stoned all the time

Dude if your depressed please don't try and turn to opiates. Leave that pandora box closed. Imagine how you are now, exept you will be even more broke, have a physical addition, and further descend into pain and depression. I know where you are 100%. I spent my teen years high and im finally learning how to live life again and it a fucking LIBERATING feeling. Once you have enjoyable things in your life weed will just be a passing thought and not an obsession. Once you will quit you will look back and WISH you quit sooner.
 
It is possible to quit- Discover the REAL you

There has been some great advice here, especially from radric and jsnake... I'd just like to chime in with my experience, in the hopes it can encourage Jungo

MJ had been my constant companion for decades, and the very thought of being without made me anxious. I simply KNEW that without the MJ I would be anxious, less fun in social situations, less creative and unable to enjoy simple everyday life.

I was wrong.

After literally more than 25 years of every day usage, I had to switch to JWH because of a move to a non-medical state. The JWH use spiralled upwards until I was always in a state of either totally baked or feeling physical and mental withdrawal.

For my case, and I think my advice to the OP would be the same, I had to stop all cannabinoids in order to discover my real worth.

It wasn't easy, cannabinoid withdrawal was not pleasant and I had many sleepless nights, but I kept doing the practices that radric davis proposed:

I picked up AstroJax and orbital light show hobbies, I re-initiated old family contacts that I had let falter, I started working out so that I could somehow disperse the intense energy and frustration at my perceived enslavement to cannabinoids.

These actions weren't like happy happy joy joy substitutions for cannabis. They were determined, methodical often tedious routines that I was able to use to slowly let other parts of my life reappear.

Since using the tools that radric described, I have "graduated" from them and have discovered that I am every bit as creative sober as I am baked on cannabinoids, that I am more fun and less anxious in social situations, that I can bridge broken relationships with family members that I thought were permanent.

I am trying to slowly write out some short stories, start a basic online business (in addition to my day job), and have decided to start working towards turning my daily work towards social causes.

Now, I am not a motivated guy per se but I found that the MASSIVE RUSH of uncontrollable energy and the physical/mental withdrawal from cannabinoids was only able to be dealt with when I first used the Hobby/Exercise technique, and then further went on to pick up long-term energy-consuming activities like writing, business planning, and working out.

So, having been off cannabinoids for some weeks now I firmly believe that I am manic depressive, and have been since youth. Of course I am not a doctor, but I do know my body, and realize now that I had been using cannabinoids to "even out" the highs and lows in my mental equilibrium. When manic, the MJ would calm me down to a nice place, and when depressed, the MJ would lift me to a nice place as well.

I depended on MJ to put me in a predictable emotional place. I knew I wouldn't have to deal with insane, manic thoughts or the oppressive knowledge that all life is simply winding it's way toward inevitable death.

Having now been able to recognize within myself the real reason I used MJ, I can seek other ways to tap and channel these emotions and energies. But, I never would have recognize this if I hadn't stepped outside my MJ-tinted world view and quit the cannabinoids.

Back to the OP's topic... I really suggest that you give yourself a chance to be the beautiful creature you are inside, by quitting cannabinoids completely now. Then follow radric's adivce and get some cool things to do and stick with them even if they don't seem fun without MJ at first. Work out.

Call family: You may think that they reject you, and they might for now. But in almost ALL cases, family can work its way back together IF sobriety is present. Drugs simply fuck up family relationships in many, many cases, you need to try to rebuild your family life without them before you write off those important relationships.

If you can't all close family, cal distant relatives and just talk to them. The word of your good progress will work it's way back to your immediate family.

Realize that your life will be completely different with no MJ: You will have tons of time on your hands, tons of energy (not all of it good), some restlessness and lack of focus. Use this to your advantage and CREATE something from within yourself, be it art, business or even volunteering at a local shelter.


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I'm sitting here now reading my description, and I am amazed. I really hope it doesn't come across as preachy or demanding: I mostly wanted to share my experience that I thought would never be possible and encourage the OP to try try try!

A few months ago, if I had read this post written by someone else, I would have laughed out loud at how that method might work for others, but would never work for a "Lifer" such as myself, whose whole existence was defined by the perceived benefits of MJ.

Everyday I wake up amazed that I didn't get baked the previous day, and even further amazed that I am totally FINE with that. I didn't think it was possible. But hell, I really beleiev that if I could do it, almost anyone could.

I had already accepted my sad destiny as a MJ lifer, and even accepted the many lost opportunities that I knew would come with that life. I escaped that doom brother... And I firmly believe you can too.
 
Mate. I don't usually post because I generally don't think my opinion will help but in this case I actually think it does. In the end, you could post on a million different forums, vent to a million different people, have a million people post sympathies and suggestions, but in the end, does it really change you unless you're willing to embrace that change? I hate my body as well, I'm 55 kilos at 20 year old and I got all kinds of shit wrong with my skin, including a lot of personal bullshit. I don't think I'm incredibly smart, I think I'm socially challenged to be honest. I've been ripped off in the land of scoring before, albeit for less than that. It's a cold game. I hit my lowest point when I spat in my own mother's face when I was going ape shit while I was drunk as fuck. I still look back on that and think things like 'Holy shit, you're a piece of absolute shit, you should go neck yourself right now'. I couldn't put down the billy for shit before that night. Was smoking every day before that. I stopped for 4 or 5 months afterwards before I had the nuts to rip a bong again. I'm doing a Cert III in Warehousing now and it's not always easy to stay motivated and on track, but I want to turn my life around before the pit I've dug myself is too irreversible, so I get the fuck up and do it.
No matter how hooked you say you are, no matter how much your brain routes your actions to revolve around getting that fucking bong hit, there are people out there with way worse addictions than a damn (edit: water) pipe that have gotten over it and moved on to turn their lives around. I don't know your personal circumstances so it may be inappropriate to judge but I have seen way worse situations on the Dark Side than what you've described so far. And the funny thing is, most of them are just venting and looking for second opinions, not someone to come change their life for them. Everyone has their own problems and personal circumstances. I sure as fuck ain't one to judge, I consider myself extremely lucky up to this point. It's up to you to drop the whole pessimistic attitude, no matter how bad things are down your alley, move on and recoup your losses before you sink deeper into depression and demotivation, and no matter how you look at it, it starts with stopping the fucking cones, because they are in a lot of ways a massive drain on motivation. If your family and friends have a problem with you being high all the time, prove to them you can change and follow through with it. If there are other reasons, well sorry in advance if I crossed the line, but in the end sitting at home and blowing cloud after cloud isn't going to change your life, and if you aren't happy with sitting around at home doing nothing, and trust me I know what it feels like, then find a career, be a bit more optimistic about yourself and find some lasting satisfaction in life. That's the best advice I can offer you. Make plans, find things you enjoy and can stick to, and for fuck sake, ENJOY YOURSELF! You weren't put here to fill your lungs with toxic fumes, surely drugs aren't the only fucking thing in life you ever found enjoyable??????
I just read all that there and your spot on i was to fucked last night to read peoples comments last night. I've been used and abusd since i was a school and its still happing now, i can't approach people because i'm so self consuse of how people see me.I try to avoid people, yet i crave friends and a r/ship so much but i don't see any light at the end of tunnel. I hate my body, i hate the things i'v done and the druggie waster who no-one would remeber if i died today.
 
I'm 40 this year, from the age of 20 to 35 I smoked 2 oz's of green a month, every month.

Without boring the pants off you, if I could turn back the clock and have never started smoking it - I would.

I made a series of terrible decisions that have seriously set me back in life.
 
I recently have been cutting back on my marijuana use but like u I used to smoke as soon as I woke up till I feel asleep for about 3 years. The reason I've been cutting back is I recently developed a panic disorder that I blame on my history of chronic smoking. I recently moved to Cali where I have yet to make any friends and all I would do is smoke all day alone, and I feel like it really started messing with my head.. I became a hermit, never leaving my house, dropping out of high school, I really wished I'd of waited till I was a little older to dive into pot like I did.

Like I used to have a love affair with cannabis; never thought I would give up pot but now I realize it might of fucked my head. But I'm all for moderation
 
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Like I used to have a love affair with cannabis; never thought I would give up pot but now I realize it might of fucked my head. But I'm all for moderation

I felt like that, never thought I'd fall out of love with it. After a 4.5 year break, I got an oz of hash - I ended up straight back into old habits - wake n bake etc, couldnt wait for it to be used up (still couldnt just chuck it in the bin tho!)
 

Cannabis is not toxic and has many health benefits. I enjoyed reading your post and I think you made a lot of great points, but I just wanted to point that out.

I know it's not carcinogenic and I know it's used therapeutically to treat certain conditions such as asthma and MS, but I doubt it's doing OP's lungs a favour if he's waking up to a spliff every day, especially if he mixes it with ciggys like I used to. Thanks for the comment too :)

I just read all that there and your spot on i was to fucked last night to read peoples comments last night. I've been used and abusd since i was a school and its still happing now, i can't approach people because i'm so self consuse of how people see me.I try to avoid people, yet i crave friends and a r/ship so much but i don't see any light at the end of tunnel. I hate my body, i hate the things iv done and the druggie waster who no-one would remeber if i died today.

It's kinda fucked up, those are the sort of things that run through my head a lot. I'm an introverted sort of person and I often have trouble expressing myself. I don't have a lot of close friends anymore, as I've noticed I tend to clamp up in group situations. Feels like I'm 10 seconds behind, I'll think of something to say but the subjects already changed and I'm like fuck it, don't wanna sound like a snail. Sometimes I wonder, if I got so depressed about my state of mind at the moment that I went and deliberately ODed, how many people would come to my funeral? Would many people even bother to write RIP on my Facebook?
I get over those moods. I used to get really blue about being that kind of person. Looking back, I think a lot of it stemmed from video games. I don't know if many people know about it, but apparently certain people can get hooked on playing video games. I think about it sometimes, like imagine if I ended up in rehab for it. Some guy stands up, is like "Hi, my name is Joseph, and I've been addicted to heroin for the last 5 years." I stand up, "Name's Jayden, I've been a game addict as long as I can remember." Blank stares all around. As a young bloke, when I went to other people's houses, I'd always put playing game consoles above socializing and speaking to others. I always preferred to play someone in Halo rather than kick a football or play sport with them. Looking back on it, I can kind of tell that my social skills haven't really developed as a result. I mean, I can talk to anyone over MSN or Facebook, but that's only because of multiplayer games where you type to communicate.
Well I'm rambling a bit now. Point is, you can't just hate yourself for being you. I regret a lot of the time I've wasted staring at a screen, but I'm trying to change it now. I work out a bit more now. It hasn't had much effect yet, but I'm tired of being me. Another massive problem I had was quitting things because they didn't work out well or were too hard at the start, or starting them up or quitting for the wrong reason, like if all my friends from school left. I'd rather be physically active now, like running a few laps of the school oval till my fucking legs hurt too much to run anymore. I did that last night because no-one called me and I didn't have any credit to call people up, and I needa make $100 bucks last at least 3 more weeks anyway. Oh god...
Piece of shit computer froze at this point, lucky I was on the ball and saved up to here :D Anyways, I honestly believe that if I can turn my life around, then you can. There's all the support and company you need on this forum, and there's been a lot of good suggestions here. In particular reformer's post about repairing severed ties with your family and friends. You might have reservations about posting your personal circumstances, I don't know, you haven't mentioned them yet. But I think that if they see you trying your best to turn your life around, and they're truly good people, then there's no reason they wouldn't be willing to speak to you again. If alcohol is a problem for you, and god knows it is for me (don't drink and Facebook, people), Allen Carr's Easy Way to Control Alcohol might be a bit of help. I heard a lot of positive feedback about it on the net, and since his Easy Way to Quit Smoking completely changed my outlook on cigarettes, I'm led to believe it helps a lot. Self help books are a life changer if you take on board what they say. But only IF you do. It's human nature to learn from your mistakes, but intelligence is learning from other people's mistakes. I hope this helped a bit and sounded a bit warmer than what I thought the last post sounded like, and I really wish you the best in fixing things up for yourself :)

PS: About the heroin... Stay away. Full stop. You don't need more problems piled on. Your economic situation will be in complete shambles if you tread down that track, not to mention most of your time and state of mind put towards using. I've thought about it as well, if only for a second. Drugs are the easy way out of a bad situation. A lot of them are not incredibly detrimental to your health or well-being if used in moderation but from what I've read on the subject heroin is not an easy thing to use in moderation. If you even consider buying some if you do end up finding a contact, look up stories of addiction, check some TDS threads on here and truly THINK about it, because trying heroin for the first time is the first step towards completely ruining your life if you have a problem with weed. Just thought I'd point that out.
 
I felt like that, never thought I'd fall out of love with it. After a 4.5 year break, I got an oz of hash - I ended up straight back into old habits - wake n bake etc, couldnt wait for it to be used up (still couldnt just chuck it in the bin tho!)

bahaha, what is it with the whole stoner attitude of leave no mix unsmoked?? Everyone I know thinks like that :D
 
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