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Sub taper

Eligiu said:
I cannot stress strongly enough stabilising on as low as dose as humanly possible that you can tolerate. If that's 2mg do it. One time I was on subs the doctor ramped me to 24mg and I felt zero difference so reduced back to 4 a week later.

A friend I met last year at a tattoo parlour was on daily dispensed endone for her reduction then relapsed and got put on suboxone. She reached out to me out of the blue since she remembered me being honest about tapering off it when we met and needed someone to talk to.

She offhandedly mentioned she was on 24mg. For a 5mg endone a day habit. I immediately demanded she make her doctor reduce it but she said no no it's for my cravings. I told her she was being absurd and there is fuck all evidence that higher doses help with that. A small group of people never stabilise on suboxone but they should go to methadone instead. That isn't really a dose issue. Some dude I met at na had a fractured/shattered shoulder which he didn't notice until he went on suboxone cause he took thatuch fucking heroin. And he STILL wasn't dosed higher than 8mg.

Friend did not listen. We weren't that close then so it was a bit optimistic to reckon she would trust me over her doctor. But she later got in touch telling me I was right and she started reduction and holy shit is she massively sensitive to suboxone because she cant go from 18mg to 16 mg without suffering for 2 weeks. She is so bitter at her doctor for fucking her up and regrets not trusting me. She does however blame that on my usual way of coming off incredibly blunt over text sometimes when I don't want to mince words due to the autism. So she thought I was a bit rude since she didn't know me well.

She's almost done, made it to 2mg. I also directed her to change dispenser as she was being robbed for $200 a month when I've been at 4 different chemists plus DASSA and no chemist has charged me more than $110 a month. So she did that too.

At the end of the day the less time you spend on a higher dose the better.

I only went up to 8mg to qualify for the injectable dose. I'm on the lowest one. But I went on it due to more my clinical risk of future heroin use - I'd found a regular source and I already knew I was going to go downhill, so I pre-emptively requested to be put on it. Due to a long term history of other attempts at maintenance therapy they agreed
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I'm just getting on Suboxone. Like... Day 4. Online doc prescribed 8-2 sublingual 2x a day. Had super awful pwds first day. Dope here is full of fent. I still feel bad, and guess it's a mix of shit. I have RA and had to skip meds for that this week bc I had covid. My covid didn't seem bad so I figured the time off would be perfect time to make the switch from H to sub. But I do worry that the sub is too much. After I take I feel shitty for 2-3 hrs. Like I took too many meds(not the good kind). But I'm scared too that if I lower dose I will have MORE withdrawals bc I know I haven't really leveled out yet. Life is a bitch. Would decreasing my dose by 1/2 be hard after only 4 days? Advice appreciated.
 
Uknowit4now said:
I took the kids out last night we saw some events it was a perfext night.. we got home late, i didnt get to bed till after midnight but i slept till 8am!!! Whoooo hooo i didnt awake with any massive bursts of anxiety 💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗💗 f'ing A!!!! Its working im feeling better and better!!! Whooo hooooooooo. Man the feeling it gives me of feeli g better is just "Hope" thats what it is.. its very emotional (in a good way tho!) Today im happy to be alive, i havent said that in a very long time to myself... from here on in every second is a gift 💗💗💗 im gonna cherish all the seconds in my life.

Its funny how you feel good for the moment when your using, but yet you can never enjoy anything. When your not using and feel like yourself you can enjoy "everything" 💖💖💖
thats a Science FACT...
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How are you going with your taper? I hope things are still going well and that you're going strong! <3 And if not, that's okay, we're here for ya. Come and talk about it and we can help you stay on track :)
 
n3ophy7e said:
How are you going with your taper? I hope things are still going well and that you're going strong! <3 And if not, that's okay, we're here for ya. Come and talk about it and we can help you stay on track :)
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Yes yes!! After 24 days of .25 on about the 19th day i felt 100% perfect!!! I went down to .20 for one day after the 24 days of being on .25 now i am on .125 And now today its the 4th day!! Whoo hoooooo makes me feel just crazy even thinking about it!! I still cant believe it but i am so hyped 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
Still no depression which is key i think to this whole taper and me actually doing it! Subs for so long kept me "not' depressed.. now i don't need them baby!! Makes me emotional thinking about al of this.. in a happy way tho.. so i am right on track 100%... 100%... its really humbling... took me over 1 year to wean and get to this point its a long time coming thats for sure.. and i nevwr cheated once on my taper... i feel so proud. Only one other person even knows that i am on subs besides this form.. thats why i came here just to even type out my thoughts.. and it helped it made me think it made me fight harder. I was going to come back and tell how ibwas doing ive just tried to keep so busy. At times of i get anxiety i just get up and get busy and it passes... i am hoping to jump soon.. i havent made the exact date yet but no longer than 2 weeks is my goal from today.. and if i say it i have to do it 💖 it just re enforcing my thoughts too. Thabk you so much for responding and even caring.. it means a lot.. a real lot.. ill keep you posted! Days are going well. Thry truly are
 
Uknowit4now said:
Yes yes!! After 24 days of .25 on about the 19th day i felt 100% perfect!!! I went down to .20 for one day after the 24 days of being on .25 now i am on .125 And now today its the 4th day!! Whoo hoooooo makes me feel just crazy even thinking about it!! I still cant believe it but i am so hyped 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
Still no depression which is key i think to this whole taper and me actually doing it! Subs for so long kept me "not' depressed.. now i don't need them baby!! Makes me emotional thinking about al of this.. in a happy way tho.. so i am right on track 100%... 100%... its really humbling... took me over 1 year to wean and get to this point its a long time coming thats for sure.. and i nevwr cheated once on my taper... i feel so proud. Only one other person even knows that i am on subs besides this form.. thats why i came here just to even type out my thoughts.. and it helped it made me think it made me fight harder. I was going to come back and tell how ibwas doing ive just tried to keep so busy. At times of i get anxiety i just get up and get busy and it passes... i am hoping to jump soon.. i havent made the exact date yet but no longer than 2 weeks is my goal from today.. and if i say it i have to do it 💖 it just re enforcing my thoughts too. Thabk you so much for responding and even caring.. it means a lot.. a real lot.. ill keep you posted! Days are going well. Thry truly are
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Just another quick update and story inwanted to share with anyone thats wants to listen 💗 its the 6th day today on .125 mg i felt so good and like myself i didnt even feel like i needed the .125!!! Its hard for my mind to even grasp it. And the oddest thing happened. I decided to take it anyway, mind you this piece of sub is soooo small now.. again its .125 mg! That woukd be 64 doses in one 8mg sub strip. Lol... well i looked it and i was actually thinking if i do take this is it gonna make me feel high? It actually scared me!
I had to take it and cut it in half!!! Cause i don't wanna "feel" anything... now officially i think the dose today was .051 that woukd be 128 doses in one 8 sub strip!!! I think im at the end... i really do. 💗💗💗 i think its time.. its calling me to stop i can hear it like i hear dope calling me to use..
Makes me pretty emotional i am sooooooooooooo close to a new life 💗💗💗
I am so dam happy...
 
Uknowit4now said:
Just another quick update and story inwanted to share with anyone thats wants to listen 💗 its the 6th day today on .125 mg i felt so good and like myself i didnt even feel like i needed the .125!!! Its hard for my mind to even grasp it. And the oddest thing happened. I decided to take it anyway, mind you this piece of sub is soooo small now.. again its .125 mg! That woukd be 64 doses in one 8mg sub strip. Lol... well i looked it and i was actually thinking if i do take this is it gonna make me feel high? It actually scared me!
I had to take it and cut it in half!!! Cause i don't wanna "feel" anything... now officially i think the dose today was .051 that woukd be 128 doses in one 8 sub strip!!! I think im at the end... i really do. 💗💗💗 i think its time.. its calling me to stop i can hear it like i hear dope calling me to use..
Makes me pretty emotional i am sooooooooooooo close to a new life 💗💗💗
I am so dam happy...
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This is so wonderful my friend :) I am proud of you. You've done it!! ❤❤❤
 
n3ophy7e said:
This is so wonderful my friend :) I am proud of you. You've done it!! ❤❤❤
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Its actually my 3rd day no subs.. its a bit tough.. breaking me down at night.. i am scared to fail..
I cant fail... daytime is ok if i just keep going i am actually ok..but as soon as friggen lay down at night restless arms.. i can't friggen sleep.. at all..
No matter how tired my body is.. my mind wont stop, its messed up.. 3rd day tho... and i am going beat my arms senseless again, it sounds kinda psychotic but geezus christ almighty its like i get up walk around take a shower im good.. as soon as i lay down within a few min bam restlessness to the point its like so intense. I will keep going, fuck subs, this is a battle and im sending subs back to hell.. i just want them to release my receptors... set me friggen free... set me free
 
Uknowit4now said:
Its actually my 3rd day no subs.. its a bit tough.. breaking me down at night.. i am scared to fail..
I cant fail... daytime is ok if i just keep going i am actually ok..but as soon as friggen lay down at night restless arms.. i can't friggen sleep.. at all..
No matter how tired my body is.. my mind wont stop, its messed up.. 3rd day tho... and i am going beat my arms senseless again, it sounds kinda psychotic but geezus christ almighty its like i get up walk around take a shower im good.. as soon as i lay down within a few min bam restlessness to the point its like so intense. I will keep going, fuck subs, this is a battle and im sending subs back to hell.. i just want them to release my receptors... set me friggen free... set me free
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Okay, yes, this is the really hard part. But you're doing so fucking well! Already 3 days down, that is amazing. Keep focussed, keep your game face on, you WILL get through this. Just breathe through the restlessness, cry if it helps, showers definitely help, I found that stretching and "body scan" meditation helped me with opiate withdrawals so maybe try that if that's your thing. Keep us updated. You've totally got this!!! <3
 
n3ophy7e said:
Okay, yes, this is the really hard part. But you're doing so fucking well! Already 3 days down, that is amazing. Keep focussed, keep your game face on, you WILL get through this. Just breathe through the restlessness, cry if it helps, showers definitely help, I found that stretching and "body scan" meditation helped me with opiate withdrawals so maybe try that if that's your thing. Keep us updated. You've totally got this!!! <3
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Thabk you so much for your encouragement 💗💗3rd night and 4th day baby!!!! I actually slept 3 hours last night!!! Haha whoo hoo!! I wanna laugh i wanna cry... i am happy af... hopefully i was at such a low dose that this isnt going to be as bad as i thought... anxiety is low today.. its fucking low!!!! 😻😻😻 my eye my pupils are totally back to normal... no more pinned in the dark!! Haha.. even at such low doses my dam eyes woukd still be pinned.. 2nd day by the night time my eyes started to dilate today they looks normal and reacting to light normally... on man.. day by day i am gonna do this tho.. i am committed.. i want my mind back.. i want it back for me.. not subs or opiates oh gawd i am to the point that i just wanna be me.. and sleep comfortable in bed..like be able to wake up and still wanna stay in bed.. i dream of that day.. soon very soon!!! Give me the chills even thinking about it!! 💗💗💗
 
Uknowit4now said:
Thabk you so much for your encouragement 💗💗3rd night and 4th day baby!!!! I actually slept 3 hours last night!!! Haha whoo hoo!! I wanna laugh i wanna cry... i am happy af... hopefully i was at such a low dose that this isnt going to be as bad as i thought... anxiety is low today.. its fucking low!!!! 😻😻😻 my eye my pupils are totally back to normal... no more pinned in the dark!! Haha.. even at such low doses my dam eyes woukd still be pinned.. 2nd day by the night time my eyes started to dilate today they looks normal and reacting to light normally... on man.. day by day i am gonna do this tho.. i am committed.. i want my mind back.. i want it back for me.. not subs or opiates oh gawd i am to the point that i just wanna be me.. and sleep comfortable in bed..like be able to wake up and still wanna stay in bed.. i dream of that day.. soon very soon!!! Give me the chills even thinking about it!! 💗💗💗
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So tonight is the 4th night free of subs!!! And tomorrow will be the 5th day!!! I just wanted to clear that because last night was the 3rd night.. and today is my 4th day!! And you know what i was fine like friggen fine all day!! Just took a shower still feel fine.. like 90% perfect!! To me thats incredible... i am inticipating feeling even better tomorrow not worse like most because i jumped at .051!!! Thats less than .1 of a mg! All those days of weaning i think it was 16 1/2 months for the entire wean.. some days hell some days good.. but the end goal was reached and i am soooo psyched.. energy was even good today... i am so proud.. every time i write here i wanna cry.. not from depression not from sadness but from such happiness that i have had in decades. I dont think in my whole.life have i ever cried from being happy.. it feels so good.. it feels soo good.. lol i had to even cry writing this one again 💗💗💗 goodbye subs!!! Your not taking me alive!!!!!! I think anger got me thru this... i was so angry.. now i am sooo happy!!!
💗💗💗 peace
 
Uknowit4now said:
So tonight is the 4th night free of subs!!! And tomorrow will be the 5th day!!! I just wanted to clear that because last night was the 3rd night.. and today is my 4th day!! And you know what i was fine like friggen fine all day!! Just took a shower still feel fine.. like 90% perfect!! To me thats incredible... i am inticipating feeling even better tomorrow not worse like most because i jumped at .051!!! Thats less than .1 of a mg! All those days of weaning i think it was 16 1/2 months for the entire wean.. some days hell some days good.. but the end goal was reached and i am soooo psyched.. energy was even good today... i am so proud.. every time i write here i wanna cry.. not from depression not from sadness but from such happiness that i have had in decades. I dont think in my whole.life have i ever cried from being happy.. it feels so good.. it feels soo good.. lol i had to even cry writing this one again 💗💗💗 goodbye subs!!! Your not taking me alive!!!!!! I think anger got me thru this... i was so angry.. now i am sooo happy!!!
💗💗💗 peace
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Amazing 🙂🙂🙂 You should be so fucking proud of yourself, you've done such an amazing thing. And it is such a fantastic example to others who want to taper of subs but think it might be too hard or too painful or take too long or for whatever reason they can't do it. You have PROVEN that you can do it!! So fucking awesome 🙂❤

There will still be some difficult days up ahead BUT always remember how far you've come, remember how fucking good you feel today!!!! Remember that you've totally got this.
 
n3ophy7e said:
Amazing 🙂🙂🙂 You should be so fucking proud of yourself, you've done such an amazing thing. And it is such a fantastic example to others who want to taper of subs but think it might be too hard or too painful or take too long or for whatever reason they can't do it. You have PROVEN that you can do it!! So fucking awesome 🙂❤

There will still be some difficult days up ahead BUT always remember how far you've come, remember how fucking good you feel today!!!! Remember that you've totally got this.
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Its true its true its sooooo friggen true!!
Last night was the 4th night and todaybis the 5th day!!!!!! Not a 100% sleep noght but a hell of a lot better than the 3rf night! I got like 5 hours last night!!! Hahha whoooo hoo.. and when i got up i didnt feel crazy wonkey or barley like barley any anxiety! Today i feel good ready to conquer the day 💗💗💗 5th day!!! Blows my mind i didnt think it was possible either! To me it 3 things that did it 1. The want and will to do it 2. Precision dosing 3. Equalizing your body correctly on each drop.. and that it.. 3 dam simple rules.. when i was on subs taking massive doses i thought it was ao complicated. Boy was i so very wrong... one of the things i always practiced the KISS method "keep it simple stupid" was always there, it was always there... makes me cry again this morning with tears of joy... geezus i havent felt this good in 30 fucking years!!!! 30 years!° hows thats for a dope run... lol... a new beginning a new me "my mind fucki g back"!!!! Its crazy its all crazy... 💗 thanks again for kinds words and encouragement 💖 have a beautiful day and enjoy yourself 💗💗💗
 
The 5th night has passed!! And i actually slept almost friggen normal!! Hahaha i cant even belive it!! Today the 6th day and dang i feel soo good.. every day i keep feeli g better.. i was anticipating it to get worse on 3rd and 4th and 5th days but it never came!!! 💗💗💗 only the onset of feeli g better and better each day!! I just wanna scream whooooo hoooooo!! I know you all know when you get clean and really want it that feeling is better than "anything!!" Lol i want more shots of this feeling of life and i want more now 💖 lol why did it take so many decades to feel and want this.. i dunno but i am happy as hell for the momemt here and like enjoying every nano second... im free man.. im free.. holy crap id never in a million years think id be this happy, yes the stuggle is real but oh the joys that become of it.. holy shit they are amazing 💗💗💗
 
7th day and my mind is in such a good place!! Its even raining and dreary out but i still feel incredible! Its soo much about where you put yourself, who you interact with and what involve yourself in.. it does...of course i think will i ever use again? Maybe its certainly possible i am.a monster addict and only human.. do i want to today, hellllllllllllllll no!! It even scares me thinking about being sick and shitty all over again.. gawd that shit fucking sucks, and it will till i die.. i love my mind i love having it back!!! Holy christ do i..
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8th day today... these days are falling like domino's 😹 i still cant beleive it! When i think of the # of days its been my hairs all stand on end!
Especially on my arms and legs! Lol... crazy happy days.. crazy 💖💖💖 ... the power you feel in yer body.. its friggen incredible. "Subs are no match for the power of the force!!!!!" 😹
 
n3ophy7e said:
This is so beautiful to read!! Well done! Keep up the good work! Yours is a wonderful success story 😀❤
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Thank you so much, its still hard for me to even believe, its definitely still setting in! And this place has helped me, im.so grateful just grateful for everything i guess.. if i continue to succeed i want to give back somehow someway i will
 
9th day 💖💖💖 its all butter now💗💗💗
Wow these days once clean fly like a time machine lol... getting stronger eating better sleeping better. It truly is amazing... amazes even me! Very very hard to believe but oh so ever true
💖 i hope everyone can enjoy the day!
 
11th day today clean! My sleep in like 95% normal weeeee!!! 💗💗💗 feeling beautiful today! I feel literally "released " today.. better than i ever have in my life i think.. 💖💖💖 happy days baby!
 
13 day today! The only changes i feel physically are better sleep and wayyyyy low to no existence of anxiety. One thing i had been doing is crying so much cause i was so happy (weird i know but it is what it is 😹) now that crying is subsiding although i feel tears when I update this fourm cause i am still so happy i did this.. like the fight of my life and it worked! I cant be happier i just cant.. even a million dollars woukdnt make me as happy.. lol sure i take it, but if you were me youd say the same. 💖💖💖 i hope others tryi g to get clean find the same peace and happiness. 🙏
Oh how nice it feels... actually better than getti g high.. your emotions are so powerful!!! And dam they feel oh so good 💗💗💗
 
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