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Stupid people and smart people: visuals and trips

hiphophippy

hiphophippy

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Now please Noone take this as an insult, obviously with moderate-high doses of most psychs you are going to see shiz alright. But from my general observation it seems that more outwardly intelligent people go on trips while using psyches while less outwardly intelligent people mostly just see things? has anyone else noticed this pattern?

My best example is that when I was tripping my friend. who... I would not state was the brightest bulb in the box took less lsd than me and was just looking at things I had three hits of good shit and he had one of some eh....
SO I call him over to me while I'm peaking on some crazy out of body shiznit. Tune him into that from his "hey the tapestries are dancing stuff." and set him on his way. come to find out in the morning he woke up at white bird because he passed out. Well actually he blacked out and the found him eating dirt and rocks, with a busted lip because he straight fell form standing onto his face. I have some other sorces of data as well but this seems to be a pattern withing my data sets. Please discus/postulate.
 
I doubt it relates to intelligence, but it's possible. What strikes me about visuals is how they're always really an extension of the experience, not a separate effect from the mind-warp. Or, well, that's what it seems like at least. I've never had particularly strong visuals on anything I've tried yet. It varies between substances. Some find mescaline has quite strong visuals, others get almost none at all, but find that on shrooms, they do. It's highly variable.

For your data set, I'm fairly but not extraordinarily above average intelligence, and I usually don't get much visuals. I got nothing out of third plateau DXM.

It may actually relate to development of the visual cortex. My left eye is short-sighted and has been for my whole life. At a guess, this may have influenced the early development of my brain, and psychedelics just don't trigger visuals that much.
 
I'm not sure how much I trust people who talk about dramatic visuals - I think a lot of people feel pressurised to say "I saw an elephant in a pink tutu dancing down the street" because they think that's what LSD is supposed to do.
 
As said, intelligence isn't black and white.

My thoughts: Different people have different mindsets and thus are able get into different frames of mind, regardless of whether on psychedelics or not.
 
Never Knows Best said:
What metric are you using to gauge intelligence for this? I mean, it's not a single axis scale like most people seem to talk about it, it's multidimensional. I think your hypothesis needs to be more precise/clear for any meaningful conjecture to take place.
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General output of intelligence. He is a brilliant drummer and usually a nice person. But he does immature and childish things and has yet to get most of his shit together. he often seeks advice and knowledge from me and I'm like 5 years younger than him. like I said not the brightest bulb. I can't set an IQ level because this isn't some sort of formal study.

You can be infinitely wise and very unknowledgeable as well as infinitely knowledgeable and extremly unwise.
 
Help?!?! said:
Theres simply those who trip to see pretty colors and theres those who seek much more.
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I don't think they're mutually exclusive. I know people who get a lot from visual-free trips and I know people who get a lot from trips that include that pink elephant. The same goes for those who don't learn much.

Both are inherent parts of the experience but the experience varies based on more than just your intelligence. (Intelligence is arguably one of the least influential, after considering physiology, set and setting, etc.)
 
I feel intelligence doesn't have much to do with it except that those without certain knowledges may just trip to see pretty colors while others may see more. Thats simply all I meant. I haven't revived serious OEV's since I used a lot of LSD during the first portions of my tripping experiences.
 
Based on IQ tests and school and uni results I am of above average intelligence and I seem to get visuals easily and absolutely love them.

Visuals that combine with nature like clouds, the ocean, trees are probably my favourite thing about tripping. Psychedelic thoughts and memories forming visuals related to what I'm thinking about is also awesome.

I'm not sure if my love of visuals means that I'm having mentally 'shallow' experiences compared to others or if for some reason I just love visuals more than others.
 
Aesthetic appreciation is by no means somehow indicative of intellectualism - what, are artists shallow people? 8)

Look, the mindset and introspect is an integral part of the trip, but so is just drinking in the profundity of how much beauty your own mind can generate at alarming speed. If I'm shallow because I can appreciate beauty, then a big FU eh :P
 
IamMe90 said:
Aesthetic appreciation is by no means somehow indicative of intellectualism - what, are artists shallow people? 8)

Look, the mindset and introspect is an integral part of the trip, but so is just drinking in the profundity of how much beauty your own mind can generate at alarming speed. If I'm shallow because I can appreciate beauty, then a big FU eh :P
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you're talking to the guy who sits down and feels objects for fun. (when I'm sober)
 
i think this theory is bollocks, visuals you either get or you dont and its not related to how intelligent you are.
 
Pegasus said:
As said, intelligence isn't black and white.
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pofacedhoe said:
i think this theory is bollocks, visuals you either get or you dont and its not related to how intelligent you are.
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yes i think any idea that works on the idea "some people are better then others" is doomed to fail

this kind of idea usually plays off peoples' own big-headedness [which itself is usually a farce cover up for one's own psychological complexes]
 
It was a hypothetical conversation starter I'm much more entertained by watching other people discuss things that I was about this theory. It isn't serious and was meant to provoke discussion.
 
I think it's that a intelligent person appreciate the deep thinking part of a trip and therefore focuses on that.
While a stupid person appreciate the "high" and colors more then the deep thinking and therefor talks about that.
So I would say that we probably see and think pretty much alike but we take different things from our trips.

Oooh and if someone likes the deep part of the trip he will be thinking a lot and there for be more thinking.
But you get the point.
 
Help?!?! said:
Theres simply those who trip to see pretty colors and theres those who seek much more.
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But what if you were a gifted visual artist, for instance? Would you not feel that those colors were much more? I bet someone who spends their life mastering the art of using color and shape effectively would find the colors and shapes to be the most interesting part!

A gifted mathematician might think "the more" is a new perspective on an interrelationship, or a gifted philosopher may believe its the ability to approach the idea of morality in a novel way... Whatever. My point is that there's nothing wrong with tripping to enjoy the stunning visual world that is produced, if that's your thing. What you find useful in the psychedelic experience depends on who you are as an individual, your strengths/weaknesses, etc etc

Personally, I'm not so into visuals; however when I trip, I invariably do so to listen to music. Not to sound like a philistine, but I could really care less about the "deep" revelations-- I mostly ignore them. I want to experience the music in a new way, just like you experience color in a new way when you "see trippy colors". Because I'm a music freak.

I learned long ago that the content of the psychedelic experience is 99% bullshit anyway: its just a weird thing that's there. What you decide to take away from it is completely up to you.
 
Acetylcholine levels have a large effect on "intelligence". Low acetylcholine causes delirium. Deliriants enhance psychedelics. Coincidence?

But nah, this theory isn't true. Trips are just different for different people. Some of the smartest people I know get visuals like crazy, and some of the dumbest people I know just don't like psychedelics because they "feel weird". I myself scored pretty high on IQ tests and consider myself to be at least of pretty high average-level intelligence and I really don't care about the mental aspects of tripping, my first few times were interesting because they were especially stimulating so I thought 'faster', but I already thought in some pretty strange and abstract ways before tripping and psychedelics didn't really change that much. I'm an artist at heart, and I think visuals are just about the coolest thing ever, especially when they're really strong.
 
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