Sub Q Test Injections?

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So a few years ago there was a discussion on a BBing board I was on on the effectiveness of sub q test injections. So I took it upon myself to try and I feel like it worked fairly well, but the question i always had was does anyone know how it compared to normal IM shots as far as bio availability goes? The end result for me was that I could tell it works but I dont know how much compared to the normal IM shot...I was using 150mg (half cc) of test e. As ive said in other posts im used to getting the desired result from small amounts so I got a good response but i couldnt tell how much or how little it was or wasnt working. Heres the information I had that made me consider it

Al-Futaisi AM, Al-Zakwani IS, Almahrezi AM, Morris D. Subcutaneous administration of testosterone. A pilot study report. Saudi Med J. 2006;27(12):1843-6.

ABSTRACT

OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low doses of subcutaneous testosterone in hypogonadal men since the intramuscular route, which is the most widely used form of testosterone replacement therapy, is inconvenient to many patients. METHODS: All men with primary and secondary hypogonadism attending the reproductive endocrine clinic at Royal Victoria Hospital, Monteral, Quebec, Canada, were invited to participate in the study. Subjects were enrolled from January 2002 till December 2002. Patients were asked to self-administer weekly low doses of testosterone enanthate using 0.5 ml insulin syringe. RESULTS: A total of 22 patients were enrolled in the study. The mean trough was 14.48 +/- 3.14 nmol/L and peak total testosterone was 21.65 +/- 7.32 nmol/L. For the free testosterone the average trough was 59.94 +/- 20.60 pmol/L and the peak was 85.17 +/- 32.88 pmol/L. All of the patients delivered testosterone with ease and no local reactions were reported. CONCLUSION: Therapy with weekly subcutaneous testosterone produced serum levels that were within the normal range in 100% of patients for both peak and trough levels. This is the first report, which demonstrated the efficacy of delivering weekly testosterone using this cheap, safe, and less painful subcutaneous route.
 
So a few years ago there was a discussion on a BBing board I was on on the effectiveness of sub q test injections. So I took it upon myself to try and I feel like it worked fairly well, but the question i always had was does anyone know how it compared to normal IM shots as far as bio availability goes? The end result for me was that I could tell it works but I dont know how much compared to the normal IM shot...I was using 150mg (half cc) of test e. As ive said in other posts im used to getting the desired result from small amounts so I got a good response but i couldnt tell how much or how little it was or wasnt working. Heres the information I had that made me consider it

I believe it has been discussed a while back, certainly on other forums, the general consensus suggested 0.5ml was ok... I had a friend at Uni that did some research, I'll have to dig out his work if I can find it...
 
With information like this what do you think above needle size for normal pinning?
People always say 1 1/2 in the quads and the butt but I always use an 1'

I dont pin any other place then those areas
 
With information like this what do you think above needle size for normal pinning?
People always say 1 1/2 in the quads and the butt but I always use an 1'

I dont pin any other place then those areas

If BF% is low, 1" should be fine...
 
I used to do SubQ injections (0.5ml) of all sorts of AAS but my god did it sting like a fucker! And it left me with lumps that (after about 5 years) finally dispersed. When I was too ripped I could see all these little pea-sized bumps all over my abs LOL!
 
I used to do SubQ injections (0.5ml) of all sorts of AAS but my god did it sting like a fucker! And it left me with lumps that (after about 5 years) finally dispersed. When I was too ripped I could see all these little pea-sized bumps all over my abs LOL!

After I did my shot I used to get right in a how shower and rub it and and they would help avoid that, cause that was happening to me to.
I stopped doing it cause I always run low dosses like ive been saying, and I didnt know how much hormone I was losing by doing it like that

As I said I know that it worked, just now how much, and to be honest since I run a low dose for 8 months and then take time iff, id kinda rather do it like that if i ever found data that said I wasnt losing much hormone. Cause torward the end i start doing it in my hip and not my stomach and I I didnt notice anything that would make me think it was wokring and more or less by changing away from my stomach
 
Purely out of curiosity, but for what reason would you go with pinning SubQ over IM? Reduction of scar tissue? Wider range of injection sites?
 
Purely out of curiosity, but for what reason would you go with pinning SubQ over IM? Reduction of scar tissue? Wider range of injection sites?

This

Also its less painfull
Taking a hot shower after I do it and rubbing it in reduces the pain and the bump you get from doing it. Cause if you dont do that you will have a pretty painful lump for a day or two
 
I've done belly SubQ injections with Test E a couple of times, and IME it can go get fucked lol. The site got ridiculously itchy like a big fat mozzie bite. Wasn't painful per se, and didn't swell/stay swollen for days. Scar tissue aside (which isn't a huge concern for me while I cruise on 0.3ml EOD using a 27g 0.5" slin pin), I have no real shortage of injection sites given I can do 2 or 3 separate sites per quad with such a tiny volume.

Each to their own I guess :) but yeah, IME with SubQ oil injections, I didn't like it. Even GHRP-6/CJC-1295 were annoyingly itchy.
 
I've done belly SubQ injections with Test E a couple of times, and IME it can go get fucked lol. The site got ridiculously itchy like a big fat mozzie bite. Wasn't painful per se, and didn't swell/stay swollen for days. Scar tissue aside (which isn't a huge concern for me while I cruise on 0.3ml EOD using a 27g 0.5" slin pin), I have no real shortage of injection sites given I can do 2 or 3 separate sites per quad with such a tiny volume.

Each to their own I guess :) but yeah, IME with SubQ oil injections, I didn't like it. Even GHRP-6/CJC-1295 were annoyingly itchy.

Well the only cycle I reall ever do is a "cruise cycle" for the past few years all I do is 125mg of test e and 100mg of tren e just once a week and i do that for 9 months. I like you normally use the 3 sites for the quads but I figured subq test shots would be easy cause its easy to do growth...so i pretty much based what I was doing on that logical. Plus someone mentioned it on a BBing board so i figured id give it a shot. Also I moved away from the stomach and started doing my hip

The how shower reduces the itchiness....thats another reason I take a shower right after but it slipped my mind..I really just remember the pain and the bump.
 
Fair enough then! Interesting cruise.

I read somewhere about a guy doing a similar cruise like me. Hes not an athlete or anything his goal is just to look good all summer long, then bulk the last few months to be a little bigger then he was the previous summer but still very lean

So pretty much what I do i use the paleo diet all pool season....ill get in very good shape, then take a vacation to someplace like vegas...ill take a week off when I come home from working out and deiting...I do this like 8 times a years(not always to vegas)

then when pool season is over I start lifting heavy again, no cardio, and I eat just bullshit to get my weight up..pizza mcdonalds whatever. Doing this for summer time I can be between 180-190 very lean using the method i mention..then after pool season I can get up to 250.

Im about to start juicen here again..im in shape, but out of shape visually. I just come home from prison, im 220 and "fat" by my stands..all i did was work out and it many many peanut butter and jellys...Im gonna post pictures to, ill also post a picture of what I look like when I do get in shape from summers before
 
Im about to start juicen here again..im in shape, but out of shape visually. I just come home from prison, im 220 and "fat" by my stands..all i did was work out and it many many peanut butter and jellys...Im gonna post pictures to, ill also post a picture of what I look like when I do get in shape from summers before

I was going to say "run a log!!" but then thought I'd sound like a stuck record =D
 
Lol. No stress. It was just an idea, thought it might motivate you as well if you get one of those days when it's grey and you just can't be bothered :)
 
Lol. No stress. It was just an idea, thought it might motivate you as well if you get one of those days when it's grey and you just can't be bothered :)

Ha i cant be bothered any day, I hate working out, i just really love the results
 
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