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Stimulants Stimulants and fainting?

Pagey

Pagey

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First off, I'd like to start by saying that I realise I must have gone way overboard with these drugs, that I will not be mixing them like that any time soon and that I will be more careful with the amounts. I'm also going to take a long break from stimulants in general. Please don't tell me what I did was stupid because I already know :)

So a few nights ago I spent the night on AL-LAD, 4-aco-DMT and 4-FA. I realise those first two don't really belong in this forum but I don't think they were the problem. I was taking more 4-FA regularly throughout the night and shortly after my last big dose, got up to go to the bathroom and fainted. Obviously I stopped taking anything more after that, felt fine when I stayed lying down in bed but would faint whenever I got up - this happened a number of times over the course of a few hours (by fainting I mean blacking out and finding myself on the floor). I eventually fainted for the 6th or 7th time and must have landed on my face because I came to with my nose bleeding and obviously broken.

Anyway, after this I went to the hospital for my nose and was admitted with severe hypotension, a broken nose and a concussion. I was kept and monitored overnight and they did heart/brain/blood tests etc. but didn't find any proper cause for the hypotension - all anyone would tell me was 'it's the drugs', but I'm honestly not sure what to believe because they treated me like shit as soon as I admitted I'd been on drugs and I don't see how the ones I took could cause hypotension. I'm just curious if this has happened to anyone before - I've been thinking maybe the hypotension could be a result of dehydration rather than the drugs themselves?
Since everyone at the hospital refused to tell me anything I figured this would be the next best place to ask, as 'it's the drugs' isn't a very satisfactory answer...I know all anyone can do is speculate so I hope this doesn't violate any rules, but seeing as I don't plan on quitting stims forever any similar stories or pertinent knowledge would be helpful.

Thanks :)
 
Hm, that's quite odd - hypotension is paradoxical to vasoconstriction. It is well known that syncope (fainting) is an effect of low blood pressure but the connection between the drugs and this is unclear. You were on some potent vasoconstrictors known to cause hypertension, not hypotension. Were you on anything else?
 
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Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I took xanax just before the last time I fainted which I imagine might have contributed, but for the other few times no, I didn't have anything else in my system.
 
How much 4FA did you take, and how much Xanax did you take? How did you administer the 4-FA?

How high was your blood pressure exactly in the hospital?

Did the fainting resemble a 'panic attack' or was it different from a 'regular panic attack'? You mentioned that all your muscles were locked when it happened and you couldn't hear/see.. what did they say about that in the hospital?
 
Pagey said:
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I took xanax just before the last time I fainted which I imagine might have contributed, but for the other few times no, I didn't have anything else in my system.
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Perhaps you are not eating properly which results in a hypoglycemic crash - any known blood sugar issues?
 
If you suddenly feel you are about to faint from hypotension when you stand up, quickly bend over and let your forehead touch the ground for a second or two. This will stop you from fainting and save you a broken nose or other complications from falling.
 
were you by yourself each time you fainted?
I ask because when someone faints, the longer they are "out," the more likely it is to experience a seizure, which I am hoping/thinking didn't happen, but just wanted to ask.

Fainting is quite common. Most of the time, it doesn't indicate an underlying issue.
Simply what happens when one faints, is because a drop in blood pressure occurs for some reason and blood circulation to the brain is reduced, causing a loss of consciousness.

The combination of the drugs could have possibly caused an acute (temporary) heart arrythmia (sp), in combination with the likelihood you were dehydrated and perhaps hadn't had much to eat.

If nothing like this has ever happened to you before and you don't have any other health issues that you're aware of, I'd bet that you'll be just fine and this was an unfortunate, one-time thing.

Even though the medical professionals were assholes, technically, they were probably correct in saying "it's the drugs." Had you not taken the drugs, do you think this still would have happened? Probably not. And no, I am not justifying their shitty attitude. Nobody should be treated like that.

I doubt you'll ever know the EXACT cause as to why you fainted, but as you said, I would certainly refrain from ever using that combination of drugs again.

feel better & good luck!
 
Pagey said:
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I took xanax just before the last time I fainted which I imagine might have contributed, but for the other few times no, I didn't have anything else in my system.
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I doubt this, if anything the Xanax would have helped with the vasoconstriction. Benzos are basically the cure for all amphetamine related issues.
 
lurching said:
How much 4FA did you take, and how much Xanax did you take? How did you administer the 4-FA?

How high was your blood pressure exactly in the hospital?

Did the fainting resemble a 'panic attack' or was it different from a 'regular panic attack'? You mentioned that all your muscles were locked when it happened and you couldn't hear/see.. what did they say about that in the hospital?
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Over the course of the night I must have had about 800mg of 4-FA, mostly oral and some snorted. I started fainting about the time my last big oral dose became active. I took 8mg xanax which is a normal dose for me (high tolerance).

My blood pressure was 60/40 when I got to the hospital, and it definitely wasn't anything like a panic attack. I described it to them at the hospital and they confirmed it as fainting, although they didn't tell me anything more.

pinpoint said:
Perhaps you are not eating properly which results in a hypoglycemic crash - any known blood sugar issues?
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Good point actually, I haven't been eating/drinking as much as usual lately so that could be it...

Toz said:
If you suddenly feel you are about to faint from hypotension when you stand up, quickly bend over and let your forehead touch the ground for a second or two. This will stop you from fainting and save you a broken nose or other complications from falling.
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Thanks for the tip. I did manage to get on the floor twice when I felt it come on but it usually happened too quickly for me to understand anything. I'll keep that in mind if it ever happens again though :)

littlepenguin said:
were you by yourself each time you fainted?
I ask because when someone faints, the longer they are "out," the more likely it is to experience a seizure, which I am hoping/thinking didn't happen, but just wanted to ask.

Fainting is quite common. Most of the time, it doesn't indicate an underlying issue.
Simply what happens when one faints, is because a drop in blood pressure occurs for some reason and blood circulation to the brain is reduced, causing a loss of consciousness.

The combination of the drugs could have possibly caused an acute (temporary) heart arrythmia (sp), in combination with the likelihood you were dehydrated and perhaps hadn't had much to eat.

If nothing like this has ever happened to you before and you don't have any other health issues that you're aware of, I'd bet that you'll be just fine and this was an unfortunate, one-time thing.

Even though the medical professionals were assholes, technically, they were probably correct in saying "it's the drugs." Had you not taken the drugs, do you think this still would have happened? Probably not. And no, I am not justifying their shitty attitude. Nobody should be treated like that.

I doubt you'll ever know the EXACT cause as to why you fainted, but as you said, I would certainly refrain from ever using that combination of drugs again.

feel better & good luck!
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I was by myself yeah - I was speaking to a friend online though and was never gone for more than a few minutes total so I don't think I was ever out for more than maybe 30 seconds. Thanks for the info - that sounds about right. I was definitely very dehydrated during the night, just mostly surprised something that elevates heart rate could cause such hypotension. It makes more sense now though :)

Psychedelic Jay said:
Remember amphetamines can cause low blood pressure and low heart rate.

High dose of one can lead to fainting.
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Really? Didn't actually know that, amphetamines = high heart rate in my mind...thanks.

WorldWarMe said:
I doubt this, if anything the Xanax would have helped with the vasoconstriction. Benzos are basically the cure for all amphetamine related issues.
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True - was just thinking that because the fainting was getting less intense as the night went by and the 4-FA left my system (ie. rather than just losing consciousness and falling, I was present enough to be able to get myself to the ground first), and it was just once I'd taken the Xanax that I blacked out properly again and broke my nose.

Thanks for all the helpful answers :)
 
any stimulant that causes loss of consciousness I would stop taking it right away. switch to a better drug.

Same goes for downers that cause insomnia or anything else causing the opposite of the desired effect.
 
Could it be related to those odd blackouts you posted about in the 4-FA thread? Similar events but magnified because of the rather huge cumulative dose?

Pagey said:
Does anyone ever get weird memory blanks on 4-FA? I've noticed when I've been taking it for a few hours & redosing regularly, I'll start doing/saying weird stuff without having any awareness of it. What happens a lot is I'll just be talking to someone online, open my eyes and see that I've written out a completely meaningless and incomprehensible sentence without having any memory of it. Happens when I'm talking to people face to face as well ofc. Obviously this isn't really the best side effect ever so I was wondering if anyone had any similar experience/any ideas as to what that is exactly...? :\
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasovagal_response

Had a weird reaction to dexamp one time while on a studying bender, a BL mod pointed to this as the probable cause. Said it has happened to him, and a number of other people in the thread reported the same thing.

Said mod told me that lying down for 30 mins or so should alleviate it.

At the time I thought it was hypoglycemia, so I downed some OJ hoping it would cure it... it did not.

If you look halfway down the page "stimulants" are listed as a direct cause.
 
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