subjective difference in effects between 2c-e and 2c-p visual potency

[T9358]

i have noticed that after reading many threads that 2c-p is often compared to 2c-e accept for duration a nd dose response curve. it seems that 2c-e is a great choice for strong visuals at mid to high dosing, i also seem to be getting mixed expiriences for 2c-p as far as visuals and the quality of them.

in other words 2c-e seems notorious despite individual body chemistry to produce strong mindblowing visuals where as 2c-p is either a stimulant with slight empathogenic and psychedelic qualities all the way to overwhelming visuals and good body highs.

is there a sweet spot for average dosing for 2c-p's visual effect without geting crazy with dosing, and having a low low tolerance for psychedelics but great expirience,

for example 6-apb can be great for empathogenic/ rolling type feeling but gets pretty visual @130mg and above

Is there a similarity with 2c-p where the visual aspect becomes promenent at a certain dose range.
i do understand that 2c-p has a strong dose response around 8-9mg and above.

so for any body out there which i know there are plenty:
1)- whats the quality of visuals or difference in there complexity: morphing,melting, swirling, merging of objects and actual hallucinations, as apposed to minor patterning, visual disturbances color changing of walls ect.
2) how bad is the vasoconstriction compared to amphetamine and its effects on blood pressure/ heart rate
3) what are the visuals like compared to say 4-ho-det/4-aco-dmt or even DPT

would DPT onr 4-ho mipt be a better choice for visuals as DPT is a good one and its very visual
i would really like some CEV's which only seem to happen at 4-ho-det doses @ 50mg or MXe 50mg with 120mg DPT/\.

thank you all ahead of time

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Good thread, same question for me since 2C-P is one I have not yet tried and 2C-E is up there with LSD and mushrooms in my book.

i have noticed that after reading many threads that 2c-p is often compared to 2c-e accept for duration a nd dose response curve. it seems that 2c-e is a great choice for strong visuals at mid to high dosing, i also seem to be getting mixed expiriences for 2c-p as far as visuals and the quality of them.

in other words 2c-e seems notorious despite individual body chemistry to produce strong mindblowing visuals where as 2c-p is either a stimulant with slight empathogenic and psychedelic qualities all the way to overwhelming visuals and good body highs.

is there a sweet spot for average dosing for 2c-p's visual effect without geting crazy with dosing, and having a low low tolerance for psychedelics but great expirience,

for example 6-apb can be great for empathogenic/ rolling type feeling but gets pretty visual @130mg and above

Is there a similarity with 2c-p where the visual aspect becomes promenent at a certain dose range.
i do understand that 2c-p has a strong dose response around 8-9mg and above.

so for any body out there which i know there are plenty:
1)- whats the quality of visuals or difference in there complexity: morphing,melting, swirling, merging of objects and actual hallucinations, as apposed to minor patterning, visual disturbances color changing of walls ect.
2) how bad is the vasoconstriction compared to amphetamine and its effects on blood pressure/ heart rate
3) what are the visuals like compared to say 4-ho-det/4-aco-dmt or even DPT

would DPT onr 4-ho mipt be a better choice for visuals as DPT is a good one and its very visual
i would really like some CEV's which only seem to happen at 4-ho-det doses @ 50mg or MXe 50mg with 120mg DPT/\.

thank you all ahead of time

 

[Ligaturd]

Hmm, this is really hard to give a straight answer to. Everytime ive done 2cp with others, it seems as if I am the only one who even gets visuals, it is a highly variable substance. 2ce is definitely more reliable and rewarding in my opinion, and provides a much deeper experience without the speedy edge that makes 2cp's bodyload very undesirable to some. In short, its really hard to say, they both have potential and you may very well be one of those who 2cp is very agreeable with.

I also highly recommend taking 2ce orally and smoking 2cp ontop of it for a boost, the 2cp seems to add a very enjoyable sort of martian twist to the experience and the duration is cut down quite a bit this way.

 

[Xorkoth]

Regarding comparisons of 2C-P/2C-E to visual tryptamines... the type of visuals produced by phenethylamines I find to be quite different from those produced by tryptamines. 2C-E is one of the most visual substances I have ever ingested, it produces intense fractals and seems to show me the underlying structure of things. When the trip becomes strong enough to approach +4 territory, it seems to have a sense-merging type of effect, where it's no longer even really visuals in the normal sense of the word, it's more like your entire perception becomes fractallized, and for me, I start to perceive the higher dimensions (time and reality itself) as branching out before me and behind me. It's difficult to describe but among the most breathtaking perceptual display I have ever experienced.

As for 2C-P, I have tried it a couple of times but it's hard to draw conclusions as I had a very strong tolerance to psychedelics at the time. Also I have never had a very strong 2C-P trip like I have with 2C-E. From what I noticed, it seems that, for me, 2C-P is much "fuzzier" than 2C-E. Rather than 2C-E's crisp and fantastically detailed visuals, 2C-P seems to give me hazy and fuzzy visuals, much less crisp and distinct. Also 2C-P has a notable stimulation and bodyload. 2C-E often gives me an intense bodyload but it feels mostly psychosomatic. I have had 2C-E trips where all I felt was warmth and contentment and in those cases the bodyload was virtually nonexistent. However with 2C-P there is always an underlying stimulation and a bit of bodyload. However 2C-P tends to feel a bit warmer in the body, whereas 2C-E can feel quite cold and neutral. 2C-P also seems predisposed to provide a somewhat more positive push. 2C-E is the definition of neutral.

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

I've had extremely strong 2c-p visuals at about 15mg.
They were very powerful but the experience was less unique than the 2c-e experience in general.
I like 2c-e far more, plus the stupidly long 2c-p comedown is really fucking annoying

 

[Xorkoth]

I also like 2C-E more, for sure. 2C-E is one of the most psychedelic chemicals that exists, and one of the most powerful.