Subjective Effects of 2CB Compared to Other 2C Substances

[pazuzu]

Regarding plugging 2C-E, I've noticed no decrease in GI discomfort. In fact, it was a bit worse because the psychedelic effects came on at the same time as the discomfort. So instead of dealing with some physical effects with a relatively sober state of mind, as would be the case with oral 2C-E with it's slower onset, I had to deal with them during rapidly escalating psychedelic effects. In my case, this was a lot harder to deal with.

Still, the whole character of the trip is altered by plugging, which makes it worthwhile.

 

[Al_S_Dee]

Bullshit there are plenty of materials that rival LSD and some are far better in many ways. LSD is unique but its not the best for alot of situations such as going out into public which on something like 2C-B would be alot better. Also yes LSD is very deep but it also can feel toxic too and the comedown can be horrible if you don't have any opiates or benzos on hand!!!

Don't get me wrong LSD is one of the greats but people need to get off this whole LSD nothing compares bullshit!!! Maybe for chilling at home with a few close friends with activities like drawing and conversation its good and maybe even the best for those really far off trips with alot of mindfuck. However for almost all other situations I believe there are better options!!!

A low dose of LSD (~100-125 mics) is not bad for public functioning. Actually it enhances the social interaction because of the stimulation it provides. Like speed but minus the dirty meth effects. Higher doses though tend to make social interaction more difficult. The 2C-x are definitely more fun for an extended social scene.

I think all substances have their own intrinsic values but I must admit LSD does hold a special place in my heart

 

[killo]

I have to wholeheartedly disagree with your ideas about 2c-x's and DOx's; DOC is hands down the most intensely single substance I have tried...

Intense doesn't = better.

I find all DOx's more "intense" than LSD but that doesn't mean they're better. They are even more intense than mushrooms for me and mushrooms blow my world away on high doses.

DOX's were intense in that "I'm cracked out on speed and sensory distortion is going insane and my body feels like it's vibrating with a very synthetic feeling".

To each is own. I find 2C-T-7 and 2C-E FAR MORE visual than LSD. And I find 2C-E far more profound and deep than LSD...and has the added bonus of not being confusing like acid trips can be.

But the confusion is necessary, LSD is not a drug that hands everything to you on a gold platter. You need to work with it then you'll realize that LSD has lucid and peaceful bliss once you get over the fact that your whole life has been an illusion all along.

I think the reason people like 2c-e and DOX's better is because they tend to be less in your face about the truth of yourself and your being. They are more objective and linear....

There's no way you can tell me 2c-e is more mind expanding, maybe your mind is weak....

2c-e does it all for you, it's so phoney. I dislike it personally.

Sometimes the blunt truth isn't fun, but that's psychedelics people. LSD and mushrooms are known to do that.

Perhaps real psychedelics aren't for you and that's why you guys enjoy DOX and 2c-e so much.

Psychedelic is a bad term for DOx's and 2c-X's. I think "euphoric phenethylamine" is a better more fitting term, these drugs simply aren't psychedelic in a magical way......they are far too linear and don't let me subjectively alter my experience if I decide to.

 

[killo]

2CB operates on the level of one's identity... and that's it. It seems to turn the ego into a kind of superstructure. Maybe useful for psychotherapy, but the exact opposite of what I'd consider "spiritually opening".

The visuals I've had from 2C-B were often kind of tasteless... pixelized, harsh, neon anime gunk.

It only goes skin-deep.

Check out 2C-E for something with real substance.

I completely agree, my whole reason for taking psychedelics nowadays is to destroy my EGO......

I can't trip if I'm thinking about such stupid trivial things like my friends and my life. I already psychoanalyzed all that on LSD and it doesn't take very long whenever I trip again to get over the thoughts about my life part because LSD allows me to sum it up all quick "It doesn't matter because all there is IS NOWWWW NOW NOW NOW"

Then I'm free and soaring and getting lost in lysergic bliss = )

 

[dread]

I kinda agree with you killo, but saying that psychedelics are not for someone because he likes a different psychedelic than you is going a bit far.

You should respect other peoples' opinions. There's no objective truth, just 6 billion subjective ones.

Personally that was the first thing psychedelics taught me.

 

[killo]

I kinda agree with you killo, but saying that psychedelics are not for someone because he likes a different psychedelic than you is going a bit far.

You should respect other peoples' opinions. There's no objective truth, just 6 billion subjective ones.

Personally that was the first thing psychedelics taught me.

I agree.

I'm just giving my opinion that people should avoid DOx's if they are taking psychedelics for spiritual purposes.

DOX's for me almost "FORCE" an egotistical outlook which is quite the opposite of LSD and mushrooms which actually provide you with genuine subjective insights.

 

[dread]

It's a different kind of psychedelic experience. I know that most of the 2C:s are all sparkle and eyecandy with little substance and depth to them. I'm not sure about the DOx since I've never really tried them. But they're still psychedelics. They can give you insight and revelations. They manifest your mind. They just go about it with a different approach.

 

[PepperSocks]

I agree.

I'm just giving my opinion that people should avoid DOx's if they are taking psychedelics for spiritual purposes.

DOX's for me almost "FORCE" an egotistical outlook which is quite the opposite of LSD and mushrooms which actually provide you with genuine subjective insights.

Dude, as dread said it's ALL subjective. You can't make blanket statements like this.

Many people gain profound insights from DOx's. Let them be, just because it doesn't work for you don't trash it.

It used to drive me up the wall when people would trash MDMA as being useless as a therapeutic psychedelic. Now I feel I've moved on from MDMA and that's fine, there are deeper things with less side effects calling me but at the time that MDMA was doing it's thing it was exactly what I needed. It worked for ME and worked for many others. Just because something doesn't work for you, don't get on other peoples' case about it.

 

[killo]

It used to drive me up the wall

Lol, oh well.

I've had some insights from DOX trips. But most of what they taught me is exactly what shulgin describes in his book. For me the trip isn't very subjective, Shulgin describes my trips perfectly!

These substances are amazing tools for looking at problems and dissecting them, they allowed me even understand people better in a way(in an also WEIRD psychic way, it's kinda creepy). I'm not saying DOX'es are worthless by no means.

 

[dread]

For me the trip isn't very subjective, Shulgin describes my trips perfectly!

And did you read pihkal before you tried the substances?

p.o.s.

 

[bettingawaywithit]

in my opinion 2cb is shite

 

[killo]

And did you read pihkal before you tried the substances?

p.o.s.

No, afterwards = )

I didn't start reading pihkal until I realized that I had came across "bad acid" a few times and knew it was DOX. Even till this day I have no clue what chemicals I ingested, I just knew they were a sort of DOX. Maybe even AMT(a trytamine), who knows. I've had some really bizzare and disgusting feelings on these synthetic psychedelics.

That's what got me interested in other phenethylamines, san pedro kicks ass even at low doses though with no body load.

Mescaline>DOx ! = )