Stuck snorting

[xxsicknessxx]

I started snorting suboxon and I can't seem to get back to taking it normally. Anyone have any thoughts? I snort 1.5 a day. I get 2 a day. 2x8mg pills.

But even 2 8mg pills does not even up with snorting 1.5 plus I find that I can snort .2mg at a time and im happy but if I take it under the tounge even the full dose I want more later. I don't mind snorting but I fear that im hurting my nose bad (9years abusing it already) im sober now except for suboxon and snorting it. So after 9 years of this I think my nose needs a break. I want to stop but like I said I just end up taking more then I should when I take it like I should.

I can have my parents hold them for me and give me two a day and just take the uneasy feeling I get from not snorting I guess. But I find that after one day Im back to snorting. Do you think if I snort half and take half this might work? or safe snorting half till the end of the night.

This may seem silly to you guys but I feel like its only reminding me of my past and keeping me stuck craving my dosage all day long I don't think its healthy. This should be a med. Taking it should not be the highlight of my day. Any help would be great I hope I posted in the right place I did it here becasue its leading me to the dark side again its a dark part of my past. I want to take it and forget about it

 

[piebald]

i THINK i understand where your coming from because i used to snort things even when i knew they had a higher bioavailability when taken orally..in my case i think i think i needed that process or "ritual" of preparing drugs/wether IV or snorting or whatever..there was something about that action that i was sort of addicted too..it was weird i can def. relate..i used subs and snorted em all the time until i switched to the strip kind..i think it was like a behavioral thing for me..but i guess i don't understand your saying "2 8mg pills does not even up with snorting 1.5?

 

[FattyAcid]

If you're just worried about your nose, I'd start putting it in a saline solution and metering out your doses.

 

[Bojangles69]

Yes that or get strips not sure what you are using but I dissolve my strips in water first then snort them. I use to love plugging them but even with fiber I can't seem to empty my colon enough to be able to plug properly. Snorting 4mg to me is like taking 6-7mg sublingual (although now I currently snort 3.25mg), depending on if you brush your teeth first and what not. And alcohol sublingual always felt stronger. But yeh I snort them but dissolve them in water first (filtering would prob be additionally beneficial to your nose but with pills you'd likely waste too much) and have never felt like I am damaging my nose.

There is one major downside to snorting sub strips in water because for me after 2-3 months of doing it now my nose is always runny and dripping water. So *maybe in fact I am damaging my nose I am not a doctor and only assuming I'm not. It does annoy the living fuck out of me some days.

Only more reason for me to get a syringe and shoot it im. I think that way would ideally be best for me since I refuse to try aiming for a vein or inject. I will double filter if I have to just so I know its clean. Oh and about your moral dilema with snorting I DO NOT view the way I take suboxone in anyway as an issue or something that makes my addiction worse. Because 95% of the time I always take the same dose. And if I find a way of taking the sub with a higher ba I LOWER my dose so its roughly equal to my old dose. That way I do not see it as a morally bad thing. All I care about is saving money. I hate blowing money on drugs. So im will help me a lot in that respect.

 

[Legerity]

Yeah I understand how you feel; I'd prefer not to take a med at all than to take a dose that is not effective and get a small percentage of the effect.

Does snorting create a difference in the effect that causes you to prefer it, or is it purely an issue of tolerance/dosage?

I have barely any experience with opiates but off the top of my head I could imagine the following could possibly help in some way. Of course just stopping everything by tapering is also an option but i'm just going based on your post which indicates your goal is not to currently stop:

1. Try for one week eating half and insufflating the other half
2. The next seek, eat the entire dose. If you feel uncomfortable, this is GOOD. In order to experience the effects of a medication you need to have the contrast of NOT feeling it in order to fully benefit from the effects.
3. After this week, return to eating half and insufflating half. Due to the contrast of having only swallowed your dosage for a week, the effects should in theory feel stronger than they were before.
4. The next week, take your fully dose orally only again. Experience the discomfort.
5. The next week, take only half your oral dose. Do not insufflate anything. Experience the discomfort.
6. If you can handle it, try nothing for a week.

Now at this point, you could decide that this is a huge hassle and you rather just top it completely. Or you may still want the effects and prefer to return.
I would suspect that after this whole game of adjusting to various contrasts if you were to take your full dose orally at this point it MAY be enough for you.

That said, I strongly believe in general that using any substance daily makes it extremely difficult or impossible to continue to get full effects. There is no contrast! I read this over and over again with people using opiates that is completely loses the effects. People who use substances in other patterns (i.e. stimulants) are able to continue to get effects sometimes indefinitely. They may change, and this may or may not be a GOOD thing to continue using over a long period of time, but it's the reality that everybody does the same thing with opiates and it is almost never sustainable.

When I was taking xanax 5-6 times a week, I continued to get effects and it was helpful at 5 or 1mg per day. When I used every single night but only 0.5mg, it lost it's effect and didn't really do anything anymore. I know the substances and dosages are not the same but there are general principles that operate. One week is just an arbitrary time period you could go by how you feel.

So what I mean by this is; unless you integrate some periods of not being on the medication, you will be likely to just lose the effects and increase tolerance all over again. This may mean it's necessary to regularly intentionally go through withdrawal once or twice a week. I do not know. But if you want to continue without increasing dosage that is the only way I could imagine doing so.

So anyways I could be completely wrong this really just what I would do for myself if I was trying to come up with a plan with your goal in mind. Feel free to disregard

And the point of this is not at all to tell anybody to go get high or that it is a better option than stopping. But if somebody's gonna continue might as well do it as safely and effectively as possible.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

i THINK i understand where your coming from because i used to snort things even when i knew they had a higher bioavailability when taken orally..in my case i think i think i needed that process or "ritual" of preparing drugs/wether IV or snorting or whatever..there was something about that action that i was sort of addicted too..it was weird i can def. relate..

Its the same thing for me as well. If I take oxycodone orally there wasn't a "rush" of the high coming on, the overall effects were milder but they lasted longer. If I snorted them I got stronger effects, the "rush", but they wore off sooner. For me, my ritual in the morning way back when was eating one (15mg) and snorting half to a whole one about 15 minutes later (another 7.5mg-15mg). Over the course of the day I'd eat or snort more depending on how I felt, I always tried to stay "up" until bed time and by the end of it would eat one and a half before bed so I wouldn't wake up in the middle of sleep.

I was in love with the whole ritual of snorting the pill too. Busting it down into the perfect powder, cutting out those perfectly even lines...I learned from one of the best and prided myself on it at one point -,-. Hell I enjoyed the burn and even the drip tasted good to me, the only thing I really didn't care for was the watery eyes. I even licked up the scraps on the plate because they taste so good! I had even perfected the art of switching sides and keeping my nose clear as not to fuck it up (kinda worked...heh).

There is something to it. Myself and many other people seem to prefer snorting even though its a waste of the drug if you go by the numbers.

 

[xxsicknessxx]

Thanks for the info.... Well I have to take this drug for reasons like I need the pain relief (had gastric bypass it went wrong I have very bad pain) I can't take normal opiets so suboxon is kinda like meeting the addiction half way. Yea im addicted but abusing it doesn't help I can take it like normal it seems to help no matter what... Its healing my brain and it keeps me from abusing other drugs.. it helps me stay sober.. im stuck with it for now.. some day I will taper or quit but not now.

I think im going to start taking my full does in the after noon and stick to it. No more saving half for the morning or saving half for night or snorting 2mg all day.. im just confusing my self I don't think it works well anymore... and i don't get a real high anyway its a 10min feel better then want more.. its stupid. I hate my fear of using all my drugs..

I MEAN why am i scared? what could possibly happen where 4mg of suboxon would save my life. Nothing. It can't stop a panic attack it can't cure real pain it can't do anything.. I won't withdraw in one day... AHHH i know the facts im just ignoring them and snorting out of some sickness of the brain.

it stops tom. thats it....... NO MORE SNORTING for me!!! .... maybe

 

[herbavore]

This may seem silly to you guys but I feel like its only reminding me of my past and keeping me stuck craving my dosage all day long I don't think its healthy. This should be a med. Taking it should not be the highlight of my day. Any help would be great I hope I posted in the right place I did it here becasue its leading me to the dark side again its a dark part of my past. I want to take it and forget about it

Nothing seems silly at all. You are trying to work out feelings about something that you have a healthy fear of. Good for you for exploring those feelings out in the air. I know that you are really committed to your sobriety and changing habits from the past that made you feel trapped. Just be gentle with yourself and work towards getting where you want to be rather than beating yourself up for not being there right now. Good luck, xx

 

[xxsicknessxx]

I just wonder do you think saving lets say 4mg for the AM in case I feel the need for it is a bad habit?
My thoughts are this. I always get my dose every day its always 12mg. I won't not get a dose the next day. If I take it all at once im getting a larger amount all at once so no matter how I take it so long as its all at once I will feel it more and even if it wears off I should feel it more then 2 mg at once snorted. Also Holding back 4mg that I could be taking just makes me think about the 4mg all night and all day. I want to take it every time I wake up (I often do) I often want to take it in the middle of the night as soon as I wake up I want to take it... I mean right now im thinking should I do it under the tounge of snort 2mg and save 2mg or save it all.. I know I could go to sleep I just... its bothering me a lot like I said this is a big issue right now in my life and I don't feel like it should be. Im trying to weigh the chance that taking that 4mg now would make me feel better and be better for me then holding it out at thinking about it. Even if I save it till the am I know I will take 2mg when I wake and save 2mg till 10 and take that so I could have 2 hours till i get my next dose.
Its a pattern. I should break it.. right any thoughts?
Should I snort it all, or take it like normal or hold it. I really have a huge self control issue. Having it might be stressing me out more then if I just took it. I should just go to bed im staying up hoping someone has a answer. This is another issue of mine my lack of ability to solve problems on my own sometimes. Im being OCD really 4mg one way or the other doesn't matter... but I don't want to go to sleep till I hear replys. Im staying up for this.. wow im messed up.

 

[xxsicknessxx]

I feel so pathetic. I have my full 12mg 1 8mg pill and a half 8 mg pill
12mg of suboxon in front of me. I had a plan. Take 8mg at once under the tounge. save 4mg.

Now im thinking.. snort 2mg... even though recentely I noticed getting panic attacks after snorting 2mg (is this possible) im not sure if its becasue i feel im doing something wrong or scared to get caught or its the fillers and they are causing me issues. I have this horrible fear of taking my suboxon normally. why? I guess im worried I will be bord the rest of the day or feel bad and not have a pill to take... someone talk some sense into me. Im not making any am I? Im just stuck in my addiction. I mean I got sober from everything this is my last skelton in the closet what should I do? sublingle the 8mg or just stick to what I do and snort away I mean if I snort 2mg now.. maybe I will feel good for 10min.. but then I want more I know I will... and the thing is I don't even feel bad right now I just feel normal its the weirdest thing why do I feel the need to redose and snort.. omg im going to be like this forever. I can't take my dam meds like normal.

tom. I see my doctor hes putting me back to 16mg then I guess I will feel ok taking 8mg like normal. even though im getting more I won't take more.. but if I have 8mg left over then I won't worry... one more day of snorting I guess.. but I just got a roomate if he finds out im going be kicked out house.. its hard to snort something in a clean and sober house. Even though its just suboxon... I mean I am taking a risk.

 

[xxsicknessxx]

Well one 8mg pill left whole. 4mg snorted. I keep falling into the habit. I don't know why. I really don't.

I need a push someone to tell me taking it like normal is the right thing to do that it will be fine I will feel better and worry less that im not really getting high that breaking it up all day and snorting it won't get me more results at 12mg anyway. Someone? Help me break this cycle.

I dunno if I sound silly but this is serious I have to be able to hold my own pills and take them like normal before I move out in two weeks. This is as far as I can tell the road block on my way back to getting my life. If I can't do this I see my recovery breaking apart from depression alone if nothing else. I need advise, or help, or a push, im not sure. I have no one else to turn to but you guys. I am a strong person I have come back from the edge of oblivion and got most of my life back but before I can get over the bridge I must get this out of my way. Its blocking me from the other side.
Any thoughts are welcome. Like I said it may seem silly, if I know why can't I just take it like normal but I can't I get my pill and think for hours and hours then finally snort 2mg to think more clearly then I decide I might well do the other half and do 2mg more then im left with 8mg and I want to save 4mg for the morning so I figuer I might well snort the other half of it so I get more out of it then under the tounge.... I reason it out in a insane way and its killing me inside.
*sigh* 8mg left.... *taps his hand* what will I do.

 

[cj]

I think your freaking out over nothing. Yea snorting it may be addictive behavior but your an addict so thats not really shocking. Lots of people on sub maintenance snort or even shoot there doses so your not alone. Like I advised you in your thread over in BDD get your doctor to up your dose tell him your having cravings but not about the snorting. But yea if this is the only drug your doing then bravo man thats not too bad.

 

[Missykins]

This post belongs in "Other Drugs" not TDS where people are not looking for ways to abuse drugs.

 

[xxsicknessxx]

This post belongs in "Other Drugs" not TDS where people are not looking for ways to abuse drugs.

The mods moved my post from other drugs over here. So I it does belong here. If ya got anything helpful to post please do. Well I thank everyone for there advise. Any my thoughts welcome, still holding on to that 8mg.

By the way I said im trying to not abuse them, not get high. I hate the addict part of me that gets me to snort them. Im not doing it for a high (or maybe I am) but I don't mean to. I just want to take them and have them work the best possibly they can. I tricked my self awhile ago thinking snorting would give me more and make it last longer and work better now im stuck in that habit. Im just trying to seek advise on how to best break this habit. Maybe this seems stupid to you but to me its a real problem im working on.

Im clean and sober, this is my last vise I snort my suboxon (but I don't abuse it take to much) I take my normal dose I just got in the habit of snorting and im trying to break it. Its not a easy task for me, and Im not sure why.

Anyway this is where they told me to post these questions, and they moved it from that forum, so yea thanks again for the helpful response maybe read my thread next time and not assume.

 

[herbavore]

I was thinking that since it is the behavior, (and the negative associations that the behavior brings up for you) that is troubling you, that maybe some of the behavior changing therapies might work. CBT and EMDR are both possibilities. I think you are American which means that you may or may not have access to coverage for therapy but you could ask your doctor for a referral and let him/her know specifically that you are wanting to work on changing old behaviors.

 

[xxsicknessxx]

Well I take 8mg now like i should and snort 4mg and im almost ready to stop snorting all together. I cut my smoking in half and my enegery drinks in half and quit drinking coffie. Im slowly starting to feel better, and more happy. Its amazing.
Thank you for helping me through this. Im not all the way there but tom. Im going to take my 8 in the am then 4 in the pm and not snort any of it.

 

[Missykins]

I don't know why they moved your post over here. I don't think it's a stupid post.

If you are using your medications in a way that is other than how they were prescribed, then you are abusing them. You began snorting them with
the intent of getting high.

This may be buried in your post but have you spoken with your doctor?

 

[effie]

xxsicknessxx, I'm really glad you are starting to feel better

I agree with herbavore - you've mentioned OCD in your thread in BDD, and it's clear that you have fallen into a pattern that you are finding hard to break. Snorting your subs might not be a huge problem for some people in maintenance therapy, but it is clearly distressing you a lot, especially now you have realised it is something you can't easily stop doing - so it's perfectly reasonable to want to address it Herbavore has made some excellent suggestions - I think this could be the way forwards for you, if you find that you can't manage it on your own

If you can quit on your own, though - then great! Just don't be afraid to reach out for support if you need it.

It's not a silly post at all! I think it was moved because the main issue is the psychological problem with not being able to stop snorting, rather than a discussion about the best ROA for subs, which would be covered by BDD/OD. The difficulty is that discussing your specific plans to snort meds (rather than generally talking abou the issue) could be triggering for people trying to stay away from opiates, so try to watch out for that

 

[xxsicknessxx]

I don't know why they moved your post over here. I don't think it's a stupid post.

If you are using your medications in a way that is other than how they were prescribed, then you are abusing them. You began snorting them with
the intent of getting high.

This may be buried in your post but have you spoken with your doctor?

Well no. I started snorting becasue I ran low and had to make a smaller dose last. However once I got my perscription back I was unable to stop snorting.
Im not trying to get high. I get gastric bypass. My old doc used give me vic, ox, and fent. I choose to get clean from pain meds it was a choice I made. I want to be clean I know I have to take a opiets for the rest of my life. My sugary had complications which opiets help with including massive pain. So I choose suboxon its worked in the past and I have stayed clean and sober 7months which is amazing for me. I just got into the habit of snorting and its been hard to stop. I am slowly snorting half putting half under tounge and I think I can stop with in the next week.

My doctor knows my history and that I have abused suboxon before but not that I snort it now. I know he would be cool about it but I don't want to take a chance. I need suboxon. Its given me my life back.

 

[effie]

You've done really well staying clean, you should be very proud! Suboxone is a lifeline for many people, I'm glad it has worked for you

If you are still having trouble stopping snorting, I really would take herbavore's advice.. there is no shame in seeking some support! From your posts I can tell that taking your Suboxone sublingually, as prescribed, makes you feel a lot calmer and less chaotic, and works a lot better, so it is quite reasonable to ask for some help in tackling your difficulties with stopping snorting

However it sounds like you have a solid plan and may be able to kick this on your own - which is fantastic, good luck!

Don't be afraid to reach out if you need help however