Stressed US troops in Iraq 'turning to drugs'

PIC said:
"Didn't know it could be detected in piss."

You must be kidding.
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Nope, drug testing doesn't concern me 'cause I'm self employed.

Ecstacy is new to me, I only took it once and have not read much about it.

I never get stopped by the cops while driving either or if I do, I have all my documents handy, always smile, speak sweetly and respect the officer.
 
I seem to be against the grain here, but i dont believe that the troops should be takeing drugs, in a situation id like to know my comrads who are fighting with me were our lives depend on each other arnt under mind altering chemicals. Like drink driving, drug fighting seems rather dangerous.

On the days off however, thats a different question.
 
just about any pheneth. can cause you to fail for amphetamine/methamphetamine.

in a standard NIDA 5 drug test, MDMA will make you fail for methamphetamine. they can do further tests from there to determine if it was mdma, if they have reason to suspect. (meaning when u get pulled over and a cop shines a flashlight directly into your rolling eyeballs and knows instantly how fucked up you are, they can take you to a hospital, test you like that, then do a mdma specific test once u fail for amphetamine)

i am quite sure the military does more extensive testing beyond the standard NIDA 5 urinalysis, and (due to its popularity) im sure they can test directly for MDMA, specifically and seperate from MA or regular amphet.

that being said, even something like 2CB could make u fail for methamphetamine.
 
its possible if they have similiar metabolites, and if that is what you are being tested for.
 
I can't believe the way they come down so heavy on people for basically trying to find a way to deal with the day to day stress of combat. I have a friend wh had several tours in N Ireland (while all the troubles were at their worst) and he has a bad drink problem, but compared to the person in his unit that committed suicide and another who's now a long term psyche patient, I think he's doing well. He saw one of his mates loose the back of his head from a snipers bullet - so he drank heavily while he wasn't on duty - big fucking deal. The poor sods in Iraq are having to deal with the prospect od suicide bombers, so if they get stoned when not on duty in order to cope with the stress, big fucking deal. As long as they're not off their face while they're on duty, where's the problem. You can bet even the ones that get an honourable discharge will get fuck all in the way of follow up psychiatric help (that's what happened to all the people who got honourable discharges due to psychiatric problems after the Falklands).

The military of both the US & the UK are total twats when it comes to after care of people damaged psychologically while doing what thay were asked to do in times of war. To be honest, I'm surprised that they actually still have people signing up. My dad did 10 years in the British Army and at the end they gave him a 'cheers, off you go' with absolutely no follow up, despite spending a year in Korea.

The military do not deserve some of the good people they get, fuck up then throw on the scrap heap
 
Kilgore said:
Less than 20% hate the troops. That 20% percent is the Sunni population. Well, they might all hate the US, but only the Sunnis are killing everyone.
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Moqtada al-Sadr is a Shia.

Do take some speed if you're a helicopter or jet pilot.
 
Originally posted by CreativeRandom
It's not the crime of the century, and using a few drugs every once in a while is certainly acceptable to me if your risking your life to protect America.
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^^^ Risking your life to protect American ... you are joking ... right?

Risking your life at the behest of fat cat leeching bastards in US government and industry I can accept but protect America really is a stretch of the imagination.

Anyway on topic: Soldiers are just a segment of the population and will use drugs too ... Jesus it's not like they have many social events. Can't have those poor soldiers taking drugs occasionally and then thinking for themselves ... God forbid :p
 
THE WOOD said:
just about any pheneth. can cause you to fail for amphetamine/methamphetamine.

in a standard NIDA 5 drug test, MDMA will make you fail for methamphetamine. they can do further tests from there to determine if it was mdma, if they have reason to suspect. (meaning when u get pulled over and a cop shines a flashlight directly into your rolling eyeballs and knows instantly how fucked up you are, they can take you to a hospital, test you like that, then do a mdma specific test once u fail for amphetamine)

i am quite sure the military does more extensive testing beyond the standard NIDA 5 urinalysis, and (due to its popularity) im sure they can test directly for MDMA, specifically and seperate from MA or regular amphet.

that being said, even something like 2CB could make u fail for methamphetamine.
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not so much PHENETHYLAMINE more so the amphetamine-based compounds (ie DOM, DOB) willcause false-positives for (meth)amphetamine(s) 2C-X compounds will not.
 
Hellman said:
Moqtada al-Sadr is a Shia.

Do take some speed if you're a helicopter or jet pilot.
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Why do you care about him? Why aren't you thinking about the big problem?
 
In todays times of practically noone signing up for US military service unless it is truely their last option, the way we treat our soldiers is truely unacceptable.

With all the lip-service we give our military today, (I think I saw a yellow ribbon bumper sticker on 1 out of 5 cars today on the hiway) we still discharge them for taking the edge off with drugs and pay them practically nothing at all.

I do not believe in the war we're fighting, but I do believe in having a kick-ass military, and hearing how we discharge men like SacTown X, who are obvious good men in the military, for a piss test (!) is disturbing and downright stupid.
 
Im sure that the majority of the Military person dont care about speratic drug use in the troops, but if they media found out about lots of drug use of corse they would blow it out of proportion like they do with everything.

Rolling during war though? that would make me think way to much about the people there, especially the ones i killed.
 
Kilgore said:
Why do you care about him? Why aren't you thinking about the big problem?
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At least the biggest problem is not the US soldiers and drugs. The big problem is that there are more people dying in Iraq now than during the Saddam's barbaric administration.
 
in the korean war they used to slam their go pills with SEasian smack. now THATS what i'd do if i was in a god damn war. fuck taking acid in a warzone though re:'nam. That'd be wayyy intense, especially if you got called up to fight while you were still dipping.
 
Well I'm sure most of the soldiers aren't too drugged when they're on duty..

"Rolling during war though? that would make me think way to much about the people there, especially the ones i killed. "
I think the E experience would be a blessing when you're under so much stress 8o
 
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