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Sub taper after low induction dose?

firahs75

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Hi Everyone,

I was on sub for 3 years until jumping off at 2mg at the end of December 2012. I was inducted at 12mg (for a 100-120mg a day oxy habit). Even after being stable at 2mg for quite some time and trying very small reductions (such as 10% a week) I could never successfully taper below 2mg. Each time I would try, I would be paralyzed with depression, chills, and terrible fatigue by the 2nd or 3rd day of the drop. Thus, 2 mg was an absolute wall for me, and I believe that the high doses I was initially prescribed contributed greatly to my difficulty in getting below 2mg as I have heard of similar experiences from many people.

So, aided by the use of comfort meds like Clonidine and Klonopin, I decided to jump off at 2mg around Christmas time last year. The withdrawal from jumping off at 2mg lasted a good 2.5 months and consisted of mainly chills, RLS, insomnia, and fatigue. I made it until the beginning of March of this year before relapsing on hydrocodone, and have been on a run ever since. I am currently taking about 150mg of Norco a day, and have averaged between 120-150mg of hydrocodone for the past month.

To make a long story short, I am sick and tired of being sick and tired and was planning to try a taper plan in which I wait until I am very sick (like 26 or higher on COWS worksheet) and induct myself at < 2mgs per day, which I hope will enable me to taper down to nothing with minimal discomfort.

I really didn't want jump back on the suboxone train, but I don't see any other option at this point (exhausted all options w/ family, work etc). My goal is to do the short-term taper while at the same time work on developing good habits and coping skills to live an opiate free life after a gradual taper (perhaps aided by Kratom as well). I just want to be free! But the malaise and depression gets me more than anything else.

So, can anyone comment on whether a low induction dose minimizes the discomfort and makes it easier to taper down to a miniscule dose? I absolutely cannot go through another withdrawal like I did when I jumped off at 2mgs. Thanks in advance for the help and feedback!
 
Was the sickness of the same intensity for the entire 2.5 months, or did it gradually get more bearable?
 
It did get better very gradually. I was using Kratom to ease withdrawal, so after 2.5 months, I required about half the kratom I required in the beginning in order to function. RLS and insomnia were only slightly better, but my energy (again aided by Kratom) got gradually better. But then I basically got a case of the "fuck its" and got loaded on hydrocodone. The rest is history.
 
I think you were withdrawing more from norbupe(full agonist metabolite) than from the bupe itself.
 
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