Strange Question: Peeing while rolling

[HillsofFoot]

I soooooo look forward to pissing while rolling. It's one of my favorite past times, besides the pre-roll anxiety dump.

 

[Mac98]

The after piss shiver feels AWESOME while rolling!

^ THIS!!!! I LIVE for that shiver. You know how awesome that piss-shiver feels? Well on MDMA it courses throughout your whole body. It's like a vibration of feel-goodness that starts from your very core and explodes outwards. Oy! Can't wait to roll again just for that.

I usually have to force it out a bit when I'm rolling, but peeing *usually* isn't that big of a problem. There was this one time, though, that I was rolling BALLS but I always had dry mouth and so I kept drinking water. My buddy was the same, maybe even worse; We literally had to pee every 5 minutes and it's not just a little that would come out. Obviously we were pissing out mostly water (clear urine) but they were long-ass pisses!! Never done that to me before or since, but that time... I was pissing like a champ!

 

[First Bad Comedown]

Me again...
The pee shivers are amazing, I agree.

Pissing before peaking can be quite impossible.
The release of anti-diuretic hormone prevents the kidneys from filling the bladder, despite the increase in body metabolism. In fact, the massive release of cortisol from MDMA would cause LOTS of urine production, if not for the opposing release of ADH.

One of the consequences of this combination, cortisol + ADH, is the buildup of water in the bloodstream.
This is why drinking electrolytes, not water, is so important while rolling.
The salt actually helps your kidneys to function better.

If ADH levels stay TOO high, SIADH is said to occur - Syndrome of Inappropriate Anti-Diuretic Hormone.
This is the leading cause of hyponatremia, both in MDMA users and other patients - which commonly include head trauma, brain infections, tumors, strokes, and even pneumonia.

Hyponatremia is the most common cause of death from MDMA use, because the buildup of water in the bloodstream can lead to cerebral edema - or pressure against the brain. At high enough levels, this causes cellular death causing long-term brain damage, or massive strokes that kill the patient in minutes.

Alcohol may increase the risk of this reaction, as it both increases water content in the intestines and further stresses the kidneys. Several case reports of lethal hyponatremia in MDMA users involve alcohol, not water.

Water-intoxication on its OWN, without MDMA, can cause hyponatremia.
Teenagers have died after chugging too much water, or even milk.
It is important to note that many MDMA users are only suspected of overloading themselves with water.
This is because of medical speculation, not always witnesses on site.
Tests at the hospital reveal SIADH and hyponatremia, and water-intoxication is the only cause typically seen i
ERs other than the more serious conditions listed above.

Confirmed reports of hyponatremia without water loading exist.
That means MDMA can cause this disorder in some people, and many factors exist that influence the process.
Kidney function and intestinal contents are definite factors, as is body-fat percentage.

It is not my goal to fill threads about the positive aspects of rolling with dry scientific info.
If you are annoyed with hearing about death right now, you don't have to read this entry.
But I think it is important to draw a line between a NORMAL and pleasurable event that most people experience...to a more serious and potentially life-threatening condition.

Again, hyponatremia is the leading cause of death among MDMA users.
Technically, it is the stroke that kills them...but hyponatremia is a common feature of acute reactions - even when other potentially dangerous symptoms occur. Liver toxicity and destruction of the kidneys can also kill, but the blood vessels in the brain tend to burst more often!

The normal effects of rolling exist on the SAME spectrum as the deadly effects.
This is true for other aspects of rolling, but this one is more relevant.

Once cortisol and ADH taper off, which happens after peaking, urination becomes possible.
I believe that failing to wait for this transition is a BIG reason that some people NEVER achieve orgasm during sex. Especially men who cannot achieve erection - they are just not waiting for the peak to occur.
Timing is critical, since the most euphoric effects of the peak wear off as the body rapidly removes excess serotonin. The flood of dopamine and prolactin, which never occur otherwise, is a magical combination that happens only after peaking.

Not becoming distracted by the 'pro-social' and euphoric effects of the transition is important for timing sex properly. The first desire to urinate may be a clue that you have just peaked.
Again, cortisol starts to taper down - but it is still abundant.
This makes the transition a little tricky to spot for some people.
But the feelings of love and closeness that often encourage conversation is HARD to miss - and this is a classic sign of increased prolactin and oxytocin.

Yes, pissing and shitting while rolling is INTENSE...and arguably the most VISCERAL pleasure other than sex.
At no other time in my life have I felt such SHIVERS.
I often liked tickle the underside of my dick while pissing or just after, because the shivers were simply unreal! Body shivers all the way to my head!

Very awesome stuff.

The sensation itself is not caused by the ADH or cortisol...rather these two endocrine responses coincide with other endocrine responses such as oxytocin and prolactin.
Prolactin in particular is of interest, because it is normally released post-orgasm to reduce erection and physical sensation. It is the opposing force to dopamine in the pleasure center of the brain, the Nucleus Acumbens.
MDMA breaks the normal rule, and both occur simultaneously.

The hypothalamus is causing the release of all these endocrine responses, both the pleasurable ones AND the life-threatening ones. It is a very small region of the brain that is given a HUGE task, maintaining homeostasis.
Its reaction to MDMA could be interpreted as a defense mechanism...

The hypothalamus connects to your genitals and your intestines too.
It controls the release of enzymes into the GI, as well as heart-rate, bp, and other automatic functions.

The penis and labia are connected to the anal nerve. That's right - your asshole provides the neural pathway for your genitals to send signals ALL the way up the spinal cord, and connect to the hypothalamus.
If you have never had your asshole licked while peaking - you have never really lived! :D

Yeah, its like that.

The prostate, which provides the fuller and deeper sensation of sex - especially orgasm - is connected to the gastric nerve. This is a branch of nerves that controls the large intestines.
Women have a unique advantage, because their cervix connects directly to the VAGUS nerve.
This is a big deal for them, because the vagus nerve travels STRAIGHT to the brain, without spinal involvement.

So when you are pounding on a woman's cervix, she is indeed feeling a unique sensation that you cannot experience.
In fact, women that are paralyzed have reported to achieve orgasm through direct cervical stimulation!
All because of the vagus nerve.

I hope everyone is learning.

Now for a little more negative energy.
These powerful sensations that are caused by the interaction of the endocrine system, the hypothalamus, the nerves running to the bowels and genitals, and esp. the all important meso-limbic reward pathway that runs from the PFC to the Nucleus Acumbens...

This is a symphony of events...an evolutionary miracle.
And it can be damaged.

MDMA selectively targets higher cortical serotonin nerves, esp. those in the PFC.
Whatever the cause of 'neurotoxicity' it is accepted as FACT in the scientific community that MDMA changes the serotonin axons in the PFC.

Some suspect 'axotomy' or the cutting of axons from the cell body.
Some suspect axons are left in place, but non-functional due to transporter protein damage.
Others more cautiously state that the 'ascending axons' reorganize themselves.
In many users this is a minor 'reorganization'.
In others, it is anything but minor.

MDMA users often reports sexual dysfunction while rolling - i.e. lack of erection, inability to achieve orgasm.
I firmly believe that timing the attempt at sex for just after the peak is very important, as ramping levels of cortisol are not easily dealt with. Excess serotonin in the hypothalamus is specifically known to inhibit sexual function.
When serotonin and cortisol begin to decline, many more users of MDMA would succeed at achieving unbelievable sex if only they had the discipline and awareness to wait for the exact right moment, and avoid distraction.

I have little doubt that being in good shape is important, because the cardiovascular system is worked pretty hard and this affects capillaries all over the body. The use of Viagra, or other ED meds, directly influences blood flow in the genitals...but can have powerful effects on adrenaline as well as blood flow in the brain. Not a wise combination since the brain's vascular system is already being taxed by massive waves of serotonin!

I have read reports that these ED meds fail to improve orgasmic potential in those that suffer.
I would refer back to the timing recommendation.
If you are going to use an ED medication, do NOT take it with the MDMA.
Even Viagra will have effects that last 4 hours, sometimes much longer...so take it well in advance of the roll to avoid unnecessary interactions. Cialis is a wiser choice as it is gentler and longer-lasting.

But I never needed ED meds to help me while rolling.
There was always shrinkage, which never bothered me. It happens to all.
But sensation is so incredible that erection was easily achieved, although it might take a few minutes.
The few times I started too early in the roll...it just took a little longer and wasn't as hard.
But once I got going, there was NO stopping me.
I would fuck easily for an hour straight.
Orgasm was delayed, but never unachievable.
After all, having complete control of orgasm is pretty amazing...and it allows an unusual amount of build-up.
Climax was always an earth-shattering experience for me!
And somehow, I would always want to fuck again an hour later.
And the next day!

I share all of this, because I want people to understand why I said the 'symphony' of events that causes incredible sex, and peeing, can be damaged.

There are quite a few stories of sexual dysfunction AFTER mdma use on BL.
Some men tell others not to cum, because they believe it to be the cause of major consequences for them.
This is probably a misunderstanding, but perhaps the orgasm itself does increase damage in the PFC.

In the first month of my 'comedown' I couldn't feel myself urinate at all!
More than this, I couldn't even feel my dick!!
I can usually sense it hanging off of me...the mass of it being pulled towards the earth.
But not after serotonin syndrome.
My dick had NO mass, no weight anymore.

There was still some sensation during sex, but orgasm was absolutely without sensation for the first 3 months.
That's right, for about 100 days post roll - I felt NOTHING when I came.
It also happens that I couldn't feel urination either....or defecation at some points.

This is also reported by those with SSRI related sexual dysfunction.
And for an unlucky minority, they NEVER achieve orgasm again!
Some of them cannot even get erections at all!
Even women have reported not being able to control when they urinate - or giving birth painlessly.
And it is not just sensation that is lost - the emotional response to stimuli is GONE.
No amount of porn or attractive mates could entice ANY response AT ALL in these people.
They feel 'unhuman', so much so that suicide is a temptation for many.
Some follow through on that temptation.

Damaging the higher level serotonin nerves can have serious repercussions for sensation later on.
While my dysfunction was not quite that pronounced, I understand their suffering.
Sexual response, especially excitement and apprehension, are mediated by the highest of our cognitive pathways.

That means your dick is tethered to your empathy, to your humanity.
And this is how it should be.

At nearly one year of recovery, I am finally starting to experience orgasms so good they hurt.
I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy them all year - in fact the moment just before orgasm became more powerful.
But once the climax occurred, I was usually disappointed. The after-shocks were mild, and my head was VERY clear very quickly.

Now, it appears to finally be improving.
I would say my orgasms are back to 70-80% strength, but still shorter in duration.
More importantly, my response to visual stimuli is returning as well.
You can't know how horrible it feels to go to a strip club with your wife and fail to be excited at all.

Peeing while rolling is awesome.
Sex is too.

And both of these things are so awesome that NO amount of MDMA is worth losing these sensations.
Re-dosing and failing to space rolls properly is the most reliable way to damage higher serotonin nerves.
The 'reorganization' of these nerves is known to remain less dense in higher regions, even after many years of abstinence.

Information is awesome too.

 

[Acadian]

Me again...
The pee shivers are amazing, I agree.

Pissing before peaking can be quite impossible.
The release of anti-diuretic hormone prevents the kidneys from filling the bladder, despite the increase in body metabolism. In fact, the massive release of cortisol from MDMA would cause LOTS of urine production, if not for the opposing release of ADH.

One of the consequences of this combination, cortisol + ADH, is the buildup of water in the bloodstream.
This is why drinking electrolytes, not water, is so important while rolling.
The salt actually helps your kidneys to function better.

If ADH levels stay TOO high, SIADH is said to occur - Syndrome of Inappropriate Anti-Diuretic Hormone.
This is the leading cause of hyponatremia, both in MDMA users and other patients - which commonly include head trauma, brain infections, tumors, strokes, and even pneumonia.

Hyponatremia is the most common cause of death from MDMA use, because the buildup of water in the bloodstream can lead to cerebral edema - or pressure against the brain. At high enough levels, this causes cellular death causing long-term brain damage, or massive strokes that kill the patient in minutes.

Alcohol may increase the risk of this reaction, as it both increases water content in the intestines and further stresses the kidneys. Several case reports of lethal hyponatremia in MDMA users involve alcohol, not water.

Water-intoxication on its OWN, without MDMA, can cause hyponatremia.
Teenagers have died after chugging too much water, or even milk.
It is important to note that many MDMA users are only suspected of overloading themselves with water.
This is because of medical speculation, not always witnesses on site.
Tests at the hospital reveal SIADH and hyponatremia, and water-intoxication is the only cause typically seen i
ERs other than the more serious conditions listed above.

Confirmed reports of hyponatremia without water loading exist.
That means MDMA can cause this disorder in some people, and many factors exist that influence the process.
Kidney function and intestinal contents are definite factors, as is body-fat percentage.

It is not my goal to fill threads about the positive aspects of rolling with dry scientific info.
If you are annoyed with hearing about death right now, you don't have to read this entry.
But I think it is important to draw a line between a NORMAL and pleasurable event that most people experience...to a more serious and potentially life-threatening condition.

Again, hyponatremia is the leading cause of death among MDMA users.
Technically, it is the stroke that kills them...but hyponatremia is a common feature of acute reactions - even when other potentially dangerous symptoms occur. Liver toxicity and destruction of the kidneys can also kill, but the blood vessels in the brain tend to burst more often!

The normal effects of rolling exist on the SAME spectrum as the deadly effects.
This is true for other aspects of rolling, but this one is more relevant.

Once cortisol and ADH taper off, which happens after peaking, urination becomes possible.
I believe that failing to wait for this transition is a BIG reason that some people NEVER achieve orgasm during sex. Especially men who cannot achieve erection - they are just not waiting for the peak to occur.
Timing is critical, since the most euphoric effects of the peak wear off as the body rapidly removes excess serotonin. The flood of dopamine and prolactin, which never occur otherwise, is a magical combination that happens only after peaking.

Not becoming distracted by the 'pro-social' and euphoric effects of the transition is important for timing sex properly. The first desire to urinate may be a clue that you have just peaked.
Again, cortisol starts to taper down - but it is still abundant.
This makes the transition a little tricky to spot for some people.
But the feelings of love and closeness that often encourage conversation is HARD to miss - and this is a classic sign of increased prolactin and oxytocin.

Yes, pissing and shitting while rolling is INTENSE...and arguably the most VISCERAL pleasure other than sex.
At no other time in my life have I felt such SHIVERS.
I often liked tickle the underside of my dick while pissing or just after, because the shivers were simply unreal! Body shivers all the way to my head!

Very awesome stuff.

The sensation itself is not caused by the ADH or cortisol...rather these two endocrine responses coincide with other endocrine responses such as oxytocin and prolactin.
Prolactin in particular is of interest, because it is normally released post-orgasm to reduce erection and physical sensation. It is the opposing force to dopamine in the pleasure center of the brain, the Nucleus Acumbens.
MDMA breaks the normal rule, and both occur simultaneously.

The hypothalamus is causing the release of all these endocrine responses, both the pleasurable ones AND the life-threatening ones. It is a very small region of the brain that is given a HUGE task, maintaining homeostasis.
Its reaction to MDMA could be interpreted as a defense mechanism...

The hypothalamus connects to your genitals and your intestines too.
It controls the release of enzymes into the GI, as well as heart-rate, bp, and other automatic functions.

The penis and labia are connected to the anal nerve. That's right - your asshole provides the neural pathway for your genitals to send signals ALL the way up the spinal cord, and connect to the hypothalamus.
If you have never had your asshole licked while peaking - you have never really lived! :D

Yeah, its like that.

The prostate, which provides the fuller and deeper sensation of sex - especially orgasm - is connected to the gastric nerve. This is a branch of nerves that controls the large intestines.
Women have a unique advantage, because their cervix connects directly to the VAGUS nerve.
This is a big deal for them, because the vagus nerve travels STRAIGHT to the brain, without spinal involvement.

So when you are pounding on a woman's cervix, she is indeed feeling a unique sensation that you cannot experience.
In fact, women that are paralyzed have reported to achieve orgasm through direct cervical stimulation!
All because of the vagus nerve.

I hope everyone is learning.

Now for a little more negative energy.
These powerful sensations that are caused by the interaction of the endocrine system, the hypothalamus, the nerves running to the bowels and genitals, and esp. the all important meso-limbic reward pathway that runs from the PFC to the Nucleus Acumbens...

This is a symphony of events...an evolutionary miracle.
And it can be damaged.

MDMA selectively targets higher cortical serotonin nerves, esp. those in the PFC.
Whatever the cause of 'neurotoxicity' it is accepted as FACT in the scientific community that MDMA changes the serotonin axons in the PFC.

Some suspect 'axotomy' or the cutting of axons from the cell body.
Some suspect axons are left in place, but non-functional due to transporter protein damage.
Others more cautiously state that the 'ascending axons' reorganize themselves.
In many users this is a minor 'reorganization'.
In others, it is anything but minor.

MDMA users often reports sexual dysfunction while rolling - i.e. lack of erection, inability to achieve orgasm.
I firmly believe that timing the attempt at sex for just after the peak is very important, as ramping levels of cortisol are not easily dealt with. Excess serotonin in the hypothalamus is specifically known to inhibit sexual function.
When serotonin and cortisol begin to decline, many more users of MDMA would succeed at achieving unbelievable sex if only they had the discipline and awareness to wait for the exact right moment, and avoid distraction.

I have little doubt that being in good shape is important, because the cardiovascular system is worked pretty hard and this affects capillaries all over the body. The use of Viagra, or other ED meds, directly influences blood flow in the genitals...but can have powerful effects on adrenaline as well as blood flow in the brain. Not a wise combination since the brain's vascular system is already being taxed by massive waves of serotonin!

I have read reports that these ED meds fail to improve orgasmic potential in those that suffer.
I would refer back to the timing recommendation.
If you are going to use an ED medication, do NOT take it with the MDMA.
Even Viagra will have effects that last 4 hours, sometimes much longer...so take it well in advance of the roll to avoid unnecessary interactions. Cialis is a wiser choice as it is gentler and longer-lasting.

But I never needed ED meds to help me while rolling.
There was always shrinkage, which never bothered me. It happens to all.
But sensation is so incredible that erection was easily achieved, although it might take a few minutes.
The few times I started too early in the roll...it just took a little longer and wasn't as hard.
But once I got going, there was NO stopping me.
I would fuck easily for an hour straight.
Orgasm was delayed, but never unachievable.
After all, having complete control of orgasm is pretty amazing...and it allows an unusual amount of build-up.
Climax was always an earth-shattering experience for me!
And somehow, I would always want to fuck again an hour later.
And the next day!

I share all of this, because I want people to understand why I said the 'symphony' of events that causes incredible sex, and peeing, can be damaged.

There are quite a few stories of sexual dysfunction AFTER mdma use on BL.
Some men tell others not to cum, because they believe it to be the cause of major consequences for them.
This is probably a misunderstanding, but perhaps the orgasm itself does increase damage in the PFC.

In the first month of my 'comedown' I couldn't feel myself urinate at all!
More than this, I couldn't even feel my dick!!
I can usually sense it hanging off of me...the mass of it being pulled towards the earth.
But not after serotonin syndrome.
My dick had NO mass, no weight anymore.

There was still some sensation during sex, but orgasm was absolutely without sensation for the first 3 months.
That's right, for about 100 days post roll - I felt NOTHING when I came.
It also happens that I couldn't feel urination either....or defecation at some points.

This is also reported by those with SSRI related sexual dysfunction.
And for an unlucky minority, they NEVER achieve orgasm again!
Some of them cannot even get erections at all!
Even women have reported not being able to control when they urinate - or giving birth painlessly.
And it is not just sensation that is lost - the emotional response to stimuli is GONE.
No amount of porn or attractive mates could entice ANY response AT ALL in these people.
They feel 'unhuman', so much so that suicide is a temptation for many.
Some follow through on that temptation.

Damaging the higher level serotonin nerves can have serious repercussions for sensation later on.
While my dysfunction was not quite that pronounced, I understand their suffering.
Sexual response, especially excitement and apprehension, are mediated by the highest of our cognitive pathways.

That means your dick is tethered to your empathy, to your humanity.
And this is how it should be.

At nearly one year of recovery, I am finally starting to experience orgasms so good they hurt.
I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy them all year - in fact the moment just before orgasm became more powerful.
But once the climax occurred, I was usually disappointed. The after-shocks were mild, and my head was VERY clear very quickly.

Now, it appears to finally be improving.
I would say my orgasms are back to 70-80% strength, but still shorter in duration.
More importantly, my response to visual stimuli is returning as well.
You can't know how horrible it feels to go to a strip club with your wife and fail to be excited at all.

Peeing while rolling is awesome.
Sex is too.

And both of these things are so awesome that NO amount of MDMA is worth losing these sensations.
Re-dosing and failing to space rolls properly is the most reliable way to damage higher serotonin nerves.
The 'reorganization' of these nerves is known to remain less dense in higher regions, even after many years of abstinence.

Information is awesome too.

Wow awesome info. So if you had one thing that we should take away from this, would it be to consume drinks that provide electrolytes like Gatorade, powerade etc?

 

[augustaB]

Mostly can't pee much much on mdma. I get the feeling sometimes and concentrate for hours but then only get a dribble.
On the other hand I do perspire a lot so it's my feeling that much of what I would otherwise pee gets perspired.