Stopped car leads to $8m heroin haul

[thestudent14]

Stopped car leads to $8m heroin haul

HEROIN with an estimated street value of $8 million has been seized in southeast Sydney.

Police followed a car from Brighton-Le-Sands at about 4pm (AEST) yesterday and stopped it on Botany Road at Mascot a short time later.

After a search of the vehicle, police say they discovered 80 blocks of what is believed to be heroin with a total weight of 28kg.

A 23-year-old Chippendale man and a 28-year-old Haymarket man in the car were arrested.

Police then searched two units in Pitt Street in the city and premises in Brighton-Le-Sands and Chippendale.

They allegedly discovered several hundred thousand dollars in cash, laptops, scales, money counters, mobile phones and drug packaging.

The two men have been charged with drug offences and will appear before Parramatta Bail Court on Sunday.

http://www.news.com.au/national/stop...-1225899577713

This was posted in the mega bust thread but I had some questions and I know you can't post in the mega bust thread.

This ultiamtely doesn't me at all because
A: I live in Melbourne and
B: I've never tried or intend to try heroin.

But it got me thinking, this would be quite a significant heroin bust wouldn't it? I'm a complete noob when it comes to heroin so I don't know how big a big bust is, but 8million smashes most big busts weather it be cocaine/ecstasy or Meth. But what got me thinking was is this likely to deminish the heroin even if only for a little while in Sydney.

But more importnatly what affect is this gonna have on the addicts. Heroin being the powerful substance that it is has a very strong physical addiction that cutting out completely at once can put them in hospital or even kill them, can it not? Is this likely to impact on people and are we likely to see a short spike of junkie's dropping because they can't get a fix?

Perhaps someone can shed some light on quitting heroin and what's expected (MrIbis)

 

[Sustanon]

If one H dealer drops out then another 10 will take his place Even tho its a big bust its a small fraction of what comes into the country. Heroin is usually imported in big quantities and who knows if that $8 million was just a small fraction of that particular shipment.

 

[dextrous]

At the very worst the junkies will have to travel another 10 minutes to get their fix from a different dealer

 

[Crankinit]

Yeah I can't speak specifically for the H scene in sydney, but I doubt it's just one crew supplying the entire market, and I doubt that whoever owns those 28kg is going to be out of business. Most likely some low-mid level guys are in jail, their employers take an income hit for a few weeks, their customers have to find some new dealers for those few weeks and their competitors see a boost in sales.

What I find interesting is that that seems to have been a fairly conservative estimate of the street value of that H, going off what I know about the street price of H (which could be inaccurate). Generally those figures are inflated, often to double or triple the actual price, but by my math they're maybe 3 or 4 million under if it was sold by the gram, even more if it was sold in individual doses (which seems likely with H).

 

[smiggle]

28Kg is a mid level dealer, toward the lower end, especially considering there was two people involved.... Still an alright amount of heroin that they got busted with but they would of purchased it at least 2 or 3 steps down the ladder from the importers of it.

Law Enforcement will be trying with all there might to put some pieces together to get to the top of the ladder and bust the kingpins/masterminds behind the syndicate and find out the country of origin... Watch out in the future for larger Heroin busts and that will tell you whether or not these guys squealed to the Authorities because I'm sure the 23yr old will be dieing to cut a deal to get out of about 20 years behind bars .

This might effect the supply of H to parts of Sydney for about a week or two but nothing more then that I personally think.

Think about how much Heroin would come into Australia each week... 100's maybe 1000's of kilogrammes per week, there is pretty much an endless supply on its way to our shores and always will be until they take out the manufactures which is near impossible considering the mass number of criminal groups that specialise in heroin!

Other dealers that have been the under dogs in the trade have probably been waiting for something like this to happen so that they can step up and take they're spots and believe me there will be a fair few clawing away trying to get their so it could, in end, possibly increase the supply of heroin with interstate sources filling the gap... I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of there competitors that gave the Authorities a tip off on the whole thing just so they could profit from it.

In regards to this effecting the addicts not being able to get their next hits and making them extremely sick etc etc: There are plenty of other drugs out their very similar to Heroin, remember Heroin is an opiate type drug which consists of Opium, Morphine, Codeine, Oxycodone and Fentanyl, (to list a couple), all of which will help a little with the withdrawals and all of which can be just as dangerous as heroin itself... Finally not forgetting to mention Methadone which gives a similar high to Heroin but lasting all day so hence the addict does not need to re-dose till they wake up the next day.

Of course if the addict is too far gone and beyond saving from the withdrawals, (which would be extremely rare and expensive not to mention), a simple call to 000 Ambulance and a trip to the hospital would be sufficient enough for our capable health care professionals to find a way to stop these nasty withdrawals from happening.

 

[thestudent14]

Interesting, I didn't think heroin was that big in Sydney these days. I mean obviously there is always gonna be a decent market for it. But enough for 8 million worth to be conisderred a small part of a big shipment. Not too far fetched, I guess I'm just suprised that, that much would have a very little impact like.

You hear about huge cocaine busts worth 80million dollars that are considerred to put "significant" dents in the market. And I would of thought that cocaine would be 100 times more popular then heroin so to me this bust seems huge.

But as I said I'm a noob when it comes to heroin so this is all just personal speculation.

 

[thestudent14]

And thanks smiggle, very informative post.

 

[zagzig]

Interesting info smiggle, however, I'm not sure I agree with the idea of calling "000" for H withdrawal, since it is not life-threatening in itself. Surely, a Lifeline type service would be more appropriate if they were contemplating harming themselves, but I'm not sure the ambos would be so happy to be diverted from their day-to-day duties assisting people in life-threatening situations (e.g. severe accident)

 

[smiggle]

Interesting info smiggle, however, I'm not sure I agree with the idea of calling "000" for H withdrawal, since it is not life-threatening in itself. Surely, a Lifeline type service would be more appropriate if they were contemplating harming themselves, but I'm not sure the ambos would be so happy to be diverted from their day-to-day duties assisting people in life-threatening situations (e.g. severe accident)

Hmmm yeah I'd still call 000, but explain to them the circumstances and that it's not life threatening and they will come in due time.... Or if you could find the plain number for the ambulance call that but somehow I think they would give up by the 10th try lol.

There is no way possible that a Heroin addict going through extreme withdrawals would be able to operate a motor vehicle of any kind either and a lot of Heroin uses like to be by themselves I've noticed especially if they know they are going to be going through withdrawals as that can be one of the worst things to ever experience and they don't want people seeing them at they're weakest.

 

[Downloader08]

Well, I guess if the person is so heavily addicted that they will die without some sort of opioid, then 000 is certainly an option. Then again, I know nothing practical about H, but extreme withdrawals must be hell.

 

[smiggle]

Interesting, I didn't think heroin was that big in Sydney these days. I mean obviously there is always gonna be a decent market for it. But enough for 8 million worth to be considered a small part of a big shipment. Not too far fetched, I guess I'm just surprised that, that much would have a very little impact like.

You hear about huge cocaine busts worth 80million dollars that are considered to put "significant" dents in the market. And I would of thought that cocaine would be 100 times more popular then heroin so to me this bust seems huge.

There will always be a market for Heroin no matter where in the world you go. It just wipes away all your worries and you don't have a care in the world, not to mention how relaxed and nice it makes you feel! With todays society I'm surprised it's not more popular among people so they can just get away and escape the hassle and stress.... It's more the older generation that enjoys to use it (30+ years) because that was the drug of they're generation before MDMA, Cocaine and Meth became more popular and the drug of choice.

As for the cocaine busts worth $80 - $100 million that put a so called "significant" dent in the market is just the media throwing it out of perspective so that they think our tax dollars are actually going to good use but in reality it's probably only worth $30 - $40 million, (if that), and even if it was worth 4 times that amount their is still plenty of it getting past our borders because it is so cheap and easy for the Cartel to manufacture that they don't mind if they loose a few tonnes here or their.... Sure they would be a little bit pissed but when they found out they had lost it they would already be packing up the next shipment!

Now try to piece together how much cocaine Australia alone might consume in a weekend or even a week, there are a lot of very upper class society that consume cocaine remember; lawyers, doctors, CEOs, actors/models, successful business owners just to name a few... Also if you've got a coke dealer/s try to think about how much he/she might move over the weekend period and think about how many other coke dealers there would be... . It is quite a large amount of cocaine when you really put your mind to it and tally up some estimated/averaged number....

You can't discuss prices on this forum but do a little research and look into how cheap it is to actually purchase kilogrammes of either; cocaine - from Colombia, or heroin - from the Golden Triangle or Middle East, direct from the manufactures... It might take a little bit to find but usually Government websites have those statistics or other forums where you can discuss prices.

 

[silentangst]

Wow, what are the odds haha.

 

[smiggle]

Well, I guess if the person is so heavily addicted that they will die without some sort of opioid, then 000 is certainly an option. Then again, I know nothing practical about H, but extreme withdrawals must be hell.

Heroin withdrawals will not kill a person but trying to medicate yourself with pharmaceuticals could end fatally so it would be much advised to wait for the Ambulance because they are trained specifically in what to do in those circumtances.... Oh and if your a daily user, (which easily happens because you can use it and function completely normally in day to day activities as long as it's not a whopper dose), and you've been using for years the withdrawals are going to be one of the worst things you ever experience and can be very painful at times...

Luckily I hardly ever use heroin and have never had to go through this but my older brother use to use A LOT back in the day and a few of his friends are still going on a fair few yearly habit and when they can't get they're hit it looks like the one of the worst things ever and they swore it hurts mentally and physically until they get their next shot.......

 

[static_mind]

Don't forget when the AFP burned all that Sassafras oil in Cambodia people said that it wouldn't dint the MDMA market either.

Not saying it did but a nice coincidence if it was unrelated.

 

[djep]

What a pity dealers and importers can't get a couple of hundred kgs of MDMA into the country. I'll keep dreamin!

 

[drug_mentor]

^ I am positive they could if they really wanted to but when most uneducated pill poppers will continue to gobble any shite on offer they are never going to bother.

 

[smiggle]

Rant rant rant - please keep this truth lol

Don't forget when the AFP burned all that Sassafras oil in Cambodia people said that it wouldn't dint the MDMA market either.

Not saying it did but a nice coincidence if it was unrelated.

Ahh yes in this circumstance I think they succeeded for once, there wasn't a massive criminal group/syndicate in Cambodia though is the only difference. They simply just got permission from the Government or paid them off or something along those lines and burnt down 95% of the Saffron Trees... Silly silly Aus Government because now the consumer is turning to a lot harder/damaging/worse drugs where as MDMA was relatively OK compared with Meth, Heroin and Cocaine which are extremely damaging in comparison of course.

Methylamphetamine they'll never eradicate because its base is made from a pharmaceutical product that is needed in the treatment of colds and flus and anybody with a quarter of a brain can cook up a batch if they really wanted whether it be just for themselves or to start a illicit business..

Heroin they'll never eradicate because good luck to them going over to the middle east and taking on the Terrorist groups and asking them to stop making one of their main sources of revenue to fund 80% of there group. Then some Cartel groups in South America also make Heroin and they have more money and fire power then some countries and think of life as disposable so they don't care what happens, they'll just keep sending in the troops and fire power until they've either blown themselves up or the opposition. OK so that's two places in the world but Heroin is also manufactured in SE Asia in the Golden Triangle deep in the remote jungles and some of them are in a similar position as the South American Cartels with heaps of fire power and pretty sure life is disposable to them as well... So if we do decide to eradicate one manufacturer we are going to struggle to succeed and we'll make a lose from deaths on our side anyways, which really isn't worth it and the other two or possibly more manufacturers will just pick up the slack which means we lost misserably.......!

OK so now Cocaine . We all know that all cocaine comes from South America and I'm pretty sue we are all aware of how fucked up it is over their and the way the country is run and if you don't know, read some of the News headlines on the front page for a little wake up call! So basically it goes; Cartel has lots and lots of money actually unbelievable amount of money, once again more then some countries. They also kill anybody that stands in their way whether it be families; kids, police or the president and they practically own the Army... Oh hell they practically own the country where the base for they're products are grown and they are that damn powerful they don't want anybody messing with they're products, unless of course you want all your family and friends killed and then you finally get tortured and murdered!

Sorry a little off topic but I'm trying to show that their is endless amounts of drugs that will constantly flow because we will always have a demand for them in our countries and the people who manufacture/run the industry are all ruthless, powerful, crazy, rich organisations that are tight nitt and want to become more and more powerful and don't care who stands in their way whether it be a whole country or even two because they have the resources to be able to battle them on an even playing field and the only way we can make our society feel our tax dollars is going to good use is by over exaggerating certain busts by how many dollars of drugs they're keeping off the streets and how much of a dint it would make on the market which we all know that no bust has ever made a change to the availability of it.

So the only time they could almost wipe out a "hard love" drug is in Cambodia because there was no criminal network operating out of their and the Government was still in control of this 3rd World Country (lucky much??).... Even though they wiped out the Saffron Trees though, somehow, people are still managing to find the base for MDMA to be able to manufacture it which again comes back down to a huge demand and somebody will find a way...

 

[phase_dancer]

thestudent, I trust your questions have been answered. Thread closed.