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Stimulants of the Future

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Safe Ligand at C17H21NO4 sites!

haribo1 said:
You mean this?

Beta-CPT.png
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YES!

RAVE reviews!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%28-%29-2β-Carbomethoxy-3β-phenyltropane

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%28-%29-2β-Carbomethoxy-3β-phenyltropane

Just like C17H21NO4 - but much longer lasting and stronger!

How do you get this stuff?


The first hand reports I have of found for 'WIN 35065-2' seem unrivaled!


Chemical Formula: C16H21NO2

Synonyms:
2-beta-carbomethoxy-3-beta-phenyltropane,
(-)-2β-Carbomethoxy-3β-phenyltropane,
(beta-CPT)

CAS: # 74163-84-1

Thanks in in advance!

- Zevon
 
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Mesocarb (and sydnophen) look like interesting compounds, at least interesting enough to appear in the MoDA & DEA scheduling.

Looks interesting, but how to form a mesoionic sydnone imine? I've never come across them before now. Interesting...
 
WarrenZevon: If you have user reports of CPT, please link them.
I'm interested.
 
out of interest do you think 2β-Carbomethoxy-3β-phenyltropane would form the same equivalent analogue of cocaethylene when mixed with alcohol?
 
Try:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....d54eaf6e?lnk=st&q=WIN+36,065#222a7804d54eaf6e

http://groups.google.com/groups/sea...AAkeBMm6r5vxwuPAe_D6fX8OPANdqfI6prRsqjc7uCt1A


On Apr 15 2005, 2:58 pm, "MobiusDick" <[email protected]> wrote:
> LOL
>
> Sounds Cool to me.  A lot of the drugs I work with have only numbers
> associated with them. For example (and I have not worked on this for
> years) WIN 36,065; SKF 28,175; SK882; or MK-801.  WIN 36,065 is the
> best cocaine analogue you will ever do (IMHO) It is an amazing drug.
> But I do not work as much with DA reuptake inhibitors these days.
>
> I would like to be able to name a drug, like the guys who named the
> endogenous marijuanna receptor (CB-1)  ligand anandamide after the
> Sanskrit word for bliss Ananda.
>
> Mobi
 
Dimethocaine? HOW ELSE CAN I SPIKE / IMPROVE MY Street C17H21NO4?

Legal and supposed to work "like cocaine"; Dimethocaine.

Dimethocaine
C16H26N2O2
(CAS) 94-15-5

(3-diethylamino-2,2-dimethylpropyl) 4-aminobenzoate
OR
1-Propanol, 3-(diethylamino)-2,2-dimethyl-, paminobenzoate (ester)

Is 'supposed' to work like cocaine.
But no human reports and
WE DO NOT DISCUSS VENDOR TYPE THINGS AT ALL, OK?
 
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Yes the methocaine is an anesthetic in line with other 'caines, so in that regard it is not optimal
however, IMO as to US law at least if we are to look at that aspect the tropanes largely can be considered analogues whereas methocaine as i can see is really not substantially similar to any Sched I or II compounds, namely of course cocaine

?????

for you in Britain i guess you can have your tropane analogues, lucky blokes :(
 
Without going into the synthesis, how difficult would something like this be to make?
 
At issue may be what is the potency of dimethocaine (DMC) as an anesthetic in relation to cocaine (C) and in relation to its potency at DAT et al

as i would estimate DMC likely requires a dosing of ~5x C, so if it is equal in its anesthetic potency than cardiotoxicity is heightened 5x as well due to requisitie dosing

if so not good is suspect....

anyway anyone also care to speculate of the SAR of cocaine and other tropnae DAT analogues and how that all matches up with the effect DMC (an other anesthetic 'caines) have at DAT....?

obviously DMC was not designed to be a DAT inhibitor so other like structures may be preferential for DAT and less so for anesthetic potency
 
After trying pseudotropyl 4-fluorobenzoate, I'd say that it's a much better bet as long as you don't live somewhere with those draconian analog act pieces of legislation. Almost no local anaesthetic activity and around a third the potency of cocaine. Add that to it's much, much easier synthesis and voila, a winner.

It's a shame really that cocaine (and the above mentioned fluorotropacocaine) turn me into an egotistical wanker arsehole of the first order...
 
unfortunately most of us live under draconian analogue acts (okay, maybe not draconian, just poorly written).

In one study, I found that tetracaine (amethocaine) substituted for cocaine just below dimethocaine (has a monomethocaine been tested?) and above lidocaine and another *caine derivative.

Since amethocaine is a commercialized product, it'd be easier for 99% of the world to come by. Aside from it's anaesthesia, how likely is this to be significantly recreational?
 
i have seen that as well but did not see the relative potency ratio and since DMC may be as low as 1/10 of C this may be an order of magnitude lower than that even for argument sake and that would be quite low and require huge doses to get anywhere and likely again as stated you may have high cardiotoxicity at those levels which is not a pretty thing

probably looking at minimally 500mg and that is at best if at all

even Procaine was shown to be strong at DAT but had no abiltiy to sub for C at any rationale dose
 
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