Stressed US troops in Iraq 'turning to drugs'

These guys literally have to use drugs after all the atrocities they witness and COMMIT. It's no surprise to me. Kill the senses so you don't feel the pain of what you did that day, makes perfect sense to me. I sure as fuck know that I couldn't handle blasting a bunch of poor young men from IRAQ without heavy dosages of heroin and alcohol. I don't even use H, but to do that kind of shit ~ i'd need it. God, the military sickens me. How about these dipshits find a better job where they are not in the business of killing people ? Anyone in that business is going to have stress and anxiety problems, I guarentee you.
 
to be blunt and conspicuous i will admit that i am a US soldier who recently returned from Iraq and the problem really isn't the drugs consumed/smoked, etc in Iraq (although i've known some to smoke hash and a few others to drink a bit whilst in our stay) the problem is everybody coming back and doing drugs.

I myself have been caught with a positive uac for thc during my first month back. And i'm not the only one I can name right now 20 or so people that I know who even continue to this day to do drugs who really never did prior to deployment. Another battalion next to us just had a random piss test and busted 20 soldiers for ecstasy use which is the most prominent drug taken right now by soldiers in my area and another in my unit was caught last saturday rolling hardcore outside the barracks talking to people. I can say that I'm more stressed than I was before. I've taken lives, had friends die, and have had countless close calls myself so I can see where they are coming from but I think the military should reasess the situation and not strike down so hard on troops for the first offense. I myself was a Sergeant and now I'm a private but able to continue duty. I've had no issues other than this small offense I committed and I have to walk around daily with my head in shame.


just my two cents
 
^ As a Middle Eastern, I'm truly sorry for what you guys have to go through for such a bullshit reasoned war. I hope everything gets resolved in a few years (or cools down a little bit; it doesn't look like it will end for a long time really) so that all of foreign soldiers who don't believe in this war can come back to their loved ones without getting too much hurt or loosing your lives. For the ones that still beleive in it, I don't have anything to say; maybe they should take some courses to develop their brain or see some professional about their mental problems. It is such a shame that military doesn't have much logic, lots of these guys who don't see the point of this war gets killed there or forcefully becomes a killer and they or their families will have to live with this for the rest of their lives while the people who make these decisions will look at it as a part of their strategy; fucking unbelievable.

Fruitfly, it is true that Turkey is a secular, democratic republic state but as you said %98-99 is Muslim. I just wanted to remind that there is a vastly Muslim populated country where drug charges are handled another way than capital punishment.
 
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Just another war....ON drugs.
Don't you folks just love how history always repeats itself?
As long as America's politicians feel that is our duty to be the policemen of the world......shit like this will continue generation after generation.
 
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* I am warning you guys for the last time, I will not let this thread get Hijacked in yet another political debate on war in Iraq, we have dozens of threads in CE&P on this topic so please discuss it there and stay on topic here. Otherwise this thread will be closed. Thank You *
 
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Are you reffering to the war in Iraq or the drug use in Iraq?
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both!

I a war like 40 -45 you fight, and you don't have to wait hours and hours in fears..

You fight... you sleep!

but in Nam and Iraq, you wait for a patrol or a mission, in a country where everybody hates you and wants you dead. And you don't know the reason for your mission and your stay in that shithole! so logically you turn to drugs.. little amusement and relieves the stress.

In a war like 40-45, you fight and kill germans ( no offence to german BL'ers) after that you truimph through the streets... everybody cheers at you... al local girls fancy you... so there is no reason for dope!
 
Less than 20% hate the troops. That 20% percent is the Sunni population. Well, they might all hate the US, but only the Sunnis are killing everyone.

Now, back to the topic. They should definitely crackdown on drug use. They shouldn't discharge the soldiers but punish them and/or get them help. The only drug that should be allowed there is alcohol. Taking x to get away from problems will only make it worse. And weed will just make you too "peacefull" at a time when you have to be on your toes and paranoid about everyone in the country. I haven't been in combat or anything but I would focus on the mission of staying alive and getting a grip on the horrors of war.
 
two per cent of the troops from one brigade have been charged with drug and alcohol abuse
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this just mirrors american society as a whole

correct me if I am not mistaken that buying or selling drugs in any muslim country is punishable by death ?
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weird double negative here discussing a weird double standard. But anyway you have obviously never been to Morocco, very islamic, very stoned. Afganistan is one of the more fundamentalist muslim societies yet is the source of most of the world's heroin. Only Iran and Saudi Arabia are ruled by pure and strict sharia (the code of law based on the Koran) each with their own interpretation, though most muslim countries incorporate a varying degrees of sharia into their civil and/or criminal codes. And Iran and Saudi Arabia do execute drug dealers and smugglers (but of course there are still drug dealers and smugglers operating there). Most other muslim countries do have very harsh drug laws but enforcement is another story altogether.

Iraq today is not ruled by sharia, it is basically ruled by US martial law; Iraq does not even have a constitution right now.
 
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He received a seven month confinement, was demoted to private and given a bad conduct discharge.
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HOLY SHIT! wow that sucks for him

i hate the way this article is written like its something out of the ordinary. i know a LOT of military people, and pleanty of them are pretty hardcore with drug use. i [allegedly] know a marine who served in iraq who is pretty high up in the cid distribution ring, guy always has like 500+ hits just laying around. i know a couple marines that served in both iraq and bosnia and afghanistan who all use H coke ecstasy etc (of course cannabis and alcohol). i know a crapton of people in the army/navy/air force that smoke herb maybe do a little white and E and of course drink, all whom have served. in fact, out of all those i know in the forces, i think i know maybe 3 or 4 that dont do drugs. and these arent people detrimental to society. all of them i know are flag waving, red blooded, right minded patriots who would go back overseas in a heartbeat if they were asked to do so.

i do also know a few sad stories of people that were complete deliquents in the military with drugs, who were discharged for failed urinalysis or posession. shit i know a dude that they gave 3 strikes too and he failed each time. some people just cant handle it, just like some civilians cant handle doing drugs. i think drug use in the military is just as common, if not moreso, as it is in the civilian world.

hell, my fav weekly at club nation in washington DC was shut down a few years back b/c of alleged military drug use - it was said that too many military personell were caught buying, selling, and using drugs in the club (i mean thats totally a good reason to shut it down for everyone else too). supposedly a lot of military personell were selling ecstasy and glass there, and on top of that, the DC military district deemed club nation to be "too gay anyways." (taken from a quote from the washington post)
 
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hmmm...

I enlisted in the marines in Jan. of 2001 to get away from what I was into here at home (selling weed & E)...

Bootcamp really changed me and I became a role model in my unit when I eventually hit the fleet. ( I had perfect physical fitness scores, excellent conduct marks, all my additional education was completed, I knew my job very well; sattelite communications technician, etc.)

In November 2002, my unit was getting deployed to Kuwait prior to the war in Iraq and I did a little partying before I left the states (dropped a pill for the first time in years). As soon as I arrived in Kuwait I had a piss test...I didnt think much of it because I rolled 4 days earlier, It should have been out of my system...

To make a long story short....In June 2003, I return to Kuwait from Iraq only to be greeted with drug use charges and a court martial. I plead not guilty since I was less than 5 nanograms over the threshold for mdma on their piss test. I thought I could beat it because of my excellant reputation, excellent service during the war...I was just gonna play dumb and say there was no way I could have mdma in me...

It didn't work...I didn't get jail time....they took my time in Iraq as punishment enough and I recieved a bad conduct discharge, it is still a punitive discharge like a dishonorable...

They all told me I would never be able to get a job, McDonalds wouldn't even hire me....

They were wrong...I now make 100k+ a year (5 times my old military salary), I used my military background as major leverage in my interviews...

So I was able to get out 2 years early, which I am thankful for...my old unit is about to go out on its third tour in Iraq....All my old friends that are still in are hating life and trying to whatever they can to avoid this third deployment....

They have all said their morale has gone to shit and that drugs/alcohol are easily obtainable once in country...
 
In all reality, I don't see that drug use in the military is up nor do I hear of it internally. I think that the government is making a bigger deal of it simply because the military is still struggling to stamp out the post vietnam view of drug use in the military. Yes, it's a rough job, yes it's stressful, but do you really want military personnel performing their duty while messed up. The military isn't a 9-5 job where one has "normal working hours", at any time you can receive orders to be deployed, or head out on a mission, stand watch, etc... In all reality I wouldn't want anyone in anything but a well rested clear headed mind-set performing my job, after all that's how nuclear accidents result. Truth be told, military personnel in the US are being asked every day to do the impossible, and they're proud to do their jobs.

Also FYI when you join the military (officer or enlisted) you do surrender several of your rights, and a dishonorable discharge means you can't be employed by any companies with government contracts (ie. you won't be able to flip burgers at most fast food places). Oh, also many of these cases are handled through Non-Judicial Punishment, so the Commanding Officer is judge, jury, prosecutor, and defense.
 
dnbmassive said:
to be blunt and conspicuous i will admit that i am a US soldier who recently returned from Iraq . . . Another battalion next to us just had a random piss test and busted 20 soldiers for ecstasy use which is the most prominent drug taken right now by soldiers in my area and another in my unit was caught last saturday rolling hardcore outside the barracks talking to people.
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Nice to hear about ecstacy -- was everyone dancing to funky trance music? Didn't know it could be detected in piss.

LSD can not be detected.

My freinds did H and pot in Vietnam. It was part of the VC strategy to dope and space-out our soldiers.
 
"Didn't know it could be detected in piss."

You must be kidding.
 
You just said 5 nanograms. Whatever, not a detail that really needs to be discussed besides the fact you failed.

Just curious, what kind of job do you have? Did you go to college or was your military experience all you needed?
 
i apologize...it was under 20 nanograms...either way, it was a very small amount over the 200 nanogram threshold...

I work for a major mortgage company...they knew my military discipline and work ethic would make me a good salesperson...
 
dude, just because you dont think him failing by 5 nanograms is an irrelavent detail doesnt mean that someone else doesnt, if i failed a drug test for probation with less than 20 nanograms theyd probably do a retest. What he's saying is he was basically guilty by association because here he could have fought it.
 
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