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Bupe Suboxone and blocking effects

mabzie55

mabzie55

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I want to preface this with: I've searched but found no answer that directly answers this specific question... All of the similar threads revolve around getting high on a full antagonist... Which I don't care about. That being said:


So I have been on bupe maintenance for awhile.


I have been taking butalbital every once and awhile for migraines, (tried many migraine meds-- this is the only one that works well without a boatload of unwanted side effects).
What I have been taking is APAP/butalbital/caffeine.
Unfortunately I'm no longer able to acquire these and my doctors refuse to prescribe them.


However I can acquire APAP/butalbital/caffeine/codeine.
I'm on bupe + naloxone however.


Now, as someone who had a pretty large dope habit and is on sub, 30 mg of codeine would do nothing anyway, so I'm not concerned about getting high or anything like that.
But will I have an adverse reaction taking that while on sub?
Will it detract from the bupe's effects?


I've heard of people on sub taking dope and having no problems, but I'd like to know if anyone here has some personal experience with this.


I just want to take the butalbital, so I don't care if the codeine has no effect (which I doubt it would even if I were not on sub with my tolerance)
I just don't want it to take away from the bupe and feel like shit in that respect.


Any insight would be much appreciated.
 
It should be fine as long as you always take the sub first thing and never wake up and take a bunch of codeine then take your Suboxone right away or a few hours later. Its when you take codeine then take Suboxone while the codeine is attached to the receptors where you could have PWDs. But if your taking Suboxone daily and before dosing the medication with codeine then the codeine shouldn't even attach to the receptors.
 
trainspotter10102 said:
It should be fine as long as you always take the sub first thing and never wake up and take a bunch of codeine then take your Suboxone right away or a few hours later. Its when you take codeine then take Suboxone while the codeine is attached to the receptors where you could have PWDs. But if your taking Suboxone daily and before dosing the medication with codeine then the codeine shouldn't even attach to the receptors.
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Okay so take sub --> take the pill later --> I can take more sub hours later?
 
Yeah dude you can take more subs whenever. The codeine is going to have no impact as the bupe will out compete it.

Edit: he's not going to have PW even if he takes the codiene before his mornjng sub as the longer sub in his system is not going to let it bind and it's a trivial amount of codiene
 
How much later? Do you dose Suboxone a few times a day or something? In my experience and in theory if you don't feel anything from the codeine because you had Suboxone in your system then you'll be fine to take Suboxone again not too long after taking the codeine. Mabye if the codeine broke through and got you really sedated and euphoric(not likely) then it would not be a good idea to take Suboxone a few hours later because the codeine may still be on the opiate receptors. But I've done it many time where I'll take another opiate on Suboxone but feel nothing from it due to the sub and I've always been fine to dose the sub not to long after because the codeine didnt reach the opiate receptors. Mabye come up with a schedule so you know when you take your meds with the least interaction possible. But really the only time I could see you running into any trouble is if you woke up and first thing took a bunch of codeine while your serum levels don't have much Suboxone in them yet. But if you take the Suboxone first thing you should have no problem.
 
I believed codeine wasn´t one of these drugs that you´ve actually become addicted to the point of having withdraws, unless of course you take 100/200 pills or a couple of grams. Codeine is a mild painkiller, isn´t it correct?
In certain countries it´s even okay to mix it with Tylenol. 30 mg, 300 mg, 1 g, etc.
 
Alright, thanks.

Yeah I take a dose when I wake up, a dose a few hours later, and a dose (sometimes) before sleep. I find this works the best for me.
I have been taking sub every day for many many months.

I'll plan on taking it between 2nd and third dose as those are normally 6+ hours apart.

Unless the migraine is unbareable... Then between 1st and 2nd... Normally about 4-5 hours apart.

But that is always the first thing I do when I get up, take sub.
 
Erikmen said:
I believed codeine wasn´t one of these drugs that you´ve actually become addicted to the point of having withdraws, unless of course you take 100/200 pills or a couple of grams. Codeine is a mild painkiller, isn´t it correct?
In certain countries it´s even okay to mix it with Tylenol. 30 mg, 300 mg, 1 g, etc.
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Don't see how that relates to the topic.
Yes, codeine is an extremely weak opiate.
But through dose, tolerance, and ROA you can get fucked up.

It's still an opiate.
You can be addicted and withdrawal.

And it's okay to take APAP with any opiate.
Unless you mean "legal"
 
Okay that sounds good yea most likely nothing would happen even taking the codeine before your first Suboxone dose but everybody metabolises Suboxone differently so I can't say for sure but it sounds like your a fast metaboliser who probably has low serum levels of buprenorphine when you wake up in the mornings depending on your dose of course.

I'm the same way I wake up at 5 am got to work and take my first 0.5mg buprenorphine under my tounge at 8am then again at noon and again at 400pm. Then I do one more before bed at 8pm for a total of 2mgs daily. This is the best way for me to keep cravings at bay due to my fast metabolism.
 
I don´t see how codeine can be related to Suboxone regardless of the topic.
 
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