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Stop bashing cops

TrippedOutKid said:
Prison is not nice nor well kept or enforced internally for defending you. It's gangs and rape and deals and payoffs in there too. We definitely have too many people in there that shouldn't be in there and it costs money. Then we have too many to support the money is spread so thin that each new jailed person makes the quality that much less living conditions.

The way we evolved instead of revolve or devolve is to ask questions. Question everything. I do this all the time and when you understand almost anything in the world correctly, even if you have to research it, it looks so much different and you live better. The cops don't bother learning why like you said and it's not just the cops. Education is in a shambles and it's learning facts, not comprehending WHY. If you try to ask why, which I wouldn't recommend, the cops don't know and beat you arround or act like you're sassing them and always think they 'know' even if it means harrassing you or slapping a false charge on you to get you for something else. They are too selective in their enforcement.
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i'm a "why" kinda guy, always have been. school was a waste, it tought me a bunch of facts and information, but nothing about being a responsible human being (in the real sense, not in what the governemtn wants you to be sense) or anything that is really helpful for me to lead a life. i don't remember any of the shit I learned, any of the correct grammar/english shit. i was in AP classes for so many years, learned how to write a certain way and all this, and realize now it's all fucking stupid.

teaching you to care about how a person sounds, how it's phrased etc, instead of listening to the reasoning and ideas behind it. i'd rather listen to the most ignorant sounding motherfucker that actually had intelligence and reasoning and ideas instead of a high fallutin style dude who just regurgitated bullshit rhetoric.
 
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Yeah for real I think some people are going to be pushed on all the wrong buttons and too far then they are going to react, violently. Knowing me I'll keep out of the way, heal and speak my mind, sit back and watch, study, and psychoanalyse what is going on.

That's exactly Why my computer teacher at college is making us answer not only the right questions on our final in Operatin Systems, but why that answer is right. It's comprehensive so you can study all the old tests for an answer, but still it's not that simple even so. Cool! :)
 
Wow, those emotive pictures and 3rd-rate, misspelled, misinterpreted, and badly restated Marxist slogans really convinced me how well-thought out your opinions are. I'm embarassed that I have to share a viewpoint with you, because you discredit that viewpoint with your stupid rhetoric. I've met more eloquent foetuses. Fuck, I've met more eloquent abortions.

The point you are trying to make is that police are the instruments of a system that holds social order more important than individual rights and welfare. The point you should be trying to make is TrippedOutKids point, which is that "they" (the population at large) want it like this. If the population at large wants to be protected from their idea of drug users, someone is always going to step in and fill that void. Yes, it attracts a certain type of person. Yes, for that reason, the cops I have met havent been as reasonable or as well-educated as I might like. But thats not their fault. As has been remarked, they are more to be pitied than scolded. The system works because people support it. Until you take away that support, you dont take away the system. And until people stop spouting emotive imaginary and imaginary slogans, I can't have a reasonable debate, because I get lumped in with people like you. So shut up, and let people who might actually achieve something argue on your behalf.
 
Yeah like I said I don't blame and it's not personal to cops, they are victims of it as well, and they don't even know it or see it. Thanks for crediting me :).
 
Fuck you. "I've met more eloquent foetuses". Cops suck and if anything we need to bash on them MORE to change the social climate you are describing. We need to not only bash them on internet boards, but everywhere. We need to torture those pig fuckers until they scream for mercy. As ICE CUBE so eloquently put it. "FUCK THE POLICE!"
 
Yeah we need to make them see what they are doing and don't let them throw up defenses. What they are doing is still wrong. It's up to us to keep them in check much like the branches should keep each other in check. As many of us have seen examples they are very abusive of the power given to them. We give them support as Fallen1 says and we must take it away or threaten them or take away power. We all know it corrupts what more proof do you need?

A very good way is to cut the funding and the flow of money. Watch them like hawks with drugs is another good way. A civilian witness to drug bust reports and quantities to make sure they don't steal it. The one cop not long ago busted my friend with a little pot and the bowl to smoke it, a Xanax, and his girlfriend with a Percocet(?) which he stole and didn't write anything down about. The mother fucker took it!

What happened to make you so mad psychetool? You are sinking to a bad level not making things better with talk like that. Awareness is not a bad idea however as you put forth.
 
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So, psychetool, your brilliant idea is to bash the police. Let me break it down for you, slower this time.

1. The police are the instrument of the system
2. The system is an instrument of a hypothetical "they", the ones responsible for the current drug laws, ie, upstanding members of society.
3. Therefore, if you bash the police, you are saying that you are an enemy of the majority of society. Thats fine, you keep feeling rebellious, and scream all you want about how they are wrong. Personally, I dont see that changing anything. That will most likely lead to ....
4. The mythical "they", society at large, see people like you saying how we need to beat cops so they dont have the power any more. You are actively telling a large segment of the population you are a threat to them. If you think that will make them more inclined to listen to your point of view, and less inclined to throw you in jail, you are more of an idiot than even I give you credit for.
5. The only way to stop them throwing people like us in jail is to make them believe we arent actually a threat to their social order. This may or may not be true, but if you continuously promote yourself, and by extension drug users, as a threat, THEY WILL TAKE STEPS TO SUBJUGATE THAT THREAT. Thats why I take issue with this "fuck the police attitude". I am anti-police as a result of my experiences with them, but being anti-police isnt going to change shit. We have to be seen as productive members of society who happen to use, not a rabid bunch of ideologues who are trying to take their power base. So, in conclusion, shut the fuck up and let more intelligent people do the work on your behalf.
 
^ No. Just because you have chosen to sit back and take it up the ass doesn't mean I have to also. Sure, give up your idealogues and submit to the man if it suits you. I will forever crusade for the underdog. People will understand eventually, and if not ? At least I didn't sacrifice what I beleive in for a more comfortable situation.

I am a productive memeber of society, and you seem to think that by taking the 'fuck the police' stance that I am somehow less productive or intelligent then you ? Just because they have the power doesn't mean they can qualm my anger about unjust police and tactics. You think shit gets done by going through the *system* which has been proven numerous times to be corrupt ? Fuck that. We need to make our voices heard, talk to the public, expose the injustices, and seek retrobution!
 
So, telling the public "We need to torture those pig fuckers until they scream for mercy" will turn them to our side rather than the police? Yeah, that makes us look like productive members of society rather than violent criminals. Good idea. I'm glad you aren't sacrificing your principles to achieve that.

Explain to me how you think shit will get done outside the system? Do you honestly believe that by talking about torturing police officers you will inspire the masses to revolt against a system they put in place, when Law and Order campaigns win elections and Governments compete to show that they are in control of the "drug menace"?

So yes, I think that talking about attacking a body which has the support of most of the public is less productive than attempting to portray them as a violent, overreactive force. I am arguing that we need to make our voices heard in a coherent manner, talk to the public in a way which humanises us, not posits us as people willing to torture those who many believe keep them safe in their beds at night. Safe from people like you and me. I am describing the method where we expose the injustices, and do it in a manner which people will listen to. Do you expect wider society to listen to your gems of wisdom about bashing police? Do you expect them to then believe you when you talk about how oppressed you are?

But, I look forward to seeing a crowd march under your banner, when you convince the world with your elegant rhetoric and persuasive words. You might want to try and stick to the under 16s, I think thats about the level you are pitching at.
 
Boy oh boy
Its back to the "I talk better than you" shit

*shakin my head*

FUCK HOW YOU SAY IT
ITS WHAT YOURE SAYING

GOD
DAMMNIT
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I do wish ppl would stop w/the fuckin "the system and the proletariets" and fuckin stupid political proffesor jargon bullshit though

all it is, is sayin a mad simple point with more words and importance than u need to get your message across

just my 2 tho =P
 
lacey k said:

I do wish ppl would stop w/the fuckin "the system and the proletariets" and fuckin stupid political proffesor jargon bullshit though

all it is, is sayin a mad simple point with more words and importance than u need to get your message across
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Uhhh yeah...

Any high school student that's had basic economics, politics, or sociology would understand that. Marxist conflict theory is not that complex at all really. "The Communist Manifesto" is seriously like 3 pages worth of reading and is the foundation for a lot of thought. Is learning something new gonna kill ya?
 
ay youre the one who fucks tinkerbell

really doe ;)
just playin

Dawg you missed my point completely
I didnt say understanding it is a problem, i hear em loud and clear
dont be bringin shit like ''would learning something new kill ya'' into it, got nuttin to do with this and how would you know what i know
Anyways

im sayin why the fuck you wanna use a fine crystal dish when a paper plate would work just fine u get what im sayin

the best way is the most direct clear and simple way and the point here is fuck da police, nuff said
you dont need a sociology book to help ya say that

you dont see no signs like *puts on chappelle white man voice* ''utliZing the receptacle will enable the debris and cast off matter to prevent the defacing of the terrain" when it could just say "throw your shit in the trash, dont litter"

LOL man

dont underestimate me
 
lacey k said:
ay youre the one who fucks tinkerbell
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She kept sayin "no", but I could tell she wanted it... ;)

Sorry if it sounded like I was trying to belittle you. I don't think you're stupid.

Still I disagree with the "fuck the po, nuff said" attitude. That's the posistion, but offers no justifacation. I try not to use academic terms to simply sway people and validate my posistion, but sometimes problems and points of view can't be addressed/expressed with one word answers.

As far as basic function paper plates would always work, but you use the fine china to get some attention.
 
As I said before they are victims of the system too without even being aware of it. Sure it sucks ass and it doesn't make them very pleasant to deal with but if anything is to change the system must be removed/destroyed not attacking one of the legs. You have to go for the head. You know how easy it is for them to replace a cop or regrow a limb? Attacking the police brings them together and focused and makes them stronger. As it was also pointed out it does exactly make the rest of society want to fall to your side either.
 
Don't feel too bad for them.... we're ALL victims of the system. It's not until you live in another country for a few years, separate yourself from home, that you see just how fucking corrupt this country is, just how self-serving and war-mongering we are as a culture. We are addicted to war and violence. I wouldn't give-up this country for anything, but we have some serious changes to make. Otherwise, it will stay the way it is: Owned and Manipulated by big business... Haliburton, The Carlyle Group, Microsoft.... these entities are the ones pulling the strings of the politicians (those who make and pass these laws). Who do you think gives them the money to get elected in the first place? No politician of any national prominence is unfettered from "sponsors." Sad, but there is hope. I'm talking about an intellectual revolution: education, sound thinking, reason, and a will to change what is corrupt. You're not going to beat the federal government in a gun fight. So, put them away and fill your arsenol with knowledge. Beat them on a level where you have a fighting chance. Call them on their bullshit... think Noem Chompsky... now, there is a true revolutionary. If you haven't, read "Manufacturing Consent." It will change the way you percieve the system. It will give you insight on how to deconstruct rhetoric, whether it be news, anti-drug propoganda, etc. etc. It's a key, a tool, to help you penetrate the illusion that we've all bought into on some level. Just my opinion.
 
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