Hello. I've seen a good bit of the opiate/opioid/heroin posts here on this forum (and a lot of them actually do look quite interesting/informative) and I do indeed intend to read through most if not all of them quite in depth. That said, I have a specific question that I've had for a while now, and I've even gotten it answered before but to varying degrees and and with some saying yes and some saying no (black/white, you know, everyone seems to be either up or down on this issue but none can ever agree uniformly).
Now, I've been on buprenorphine now for quite some time and I used heroin for years heavily before that. mostly #4 powdered heroin (brown/tan and/or grey) as I'm from the northeast US. Now, I've always been told that buprenorphine makes using opiates impossible (it blocks them) but I've also been told that this isn't enitrely true, especially if you use a lot of and/or a strong opiate (like good heroin) and/or if your ROA is intense (like IV injection). Just to get it out there, for the most part I do like staying clean, but every once in a while I do "treat" myself and I get some dope and use it. whenever I do that I always IV inject it and I always feel it. It is always to varying degrees but I always feel it at least a little bit. this is with buprenorphine in my system (subutex so lots of buprenorphine due to frequent and high daily dosings but no naloxone) and I always feel it, just to differing degrees. Now, I am on the sublocade once a month 300 mg shot (I'm due for my third or fourth shot soon) and I seem to have the same issues with using H occassionally as I did when doing so while on high daily doses of subutex (oral buprenorphine with no naloxone, since sublocade is steady release BUPE injection but with no naloxone). Again, just for the record, if I use suboxone films (that have naloxone in them) I don't/can't feel shit for like a day or two, no matter how much I do or what/how I do it. So, the naloxone does work and work well as a full blocker but I always was told that just the BUPE itself was a blocker of opiates and the naloxone was just added protection as well as to ensure you didn't abuse the BUPE itself. IDFK!!. (hence, why I'm asking here, hopefully someone can finally clarify this shit to me).
I know this may be kind of a stupid/annoying question for some of you and it may have been debated ad nauseum already in certain places. However, if you wouldn't mind (and you posses the proper knowledge and/or experience to do so), just to set my head straight and let me know once and for all what's really going on and what is and isn't just in my head or not (since I swear I DO INDEED get high whenever I use H, even while on lots of BUPE, be it oral subutex or this new sublocade injection, as long as there is no naloxone present at all).
Is this the REAL truth of the matter (this is what I've come up with)? That Buprenorphine (with no naloxone) even at frequent and/or high doses (administered orally or XR injection, doesn't really matter) MAY block and/or at least reduce the effects of some opiates and/or when opiates are administered certain ways. But if you use certain other opiates/opiates that are strong enough to break through then you will still get high and feel their effects? Also, if you administer said opiates using an ROA that is intense enough to break through the BUPE (such as IV injecting)? And, especially so when combining both of these techniques/situations (such as IV injecting GOOD/STRONG Heroin)?
Sorry for the long, boring and possibly confusing question, especially on something that like I said may have already been debated to death here, I just really wanna know what is going on here once and for all (I'm just that kind of a person, idk). Because, like I said, I swear I get high, to differing degrees, whenever I shoot H, even when on lots of BUPE (oral/subutex and this new sublocade shot) and I wanna know exactly why, if that's possible to know.
Also, As a P.S., I'm sure the "differing degrees" I speak about are from differing amounts of H and in differences in the strength of the H I'm using (and also possibly differences in the amount of BUPE active in my system at the time, even with no naloxone) but I have also noticed differences in how high I feel when shooting H while on any type of BUPE preparation (no naloxone) depending on the type of H I use. Whenever I use Black Tar Heroin (which I have a few good connects for even though I'm in the northeast US) it always feels like it breaks through harder and gets me higher for longer than the powder dope I get (and I get GOOD powder). Is there a reason behind BTH breaking through BUPE better (and staying broken through)? Or is it just in my head? Or could it be something like since I mostly usually use powdered dope regularly anyway that when I use BTH while on BUPE since I'm using a new type of dope and using enough to make sure I break through the BUPE at that that I could just be feeling it more because of those reasons at the moment? (This one is extra weird to me since I've always read/been told that Black Tar Heroin, or BTH, is on average, generally weaker/less potent than #4 powdered dope). So, WTF is the real deal here??!!
Again, one last time, I know this might be stupid to some people to the point of being annoying/irritating,and for those of you I DO APOLOGIZE. But I feel it could potentially be enlightening/educative and informative, especially to those on BUPE preparation medications/treatments (be it oral/sub-lingual or sublocade monthly XR shot, etc.) Because for people who do use H (and other opiates) while on BUPE I'm sure there is info. they should know to be/stay totally safe and to do it the right and safe way if they're gonna do it at all. also, when I KNOW I feel something and then I have people (even doctors, counselors, etc.) telling me that there is no way, that it's impossible, that I'm on a blocker and that there is just no possible way, then I just gotta know what's going on. Especially when different ROA's and also even different types of the same opiate (different types of Heroin) make me feel differing degrees of "high" effects than that makes it seem much less imagined, fake, and in my head and much more subjective and real. And, just like mixing H and other opiates with methadone (for those on methadone treatment) turned out to be, I'm sure there is a right and wrong way to mix opiates with BUPE (if and/or when you choose to do so) and that the wrong way could potentially lead to much easier times overdosing, so I think this is an important and viable topic, even if irritating for some (or many), again SORRY.
And THANK YOU GREATLY, to anyone who could answer with an answer that was in any way and at all HELPFUL, even just a little bit!
Now, I've been on buprenorphine now for quite some time and I used heroin for years heavily before that. mostly #4 powdered heroin (brown/tan and/or grey) as I'm from the northeast US. Now, I've always been told that buprenorphine makes using opiates impossible (it blocks them) but I've also been told that this isn't enitrely true, especially if you use a lot of and/or a strong opiate (like good heroin) and/or if your ROA is intense (like IV injection). Just to get it out there, for the most part I do like staying clean, but every once in a while I do "treat" myself and I get some dope and use it. whenever I do that I always IV inject it and I always feel it. It is always to varying degrees but I always feel it at least a little bit. this is with buprenorphine in my system (subutex so lots of buprenorphine due to frequent and high daily dosings but no naloxone) and I always feel it, just to differing degrees. Now, I am on the sublocade once a month 300 mg shot (I'm due for my third or fourth shot soon) and I seem to have the same issues with using H occassionally as I did when doing so while on high daily doses of subutex (oral buprenorphine with no naloxone, since sublocade is steady release BUPE injection but with no naloxone). Again, just for the record, if I use suboxone films (that have naloxone in them) I don't/can't feel shit for like a day or two, no matter how much I do or what/how I do it. So, the naloxone does work and work well as a full blocker but I always was told that just the BUPE itself was a blocker of opiates and the naloxone was just added protection as well as to ensure you didn't abuse the BUPE itself. IDFK!!. (hence, why I'm asking here, hopefully someone can finally clarify this shit to me).
I know this may be kind of a stupid/annoying question for some of you and it may have been debated ad nauseum already in certain places. However, if you wouldn't mind (and you posses the proper knowledge and/or experience to do so), just to set my head straight and let me know once and for all what's really going on and what is and isn't just in my head or not (since I swear I DO INDEED get high whenever I use H, even while on lots of BUPE, be it oral subutex or this new sublocade injection, as long as there is no naloxone present at all).
Is this the REAL truth of the matter (this is what I've come up with)? That Buprenorphine (with no naloxone) even at frequent and/or high doses (administered orally or XR injection, doesn't really matter) MAY block and/or at least reduce the effects of some opiates and/or when opiates are administered certain ways. But if you use certain other opiates/opiates that are strong enough to break through then you will still get high and feel their effects? Also, if you administer said opiates using an ROA that is intense enough to break through the BUPE (such as IV injecting)? And, especially so when combining both of these techniques/situations (such as IV injecting GOOD/STRONG Heroin)?
Sorry for the long, boring and possibly confusing question, especially on something that like I said may have already been debated to death here, I just really wanna know what is going on here once and for all (I'm just that kind of a person, idk). Because, like I said, I swear I get high, to differing degrees, whenever I shoot H, even when on lots of BUPE (oral/subutex and this new sublocade shot) and I wanna know exactly why, if that's possible to know.
Also, As a P.S., I'm sure the "differing degrees" I speak about are from differing amounts of H and in differences in the strength of the H I'm using (and also possibly differences in the amount of BUPE active in my system at the time, even with no naloxone) but I have also noticed differences in how high I feel when shooting H while on any type of BUPE preparation (no naloxone) depending on the type of H I use. Whenever I use Black Tar Heroin (which I have a few good connects for even though I'm in the northeast US) it always feels like it breaks through harder and gets me higher for longer than the powder dope I get (and I get GOOD powder). Is there a reason behind BTH breaking through BUPE better (and staying broken through)? Or is it just in my head? Or could it be something like since I mostly usually use powdered dope regularly anyway that when I use BTH while on BUPE since I'm using a new type of dope and using enough to make sure I break through the BUPE at that that I could just be feeling it more because of those reasons at the moment? (This one is extra weird to me since I've always read/been told that Black Tar Heroin, or BTH, is on average, generally weaker/less potent than #4 powdered dope). So, WTF is the real deal here??!!
Again, one last time, I know this might be stupid to some people to the point of being annoying/irritating,and for those of you I DO APOLOGIZE. But I feel it could potentially be enlightening/educative and informative, especially to those on BUPE preparation medications/treatments (be it oral/sub-lingual or sublocade monthly XR shot, etc.) Because for people who do use H (and other opiates) while on BUPE I'm sure there is info. they should know to be/stay totally safe and to do it the right and safe way if they're gonna do it at all. also, when I KNOW I feel something and then I have people (even doctors, counselors, etc.) telling me that there is no way, that it's impossible, that I'm on a blocker and that there is just no possible way, then I just gotta know what's going on. Especially when different ROA's and also even different types of the same opiate (different types of Heroin) make me feel differing degrees of "high" effects than that makes it seem much less imagined, fake, and in my head and much more subjective and real. And, just like mixing H and other opiates with methadone (for those on methadone treatment) turned out to be, I'm sure there is a right and wrong way to mix opiates with BUPE (if and/or when you choose to do so) and that the wrong way could potentially lead to much easier times overdosing, so I think this is an important and viable topic, even if irritating for some (or many), again SORRY.
And THANK YOU GREATLY, to anyone who could answer with an answer that was in any way and at all HELPFUL, even just a little bit!