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stuttering from E?

And I love it when people blindly accept the self-diagnosis of anonymous kids on drugboards regardless of any medical evidence whatsoever.

Well to be honest I don't love it, I think it's daft :\
 
Ismene said:
Yeah but anonymous kids on drug boards say lots of things. If what an anonymous kid says on a drugboard isn't supported by a single case in medical history then surely you have to have doubts? Isn't that reasonable?

Millions upon millions of people have been taking E for the last 20-30 years. You'd expect there to be one acknowledged case in medical literature saying "E caused stuttering" by now.
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I'll agree, everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt. That goes without saying but when you see something repeated not once, not ten times, not a hundred times but hundred and hundreds of times, it has to catch your attention and you should acknowledge that it's a possibility that if you're abusing E, you might develop a stutter, slur, or some speech disorder.

Millions upon millions of people have been taking E but how many admit it? How many take it for long periods of time? Most people grow out of it and there just aren't that many studies out there regarding E. Why am i even arguing. What the hell do I know?!

Attention everyone, MDMA causes penis shrinkage. Trust me, I know. :(
 
Hang on a minute. Are you saying hundreds and hundreds of people on Bluelight now have permanent stutters from taking E? I've heard a couple of people say they stumble over words for a few days after a 3 day session but I've never read anyone say they now have a permanent case of stuttering from it.
 
Ismene said:
Hang on a minute. Are you saying hundreds and hundreds of people on Bluelight now have permanent stutters from taking E? I've heard a couple of people say they stumble over words for a few days after a 3 day session but I've never read anyone say they now have a permanent case of stuttering from it.
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Well, I guess because the depression and other mental ailments that long term abuse of E causes aren't permanent, they must be fictitious!! 8)

Please.....

YES, abuse of E can cause stuttering, but NO I do not think it's a permanent condition. Saying that it isn't a side effect just because there aren't any documented occurances of it being permanent is ludicrous.
 
You clearly don't have a clue what stuttering is. You don't "get" stuttering for a week and then it goes away. If that was all stuttering was it wouldn't matter a toss to anybody. Stuttering is usually a life-long condition starting at the age of 4 or 5. You arn't a "stutterer" just because you stumble over a word after being on E for 3 days.

Saying that it isn't a side effect just because there aren't any documented occurances of it being permanent is ludicrous.

Actually I'm saying there arn't any documented cases of stuttering being caused by Ecstasy at all for ANY length of time. The only "evidence" is anonymous kids on bluelight self-diagnosing themselves as stuttering because they stumble over a word or two after being on E for 3 days straight. My guess is if any of them went to a speech therapist and called that a "stutter" they would told quite firmly to fuck off and stop wasting the therapists time.
 
I've had the loss for words thing a day after rolling. I said one time after my friend tipped his mattress on me: "Stop the mattress off me!"

its like the words swap round; also I forget what things are because after rolling 3 beans I got home and there was a lighthouse in some advert on TV and I forgot what it was.
 
Ismene said:
You clearly don't have a clue what stuttering is. You don't "get" stuttering for a week and then it goes away. If that was all stuttering was it wouldn't matter a toss to anybody. Stuttering is usually a life-long condition starting at the age of 4 or 5. You arn't a "stutterer" just because you stumble over a word after being on E for 3 days.

Saying that it isn't a side effect just because there aren't any documented occurances of it being permanent is ludicrous.

Actually I'm saying there arn't any documented cases of stuttering being caused by Ecstasy at all for ANY length of time. The only "evidence" is anonymous kids on bluelight self-diagnosing themselves as stuttering because they stumble over a word or two after being on E for 3 days straight. My guess is if any of them went to a speech therapist and called that a "stutter" they would told quite firmly to fuck off and stop wasting the therapists time.
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This is the last thing I'm going to say on the matter.

You clearly then have no idea what drug induced stuttering is then. And yes, I have a friend that I've known since 7th grade who stutters, so maybe, just maybe, I might know what the fuck I'm talking about.

For about a month or so after I stopped using E (following almost 4 years of heavy use), I stuttered. In fact, I was WORSE than my friend, he actually commented on it and was worried about me. Thankfully it faded away. My brain slowly fixed all the problems I had caused it, but it took years to fully recover.
 
Millions upon millions of people have been taking E for the last 20-30 years. You'd expect there to be one acknowledged case in medical literature saying "E caused stuttering" by now.
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There are no academic reports of people glowsticking that I'm aware of either. :) A lot of smaller things simply never get published. Something only gets into the literature if it comes to the attention of a doctor or scientist (typically this means that it was something serious enough to drive a person to seek medical help) AND they thought it was important or interesting enough to publish a report on it.

It's certainly true that anecdotes on the internet need to be evaluated skeptically, but given enough reports a consensus often emerges. Can 'ecstasy' cause people to see glasses on other people's faces? The medical/research journals have no idea, but enough people (who seemed to have no reason to lie) have reported that they've experienced that visual illusion, so I feel confident that it can and does happen.
 
It's MDA that causes the glasses visuals, not MDMA. So if people get that form 'ecstacy' then they ain't getting what they paid for.
 
It's MDA that causes the glasses visuals, not MDMA.
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I think that's overly simplistic. While MDA appears to be more likely to cause visuals, MDMA isn't entirely visual-free even at 'normal' doses (changes in textures, how color and contrast are perceived, etc.) There is no reason to doubt that MDMA at higher doses can't produce equally great distortions in the visual processing centers of the brain.

Visuals (or other illusions/hallucinations) are basically just a matter of making your brain 'sloppy'; making it misjudge things, giving too much importance to some cues and not enough to others. Virtually any psychoactive drug has some potential to cause distorted perception (with the hallucinogens, which tend to have a mixture of sedative and stimulant effects, being particularly disruptive to your brain's ability to keep things strait.)

You might imagine your brain as a highway that carries information. Simply slow almost everything down (as sedatives usually do) and you almost never get visuals/hallucinations. Tell everything to speed up a little and you can actually sharpen the mind. But, speed things up too far (say, with high doses of amphetamine) and the orderly flow of information still suffers. Tell half the cars to speed up and half of them to slow down (as MDA, MDMA and many psychedelics seem to do) and you can make an interesting mess even at normal doses.
 
TheDEA.org said:
It's certainly true that anecdotes on the internet need to be evaluated skeptically, but given enough reports a consensus often emerges. Can 'ecstasy' cause people to see glasses on other people's faces? The medical/research journals have no idea, but enough people (who seemed to have no reason to lie) have reported that they've experienced that visual illusion, so I feel confident that it can and does happen.
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I don't think people are lying. What I think happens is this. A kid reads on the internet "E causes stuttering". The next time he talks to a friend who he knows has taken E and he stumbles over a word a big red buzzer goes off in his head "MY GOD, HE JUST STUMBLED OVER A WORD. IT MUST BE THE E!!!!!"

10 minutes later he talks to someone he knows has never taken E and they stumble over their words just as often but he pays no attention to it because he knows they've never taken E.

The next day he talks to his friend he knows has taken E - this time he's even more alert to the slightest stumble and sure enough it happens. By now he's convinced - "THE MAN ON THE INTERNET WAS TELLING THE TRUTH".

Read or watch a magician called Derren Brown to understand how easy it is to misdirect people like this.
 
I totally agree with you Ismene that your theory would account for a percentage of the reports........however its not an often discussed topic in here so I doubt its as high a percentage as say those who claim they have lost spinal fluid and what should they do..........lol, No doubt every single one of those is due to the power of suggestion.

So while I agree with your idea and am also certain that what your saying occurs in here a lot..........I think in this case there is probably something to it..........however it doesnt appear to be long term and may actually not be true stuttering as it may be just that the brain is still racing and tripping over itself.

Time will tell I guess.
 
Ismene, you have a good point but I'll say this, I used E long before ever even hearing of Bluelight or any other discussion boards and knew nothing of the sides of rolling.

I've read on the boards of my many side effects (not stuttering but I haven't used a lot) and almost everything is no new news to most people on here from what I read. Until you can definitely prove that long term abuse of E can cause stuttering, I think it's ignorant to say that it doesn't.

Can't we just agree to disagree with saying, "careful with E because it may cause stuttering due to long term abuse"?
 
Technic said:
i dont stutter i just use the wrong words in sentences and it totally doesnt makes sense.. like "how are you up to" or sum shit like that lol.. its really bad a couple of days after, but it just gets better n better as time goes on
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haha!!! I had to reply because this is me to a...umm..whats the word?..

I'll just be saying something thinking about it for a minute.. then reply to someone and just say some shit that doesn't make any sense but the words are real.

Then I just hope they don't notice..
 
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