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Subjective Effects of 2CB Compared to Other 2C Substances

indigoaura

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Hello...

I have experience with 2CB but none of the other "2C" substances. I seem to be relatively sensitive to 2CB and have had some very intense experiences with it. I get intense audial hallucinations (ringing, buzzing, chiming, whirring etc), vibrations, completely encompassing visuals etc.

I find it to be particularly spiritual, and it has assisted me with personal meditation goals and spiritual searches.

Also of note, when I have mixed it with ecstasy I have not had a good time. I do not enjoy the mix at all, which was a huge dissapointment because I had always read that it was a very enjoyable combination. The intensity of the experience becomes very physical for me and manifests with severe headaches and shaking. Not good, and made me feel potentially physically at risk so I have stayed away from it.

I had also read that 2CB was particularly sexual but I have not found this to be the case.

How does 2CB compare to the other 2C substances? What are the basic subjective differences?

Mods - very sorry if I have posted this in the wrong place. I was not sure if I should put it in the 2CB thread or one of the other 2C threads since I am essentially asking about ALL of the 2C substances.

PLUR
indigoaura
 
It's nowhere as useful or enlightening as LSD, spiritually.

It's still a fake feeling of stimulation.

LSD gives me a sense of natural energy and true vibrations.

All the RC's including 2c's and DOx have very limited visuals also. They are always the same subjective thing over and over, the visuals are intense and sometimes more encompasing than LSD but they are not very profound.
 
2CB operates on the level of one's identity... and that's it. It seems to turn the ego into a kind of superstructure. Maybe useful for psychotherapy, but the exact opposite of what I'd consider "spiritually opening".

The visuals I've had from 2C-B were often kind of tasteless... pixelized, harsh, neon anime gunk.

It only goes skin-deep.

Check out 2C-E for something with real substance.
 
All the RC's including 2c's and DOx have very limited visuals also. They are always the same subjective thing over and over, the visuals are intense and sometimes more encompasing than LSD but they are not very profound.
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That is so interesting because that has not been my experience. I have taken LSD as well and a lot of mushrooms, but the visuals I have had on 2CB have blown LSD (and shrooms) away. I specifically thought of them as organic instead of mechanical. I get a lot of predictable, almost mathematical, patterns on LSD.

I've seen friend's bodies dissapear on 2CB and have watched them speak as images of all their ancestors flowed across their transparent faces. I have never had anything remotely similar to that on LSD.

What I am looking for, however, is a more specific list of things. IE, "For me, 2CB was more visual than 2CE but 2CE was more ego disorienting." Just curious what I may think of the other 2C substances since I love 2CB so much.
 
2cb is my personal favourite. Usable in every situation and makes you quick in mind and body

2ce will more likely open your mind to ego tearing thoughts. very visual.. more harsh on the body in my experience..

2ci hurt my body too much to enjoy

2cc is very calm relaxed and long lasting very stoned sensation. Others i spoke to reported great effects of it tho.

2c-t-x more trouble than its worth due to paranoia about negative effects even if they didnt actualise.
 
2C-B knocked me sideways and I'm not exactly inexperienced with psyches. These things really do affect people differently. I have access to a few 2Cx but have so far only sampled 2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-D and 2C-T-2. Of these, 2C-B was by far the most intense head-trip with no real visual effects, whilst 2C-T-2 had the most intense visuals I have ever seen but with little depth. 2C-D would be my favourite all-rounder so far.

I know most folks see 2C-B as a lightweight party drug with no depth, but that really isn't the case for everyone, I can assure you. For me, it hit harder and deeper than high-dose LSD and made me very wary of other 2Cx. YMMV, as they say.
 
killo said:
All the RC's including 2c's and DOx have very limited visuals also. They are always the same subjective thing over and over, the visuals are intense and sometimes more encompasing than LSD but they are not very profound.
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You probably just aren't doing a high enough dose. Trust me, I thougth this too when I was eating 20mg of 2c-I.

If you want visuals that aren't the same subjective thing over and over, try an intramuscular dose of 5mg of 2c-E. The oral BA vs the IM/IV BA is phenomenal with the 2c-_ series.

Don't IM/IV unless you know the source, and that it's just the 2c in an aqueous solution. Otherwise, I wouldn't have considered doing it like this.
 
IM/IV is not something to approach lightly. I've shot 2C-D IV and it was very enjoyable, but I have a fair bit of experience with IV in general and am used to that method. I would be very wary of shooting any 2Cx that I didn't already have some familiarity with.

As an alternative, I'll put that ol' cliche of plugging out there. So very much better than oral but with less potential for trouble as IV/IM. Around half the oral dose seems to be very effective. Does hit hard and fast though so not to all tastes.
 
Everyone I know who has taken 2CB seems to respond very differently. Some of my friends barely feel it, others see no visuals and feel an MDMA like quality.

For me, I can feel 5 mg, and am having intense visuals and audial hallucinations at 35 mg.

40 mg was overboard, with reality collapsing in on itself and whatnot.

I have never experienced anything like this with LSD, although maybe I have not taken enough LSD. Also annoying is that LSD really aggravates my ocd tendencies, and I get caught up with a lot of running in circles and walking back and forth and forgetting what I intended to do and all that.

When I do 2CB I feel tuned into a totally different level of reality. I have had past life type images and seen shamanic symbols appear in the air and all kinds of crazy things.

I can only assume if this is how 2CB affects me that I would also be sensitive to something like 2CE. I've never had much interest in the 2C-t-x substances.
 
I am interested in plugging. 2CB is very sensitive to what I have eaten ina given day and I don't feel it if I have eaten in the past 4 hours. I have blood sugar regulation problems so fasting for four hours is tough.

You say 50% of the regular dose with plugging?
 
As a very rough guide, I would say 50% is a good place to start. At least in my experience. I loathe the come up from 2Cx (and MDMA) and often had a lot of GI discomfort, but found that plugging virtually eliminated both. With the added bonus of requiring less substance to achieve the same effect. Come up is reduced to a few minutes and GI distress is minimal. Again, in my experience. I've not plugged 2C-B, but would if it came my way again. Wouldn't use any 2Cx orally now.

Totally relate to your "past life...shamanic" visions on 2C-B too, indigoaura. That's very much what I experienced - multiple alternate lives with a distinct "spiritual" vibe. This was all internal visions, mind - no visuals whatsoever for me other than general sparkliness. Was bordering on overwhelming for me sometimes, but had enough of a euphoric note to keep the fears at bay.
 
I've seen friend's bodies dissapear on 2CB and have watched them speak as images of all their ancestors flowed across their transparent faces. I have never had anything remotely similar to that on LSD.
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I don't doubt you experienced great things.

I will agree LSD's visuals can be very geometric and mathetmatical. But for me there is no limit to what LSD can make me see, when we're talking about sensory and visual candy.

One time I was looking into the mirror and I saw myself age until I was 80. Then I snapped out of that "notion" and suddenly my head looked completely alien, I did not look human. Then suddenly I realized it was all my mind playing the tricks, literally. I thought, "i want to look like a werewolf", then suddenly I started looking like my idea of a werewolf, and my head was progressively changing in infinite ways.

It was amazing.

Another time on LSD I saw my friend and he consisted only of energy and the energy he was emmiting was the same energy I felt as the exact same time.

It was really profound, we are all energy!

I've had too many cool sights on LSD, never a dull moment = )
 
Shambles said:
As a very rough guide, I would say 50% is a good place to start. At least in my experience. I loathe the come up from 2Cx (and MDMA) and often had a lot of GI discomfort, but found that plugging virtually eliminated both. With the added bonus of requiring less substance to achieve the same effect. Come up is reduced to a few minutes and GI distress is minimal. Again, in my experience. I've not plugged 2C-B, but would if it came my way again. Wouldn't use any 2Cx orally now.

Totally relate to your "past life...shamanic" visions on 2C-B too, indigoaura. That's very much what I experienced - multiple alternate lives with a distinct "spiritual" vibe. This was all internal visions, mind - no visuals whatsoever for me other than general sparkliness. Was bordering on overwhelming for me sometimes, but had enough of a euphoric note to keep the fears at bay.
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Thanks for the info. I will try this next time. I get the GI discomfort with ecstasy and 2CB. I was always concerned about plugging because I thought I may still get the GI discomfort and need to go to the bathroom and then lose the drug. But it is definately worth trying once to see how it goes.

I have had past life memories since I was a child. Being on 2CB and meditating in front of a mirror really brought up some insane things. I've seen what I consider to be former faces in dreams before, but to see it while awake was very profound.

Once, at a TV on the Radio concert, it was like they were literally calling up spirits and connecting to other places and other shaman who were also calling up spirits. I saw all these hands begin appearing in the air, hands reaching through time and space. In the palm of the hands was a spiral. I have since come to learn this is a symbol on the walls of caves and a common tribal image.

I need to experiment more with LSD. My first experience with LSD was a bit premature I think, and a bit too much of a trip and I was young and it went bad. Since then I have been very cautious about it. I have not done LSD near as much as I have done shrooms and 2CB. One of the problems is the time commitment, when I do LSD its a 14 hour thing and I don't always have 14 hours to give.
 
killo said:
It's nowhere as useful or enlightening as LSD, spiritually.

It's still a fake feeling of stimulation.

LSD gives me a sense of natural energy and true vibrations.

All the RC's including 2c's and DOx have very limited visuals also. They are always the same subjective thing over and over, the visuals are intense and sometimes more encompasing than LSD but they are not very profound.
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To each is own. I find 2C-T-7 and 2C-E FAR MORE visual than LSD. And I find 2C-E far more profound and deep than LSD...and has the added bonus of not being confusing like acid trips can be.

To each is own, but I find a few of the 2Cs 'classic psychedelics' that are every bit as good (or better) than LSD.

Personally (to the OP) I find 2C-B a little dull. Yes, its fun and has pretty colors but I found little-to-no "spiritual" value with it, no real "mind expanding" effects...much more of a recreational psychedelic.

2C-D, 2C-E, and 2C-T-7 are far better than 2C-B in my book.
 
2C-B was great fun the one time I tried it, but that seems to be all it could amount to for me. I'd take it again in a heartbeat if I were going to a rave or concert, but if I wanted to stay home and go deep I'd go with any number of other materials.

2C-I is a little heavier on the body and leaves me with a headache the next day, but I found it slightly more visual and, like 2C-B, great for dancing. Both 2C-B and 2C-I leave the ego intact IME, and where 2C-B seems to focus one on one's own self, 2C-I has a more interpersonal feel like MDMA.

2C-E is way deeper compared to either of these. I have a good amount of experience it and have found 25mg to be on par with my strongest LSD trips minus the confusion often brought on by that material. It's also one of the most visual materials I've tried, yet it allows me to maintain a clear, analytical headspace granting me immense insight into my personality. Truly a magical one IMO.
 
Shambles said:
As a very rough guide, I would say 50% is a good place to start. At least in my experience. I loathe the come up from 2Cx (and MDMA) and often had a lot of GI discomfort, but found that plugging virtually eliminated both. With the added bonus of requiring less substance to achieve the same effect. Come up is reduced to a few minutes and GI distress is minimal. Again, in my experience. I've not plugged 2C-B, but would if it came my way again. Wouldn't use any 2Cx orally now.

Totally relate to your "past life...shamanic" visions on 2C-B too, indigoaura. That's very much what I experienced - multiple alternate lives with a distinct "spiritual" vibe. This was all internal visions, mind - no visuals whatsoever for me other than general sparkliness. Was bordering on overwhelming for me sometimes, but had enough of a euphoric note to keep the fears at bay.
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I wish I had plugged 2c-e. The nausea just prevented me from really exploring a fascinating compound.
 
^ Ah, I neglected to mention the bodyload of 2C-E in my reply above. It's quite heavy at first if you aren't used to it, but I have to say that over time my body learned to deal with it and at this point it's hardly anything to me. My early 2C-E experiences were characterized by lots of nausea but the mental effects were worth it, so I persisted in dosing on it over time since I felt I was benefiting so much from it. The last few times I dosed I had little to no nausea (I should add that I smoke grass with 2C-E because the synergy is wonderful) and the only noticeable aspect of the bodyload I experienced was a slight tremor, sort of like cold shivers. Figuring out how to focus that extra energy though can really turn it into a pleasurable rather than nauseating experience.
 
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