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