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strange reagent reactions on Pillreports.

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MrIbis

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It has come to my attention recently that there are some strange pills on the market.

The reports seem to deem them 'amphetamine' reactions - but the reagent colours are extremely different from any amphetamine type reactions i've seen with those reagents.

Now the only reagent I don't have personal experience with is Mecke, as I've never personally needed it.

There are two reports:

http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=23191
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http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=23189
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p_d or anyone else care to speculate?

based on some reactions i've seen in the thread p_d posted recently the marquis reactions and mecke too, look similar to some of the new RCs like 6-APB. But the Simons reaction makes me wonder, as 6-APB is an analogue of MDA and not MDMA i'd assume it was a primary amine like MDA, and wouldn't react with simons?

feel free to correct me here.
 
It's the brownish black reactions to marquis that i question the most. Those are not like amphetamine reactions at all.

maybe very old amphetamine reactions - i'd like to know how long those reactions had been sitting there at the time the photo was taken.
 
photo was taken within 30 seconds of last reagent being added to test plate....all up I can do a test within a minute or so as the photo of reagent bottles are my old ones and I test with new ones so that I can have all the lids off and two reagents at a time. Have had speed based pills test up similar to this in the past.....
the marquis reactions both went orange then brown which according to ez - test charts indicates a speed like substance. The mandelin reaction on the stars I can't comment on but have had this reaction a couple of times in the last 18months.
At the end of the day there are very little reports on PR that have been tested with all 5 reagents with photos...it seems as though no one can be bothered anymore...... not even the mods until 1 did recently. I have still put a warning on these pills and certainly didn't purchase them or consume them. I get testers all the time from various people. Just trying to do my bit in HR.
 
amphetamine sulphate will show up on Mandelin and robadope but haven't had this happen since about 2005 when there was still amph sulphate in Aus - very rare to come across these days...... I have found over the last five years that meth amphet will show a reaction on Marquis, Mandelin and simmons.
 
Is there much difference in the colours? Could be some amphet sulfate finding its way into pills causing a different but still speed reaction?
 
Meth has always tested bright orange in my experience.

the reactions to mandelin are definately not amphetamine type reactions at all.

It could be speculated that there are a great many things that could be in the pills - i for one would look toward RCs with reactions that don't match before labeling anything.

If i get an amphetamine like reaction with marquis, and then the mandelin reaction doesn't follow suit - i'll disregard the marquis reaction as something else.

I've had a great many things show 'positive' amphetamine reactions - such as 4-methylmethcathinone. If one were to follow your line of thinking becam - it would be that you probably have something toward the lines of meth based on the simons reaction.

I'll also note, whilst i've never seen reactions for things like 4-fluoromethamphetamine or similar drugs, this could be speculated to be the cause or something similar. I'll use bk-MDMA as a guide here, but even a slight tinkering of the molecule causes quite a different reaction to a reagent (the yellow/green colour methylone produces on marquis). 6-APB also causes a brownish black reaction.

I'd really like to see some conclusive evidence of what the hell is in your pills - if you still have these pills around, perhaps *someone* around here could point you in the right direction of having this crap identified.
 
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