Opioids Stopping poppy pods

[AngelOfDeath415]

I wonder if anyone managed to quick poppy pods and how did it go. I haven't been using for that long only a couple months but the withdrawal is completely brutal even with comfort meds like benzos,pregabaline and light opiates. Can I potentially die from the withdrawal because sometimes it feels like it? I'm thinking about getting on a methadone (my favorite opioid, never tried heroin either but a friend that was treated with it was hooking me up)or at very least subutex (I have no idea what it does) but I have no idea how or if it's done at a hospital or clinic, not to mention I would be ashamed asf admitting Im addicted to morphine and would prolly have to say heroin directly cause it's more believable although I've never done that (a blood draw would prolly find dozen of opioids in me due to all poppy pod alkaloids) soo I'm most likely positive for heroin anyways. What way out is there for me cause I feel like I'm digging myself into a hole, Ive tried many different drugs and not a single one of them was this addictive or problematic. I love poppy pod effects it feels soo heavenly but tolerance goes up quick and I don't wanna end up too far with this (I already am but some have done worse than me). The withdrawal is fucking brutal and I wonder if It can't give like heart attack not to mention you already feel like blowing your brains out. Thanks for reading this far I hope I can get some info on how I could potentially get treated for this illness (it ABSOLUTELY is one) and maybe some stories on those who stopped either with substitutes or cold turkey.

 

[AngelOfDeath415]

I wanted to add that at some point I was buying 60-80mg methadone pills of a friend. I did that for around 1 month and even the withdrawal from that was easy in comparison with poppy pods.
Rn did 3 washes for 1 tea with already used poppy straw. Got me way higher than expected and will prolly nod a bit later. Also smoking on some good kush

 

[Halif2]

There are loads of detox guides on here and elsewhere on the net, so there is no shortage of info on that. I just wanted to make one comment:

I haven't been using for that long only a couple months but the withdrawal is completely brutal

It gets so much worse. The longer you use and the more times you go through the withdrawal process, the worse it gets. I don't mean to say this to discourage you, but just to tell you that NOW is the time to get off. Do a taper, and do it right. See it through to the end. You're still at a place where it's doable.

Only you know what is best for you, but I'd suggest not going onto methadone or subs if you can possibly avoid it. Those things are also long lasting and thus very difficult to get off.

All the best with it.

 

[negrogesic]

How much are you using per day in grams?

As mentioned above, you are fortunate that it's only been a couple of months. Methadone and suboxone are long-term solutions that will likely result in you being hooked on opioids for years.

One possible approach might be to go to a methadone clinic and ask for a methadone detox (versus maintenance/opioid replacement therapy). Same can be done with suboxone, but it is trickier since you'll either need to be in severe withdrawal, or slowly induct (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6970598/ ).

Or just use kratom and various comfort meds/alternate opioids to detox yourself.

Poppy pod addictions are tough because of all the various compounds present in the plant. This makes the withdrawal multifaceted and complex. I've actually used pods daily for over 6 months and then switched to high dose tramadol, and didn't have to much of a problem, but i have alot of experience with opioid withdrawal, including getting off of 380mg/day of methadone maintenance. So for me it's didn't seem like the end of the world, whereas others might have perceived it differently.

 

[Smyth2]

I used to buy the giant pods about 10 years ago. I was using 3 at a time.

For me the withdrawal was never physical I only got anhedonia that lasted a few days.

IME, natural opiate poppy pod addiction was ALOT easier to handle than the brutal withdrawals I got from daily use of fentanyl escalating the dose.

I doubt that you will need to switch to methadone of a daily pod habit because it's not that difficult to handle that you need heavy duty narcotics to cope.

As negro said, you might want to consider switching to tramadol but even that can cause withdrawal.

The kratom I have here sucks ass badly. I would not recommend kratom because it is not really worth anything of any value.

I recommend though that you at least attempt to quit cold turkey. I've never tried methadone but I think that's too heavy handed to treat addiction to a natural herbal medicine. Maybe if you were doing pure opium but pods is milder to handle (depending on how much you took but I never went over 3 giant pods per day).

Maybe you could consider buprenorphine also. That's only a mixed agonist/antagonist.

 

[Cult315]

There are loads of detox guides on here and elsewhere on the net, so there is no shortage of info on that. I just wanted to make one comment:



It gets so much worse. The longer you use and the more times you go through the withdrawal process, the worse it gets. I don't mean to say this to discourage you, but just to tell you that NOW is the time to get off. Do a taper, and do it right. See it through to the end. You're still at a place where it's doable.

Only you know what is best for you, but I'd suggest not going onto methadone or subs if you can possibly avoid it. Those things are also long lasting and thus very difficult to get off.

All the best with it.

+1. Getting on subs was a huge mistake, and I’m currently off them again after stupidly starting back up a couple weeks after years of trying to kick and finally succeeding. Think I’m almost through lol, only was on for a few weeks this time. But I decided to use kratom to ease off of them, which seemed to work as I had light to no withdrawals while on the Kratom for the first 4 days, and on day 5 I woke up feeling like I was in full blown WD.

In all honesty sub WDs aren’t as severe feeling, to me at least, as short acting opioids. But the hell is the length, they seemingly go on forever. I always find the hardest part coming off them is the RLS/tremors/shaking in my sleep that always wakes me up pretty much as soon as I manage to drift off, then prevents me from going back to sleep. And it lasts for weeks, after just a few days it’s so hard to function because I’m completely exhausted and I failed getting off many, many times because of it. Honestly the only thing that helped me finally kick them was doing meth, because on meth staying up for days and days on end is kind of the norm and makes it so I can still function at least decently well with little to no sleep. I do not advise changing your poppy pod habit for meth, though. Kind of a terrible idea lol

 

[AngelOfDeath415]

How much are you using per day in grams?

As mentioned above, you are fortunate that it's only been a couple of months. Methadone and suboxone are long-term solutions that will likely result in you being hooked on opioids for years.

One possible approach might be to go to a methadone clinic and ask for a methadone detox (versus maintenance/opioid replacement therapy). Same can be done with suboxone, but it is trickier since you'll either need to be in severe withdrawal, or slowly induct (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6970598/ ).

Or just use kratom and various comfort meds/alternate opioids to detox yourself.

Poppy pod addictions are tough because of all the various compounds present in the plant. This makes the withdrawal multifaceted and complex. I've actually used pods daily for over 6 months and then switched to high dose tramadol, and didn't have to much of a problem, but i have alot of experience with opioid withdrawal, including getting off of 380mg/day of methadone maintenance. So for me it's didn't seem like the end of the world, whereas others might have perceived it differently.

Thanks a lot for your reply. How would you compare the poppy pod withdrawal to something like heroin or methadone. I found pharma stuff in general to be less potent than a nice cup of poppy pods except methadone of course. 1 day after my initial posts I ran out of poppy straw and had to rely on tramadol,lyrica,codeine and benzos, not all at once but sometimes mixing them. Today it was 300mg tramadol stacked during day along with 120mg codeine in evening and now 3mg lorazepam, maybe xanax later. First days was hell but feel like I'm getting better. I think the reason my withdrawals are soo bad is because my poppies are very potent, the tasmanian (I believe) baseball size ones and even 1 single pod is enough to get a non tolerant person nod, maybe enough to fights wds for someone else. I was using up to 80-90 grams total split in 2 doses morning and evening. I could get on other opioids but I really love the poppy pods , no other drug or opiate makes me feel like opium does. I believe this is because it contains multiple opiate alkaloids and they all act in synergy , long duration I believe due to oily mixture making it extended release. I don't really intend to stop it, I ran out and was desperate thus taking all kinds of diff meds. Thanks for your help and experience.

 

[AngelOfDeath415]

How much are you using per day in grams?

As mentioned above, you are fortunate that it's only been a couple of months. Methadone and suboxone are long-term solutions that will likely result in you being hooked on opioids for years.

One possible approach might be to go to a methadone clinic and ask for a methadone detox (versus maintenance/opioid replacement therapy). Same can be done with suboxone, but it is trickier since you'll either need to be in severe withdrawal, or slowly induct (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6970598/ ).

Or just use kratom and various comfort meds/alternate opioids to detox yourself.

Poppy pod addictions are tough because of all the various compounds present in the plant. This makes the withdrawal multifaceted and complex. I've actually used pods daily for over 6 months and then switched to high dose tramadol, and didn't have to much of a problem, but i have alot of experience with opioid withdrawal, including getting off of 380mg/day of methadone maintenance. So for me it's didn't seem like the end of the world, whereas others might have perceived it differently.

Id like to add that I have been using light opiates and sometimes stronger ones like oxy even before I started poppy pods. If I add up all the diff opiates I explored and binged would be maybe 2-3 years of using opiates. Soo I have experience with withdrawal including the tramadol one which is known to be bad, had a bit of methadone aswell but not enough as I would like to and the poppy pod withdrawal is the worst Ive had out of all those, feels like I'm ill with flu or poisoned or something.

 

[AngelOfDeath415]

I used to buy the giant pods about 10 years ago. I was using 3 at a time.

For me the withdrawal was never physical I only got anhedonia that lasted a few days.

IME, natural opiate poppy pod addiction was ALOT easier to handle than the brutal withdrawals I got from daily use of fentanyl escalating the dose.

I doubt that you will need to switch to methadone of a daily pod habit because it's not that difficult to handle that you need heavy duty narcotics to cope.

As negro said, you might want to consider switching to tramadol but even that can cause withdrawal.

The kratom I have here sucks ass badly. I would not recommend kratom because it is not really worth anything of any value.

I recommend though that you at least attempt to quit cold turkey. I've never tried methadone but I think that's too heavy handed to treat addiction to a natural herbal medicine. Maybe if you were doing pure opium but pods is milder to handle (depending on how much you took but I never went over 3 giant pods per day).

Maybe you could consider buprenorphine also. That's only a mixed agonist/antagonist.

I think you are seriously downplaying this poppy pod thing calling it a simple herbal medicine. I estimate each of my dose to have around 200-400mg morphine although could be more cause sometimes I'm really out of it. I switched to tramadol/codeine without too many problems and taking some pregabs here and there although I wish I was on methadone soo atleast I could have a reliable way of getting my medicine and not worry all the time where im gonn get it, how expensive is gonna be etc
Also you we're using 3 pods which if the big ones should be around 15-20g . Not a lot overall, I should've probably stayed there but I loved chasing the high and I use even dozens of baseball pods for a single tea. I have no experience with fentanyl and maybe that one is very severe BUT it doesn't last as long as poppy pod withdrawals

 

[AngelOfDeath415]

How much are you using per day in grams?

As mentioned above, you are fortunate that it's only been a couple of months. Methadone and suboxone are long-term solutions that will likely result in you being hooked on opioids for years.

One possible approach might be to go to a methadone clinic and ask for a methadone detox (versus maintenance/opioid replacement therapy). Same can be done with suboxone, but it is trickier since you'll either need to be in severe withdrawal, or slowly induct (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6970598/ ).

Or just use kratom and various comfort meds/alternate opioids to detox yourself.

Poppy pod addictions are tough because of all the various compounds present in the plant. This makes the withdrawal multifaceted and complex. I've actually used pods daily for over 6 months and then switched to high dose tramadol, and didn't have to much of a problem, but i have alot of experience with opioid withdrawal, including getting off of 380mg/day of methadone maintenance. So for me it's didn't seem like the end of the world, whereas others might have perceived it differently.

Also any tips for the poppy pod wd or opiate wd in general since you've been through soo many? I'm tramadol, codeine and benzos with pregabs on some days. And even with those I don't fully feel like myself, only a cup of tea would make me feel human again

 

[smackatackpunpunpun]

I have extensive experience. I typically use 10-15 medium size, ground and consumed. Sometimes 20-30 if I redose. I don’t bother with tea anymore because it didn’t last as long. Withdrawal lasts a month for me, but so does fent so I dunno what’s up with my chemistry. Your mileage may vary.
The things that I find helpful when I quit usually for 1-3 months, like I currently am, are combinations of substances.
Phenibut is awesome and I don’t tend to get real withdrawals from it, like some people. Just lessened sleep quality but that is fairly normal.
ONLY DOSE phen once a day or every other day if you can because it’s a dangerous substance.
If I had to pick 1 helper med, phenibut would be it.

It takes care of sleep and energy, had almost the same half-life. I usually pair it with kratom, 5 g doses spread through the day, up to 30gs a day the first week, 20 the second week, 10 the third and 5 the last week. I’ll throw Tianeptine in sometimes but typically don’t dose more than once a day, as Tia withdrawals while unpleasant only last for a day or two. Microdosing mescaline is pretty fantastic for me so far, keeps me from missing the energy of straight opiates. You really have to play with it to get the dosage correct, but if you overshoot it’s pretty fun. Mesc is a forgiving psych. Nicotine patches work also for that purpose of getting energy and going in the morning. Loperamide for the shits.

DO NOT get Suboxone!! It’s trash and shouldn’t be used except for fent. Not even for heroin should it be used IMO!!!

Also if you Cold turkeyed and were able to travel across the globe to a different country, it actually ends up being ok because your mind is busy. I wouldn’t recommend it but that was the easiest mental withdrawal, not physical mind you, but mental relief from cravings I’ve ever had.

Hope this helps.

Forgot to add, CBN if you are still having issues sleeping or with joint pain. It is awesome! But you need 50mg, I’ll usually take 100mg at night and I will get a very mild stoning effect from it. Very very mild to me, but just thought I’d warn you in case you try it. Some people can function stoned and some can't or have panic attacks and i think it’s very important to learn how you react to each substance you consume.

 

[AngelOfDeath415]

I have extensive experience. I typically use 10-15 medium size, ground and consumed. Sometimes 20-30 if I redose. I don’t bother with tea anymore because it didn’t last as long. It lasts a month for me, but so does fent so I dunno what’s up with my chemistry. Your mileage may vary.
The things that I find helpful when I quit usually for 1-3 months, like I currently am, are combinations of substances.
Phenibut is awesome and I don’t tend to get real withdrawals from it, like some people. Just lessened sleep quality but that is fairly normal.
ONLY DOSE phen once a day or every other day if you can because it’s a dangerous substance.
If I had to pick 1 helper med, phenibut would be it.

It takes care of sleep and energy, had almost the same half-life. I usually pair it with kratom, 5 g doses spread through the day, up to 30gs a day the first week, 20 the second week, 10 the third and 5 the last week. I’ll throw Tianeptine in sometimes but typically don’t dose more than once a day, as Tia withdrawals while unpleasant only last for a day or two. Microdosing mescaline is pretty fantastic for me so far, keeps me from missing the energy of straight opiates. You really have to play with it to get the dosage correct, but if you overshoot it’s pretty fun. Mesc is a forgiving psych. Nicotine patches work also for that purpose of getting energy and going in the morning. Loperamide for the shits.

DO NOT get Suboxone!! It’s trash and shouldn’t be used except for fent. Not even for heroin should it be used IMO!!!

Hope this helps.

Thank you for your input. I used pregabalin instead of phenibut and it's awesome, works even better than tramadol in my opinion to alleviate wd. I also use codeine for the shits and a bit of warmth (very weak shitty opiate and I believe I'm not the best metaboliser but can still feel it a bit) benzos like lorazepam and xanax for sleep or anxiety. But with all these different kind of pills and cocktails I do one must wonder.. won't be easier to take JUST 1 methadone dose and be good till next day. Personally I wouldn't even redose methadone next day but day after that, that's how long it can last lol and I loved methadone (was buying it off a friend). Anyways take care and will be back with how all this turns out

 

[smackatackpunpunpun]

So to sum all my dosing regimen to keep wd away.
Jan 4 : 2 days after initial post ran out of poppies.

Thank you for your input. I used pregabalin instead of phenibut and it's awesome, works even better than tramadol in my opinion to alleviate wd. I also use codeine for the shits and a bit of warmth (very weak shitty opiate and I believe I'm not the best metaboliser but can still feel it a bit) benzos like lorazepam and xanax for sleep or anxiety. But with all these different kind of pills and cocktails I do one must wonder.. won't be easier to take JUST 1 methadone dose and be good till next day. Personally I wouldn't even redose methadone next day but day after that, that's how long it can last lol and I loved methadone (was buying it off a friend). Anyways take care and will be back with how all this turns out

You will still be missing “something” in the feeling for the first couple weeks IMO I’ve heard horror stories of methadone and I think poppy withdrawal is lighter. Fent was the worst physical withdrawal I’ve had and for some people methadone is far worse. Everyone is different. ambien was the worst withdrawal to me.
Be careful with the benzos.

 

[negrogesic]

I was using up to 80-90 grams total split in 2 doses morning and evening. I could get on other opioids but I really love the poppy pods , no other drug or opiate makes me feel like opium does. I believe this is because it contains multiple opiate alkaloids and they all act in synergy , long duration I believe due to oily mixture making it extended release. I don't really intend to stop it, I ran out and was desperate thus taking all kinds of diff meds. Thanks for your help and experience.

If the pods are decent to good quality, 90 grams is a serious dose. No wonder why you are getting so sick.

Good quality pods have morphine contents ranging from 0.5% to 1.0% of dry weight, which corresponds to about 450–900 mg of morphine in 90 grams of dried capsules. I've grown them indoors and given them supplements and high doses of nitrogen (dried pigs blood), and morphine contents goes way up, easily over 2%. Pod tea made with only 15 grams (dried pod) felt like 40 grams of the highest quality pods I have ever bought online (and I've gone through well over 100 pounds of online bought pods). But the chance that you're buying indoor grown pods is basically zero, since growing indoors is not commercially viable.

Anyway, a 80-90g/day habit is serious. Unless you are able to taper down, methadone is the only option. Serious opium dependency is easily up there with methadone in terms of severity of withdrawal, and is in some regards worse. Opioid withdrawal usually doesn't kill people but cold turkey from high doses of methadone and opium have been in rare cases fatal. This is because they can produce very long periods of acute withdrawal. If you throw someone in a jail cell for a month with food and water who has an IV tar heroin habit, after a week theyll start eating the food and drinking the water. Throw someone in there with a 300mg/day methadone or a 10g/day of oral opium habit, and some might not be able alive after that month (though the percentage would be low, most healthy people would survive).

 

[jasperkent]

Kratom affects everyone differently, but in my case it was a lifesaver. I abruptly quit a pretty heavy oxycodone habit using only red vein kratom. No withdrawals whatsoever-- I didn't miss a day of work. I used Red Bali, but Red Maeng Da is even better.

As with anything, YMMV.

 

[jasperkent]

Kratom....

And yes, kratom is addictive. But I've had to go without a couple times and the WDs were a walk in the park compared to real opioids.

 

[AngelOfDeath415]

Kratom affects everyone differently, but in my case it was a lifesaver. I abruptly quit a pretty heavy oxycodone habit using only red vein kratom. No withdrawals whatsoever-- I didn't miss a day of work. I used Red Bali, but Red Maeng Da is even better.

As with anything, YMMV.

Yes I have a big stock of Kratom of different strains. I have red white green. My favorite maeng Da when I used to use it, and even got me nodding with weed when I was opiate naive. But now kratom is useless for me, feels like drinking coffee not to mention the effect is soo short lived you end up redosing every 30 min. Soo instead I used tramadol which lasts longer and more potent (although similar to kratom since kratom is often called Tramadol Lite). I'll probably end up giving my kratom to friends who are opiate naive

 

[AngelOfDeath415]

If this hell goes on and my package doesn't come soon I'll do a couple lines of good coke that I have to get me out of bed and hit the streets looking for some heroin or ANY opioid, I would've done that already but I can barely get out of bed or my house because I have chills all over my body and pain, I missed several meetings because of it already . I never used heroin but I'm really desperate at this point (I got a plug for every drug possible except H) . Is this a bad idea or am I just desperate at this point ? I feel like even heroin would be less harmfull than all shit I'm taking altogether

 

[AngelOfDeath415]

If the pods are decent to good quality, 90 grams is a serious dose. No wonder why you are getting so sick.

Good quality pods have morphine contents ranging from 0.5% to 1.0% of dry weight, which corresponds to about 450–900 mg of morphine in 90 grams of dried capsules. I've grown them indoors and given them supplements and high doses of nitrogen (dried pigs blood), and morphine contents goes way up, easily over 2%. Pod tea made with only 15 grams (dried pod) felt like 40 grams of the highest quality pods I have ever bought online (and I've gone through well over 100 pounds of online bought pods). But the chance that you're buying indoor grown pods is basically zero, since growing indoors is not commercially viable.

Anyway, a 80-90g/day habit is serious. Unless you are able to taper down, methadone is the only option. Serious opium dependency is easily up there with methadone in terms of severity of withdrawal, and is in some regards worse. Opioid withdrawal usually doesn't kill people but cold turkey from high doses of methadone and opium have been in rare cases fatal. This is because they can produce very long periods of acute withdrawal. If you throw someone in a jail cell for a month with food and water who has an IV tar heroin habit, after a week theyll start eating the food and drinking the water. Throw someone in there with a 300mg/day methadone or a 10g/day of oral opium habit, and some might not be able alive after that month (though the percentage would be low, most healthy people would survive).

Yes my pods are usually very strong and I'VE never been dissapointed. Some batches are stronger some weaker but they alll have been potent and got me nodding nicely. I really wish I was on methadone... It would make my life soo much easier and stop this polysubstance abuse that I'm doing. But most clinics are far from me, and I don't want to drive there daily if I don't get takeaway for home right away. I've been doing tramadol/codeine/pregabalin/benzos and even those don't get me high, I'm just trying to maintain or atleast feel normal. I thank you a lot for understanding the severity of what I'm going through since you've also been through it. Some be like "stop being a pu$$y there's worse withdrawals" but I would honestly trade my withdrawal for a heroin/fent one (they might be severe in nature but they last only a couple days compared to this poppy pod hell that goes on for weeks/a month. Overall I'm doing better after a couple days and medication but I had a severe Mad episode couple days ago where I broke everything in my room. I wouldn't wish it on my worst ennemy. Thanks for your help and also do you think I should keep using poppy pods once I get my package or really try to get on methadone? I know methadone is also a slippery slope but I feel like I'm at a worse level because of my polysubstance abuse. Cheers.

 

[JackARoe]

I had to kick a few poppy tea habits in the 90's. The last one I was using 10 large gigs in the morning and 10 at night. I could not stop on my own. So I used my medical insurance from my job and went into a 5 day detox. I told them it was street heroin as I was not going to explain poppy pods nor did I want anyone knowing what that was. My family owned a very large and busy florist. I got pods mailed to me from all over. A few places needed a florist license (whatever that was haha) and they would mail `10 boxes of 100. In addition to the florist industry anyone remember Izmir Oil and Spice company? I befriended the farm owner and he would send me stuff whenever I wanted. (for dried floral arrangements of course) I remember one time I got 500 very beautiful and hearty Hen and Chicks, with many chicks on each and wow was that a pleasant crop. If there ever was a feeling called bliss it was those pods. I only saw Hen and Chicks a few times. Giganthemums were the standard as well as regular size. Pods can get very strong. One time I had several hundred dime sized pods and 4 of those was almost an overdose. Glad I had a tolerance.

So this last time I was in way deep, went into a detox. Was in with several other heroin addicts ( the year was 2000 I assume the heroin was heroin) By day 5 some of the people kicking heroin were feeling better and on day 5 I felt as bad as i went in. But faked feeling better to get home. Got home, toughed it out with just weed. Like 10 days of acute and 3 weeks of lingering. However I will say by one month I was just about completely back to normal. That astounded me. I never got PAWS (that was not even a thing in the year 2000 thankfully) and felt great at one month. Like the body knows how to heal from this plant 100%. The acute was rough. In the detox my BP went up to 170/100 and I got double the clonidine that night. (I never felt clonidine did much but it was used back in those years too) That was also the only two times I ever took trazadone. Then never again as I hated it.

Poppy tea is a worse withdrawal than heroin. It hurts deep down but goes away cleanly. After my last kick I would use just on saturdays. So I would have some on Sat morning and night. Have it linger into Sunday. Then Monday and Tues I would have this raw feeling. Up and down. Up and down. Then I stopped and eventually found kratom. That is why I say kratom balanced me. Using opiates once a week sucks. Christmas 2011 was my last tea.

As an aside the dried poppy is a hearty addition to dried flower arrangements. I use to smirk at the ones we gave to the fire and police dept. You would walk into the police station and see the arrangements on shelves.

With all these synthetic opioids coming out we need people to learn the art of growing poppies and go from there. It is a lot of work. I mean a pound of fentanyl saves a field of poppies and tons of work to convert it to heroin. I am afraid from a business perspective synthetics will take over world wide. So at some point people will have to bring back the lost art and use nature again.