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Misc Stimulant least likely to give me a mental breakdown?

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Berdo tm1

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I have been stuck in a pit of intertia for so long. I feel like there has been a fog covering my mind.

Last couple of times i took stims I had mental breakdowns. The last time i ended up crying to my mother on the phone and couldnt sleep for a week just through worry and anxiety id never sleep again. I think alot of that was associated with guilt tho as id been 'clean' for long periods before that and reading the evangelical disease models of addcitions was really giving me guilt trips.

I may try a stimulating kratom again soon but I find it gives me anxiety rather than the nice clean stimulantion of a dopamine high for instance. Just the anxious antsiness of adrenaline. I might try mixing strains. Red vein borneo has been the strain ive got on best wiht so far that doesnt give me anxiety but i realised it kills my libido and i guess motivation too :P. I know its common of opiates but ive never had that before on any drug i tried including the other kratoms. Anyhow I may try a mix of some rvb to stop anxiety and some of a white strain but im not confident it will do the job. Worth a shot tho i guess.

I hate caffeine,

I was given some modafinil the other day by a buddy but got scared of the 12 hour half life so ended up sending it back to him after only having a tiny notch off one pill. Not enough to feel anything.

In one sense I would love to have just a tiny drop of 2-fa but on the other im terrified of my weak mental disposition not being able to handle it. I did find it very smooth the couple times i had it though.
 
coke is one of the most unfuncitonal stims i can think of.

i need something that will give me a social push.

Are there any downers which give you the social push that stims give? nothing that isnt addictive im sure. Phenibut i hear does this but its also wildly addicitve so not worht the risk.

I guess i wouldnt find smoother than 2-fa for a stimulant. still afraid to try it agian tho.
 
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I honestly would recommend you avoid stimulants if what you say is the case.

You may enjoy the high of say, adderall, for a couple hours... but then it's going to turn into a horrible anxiety filled comedown. A few hours of enjoyable speediness is not worth the next couple days of bad bad anxiety.

I myself have bad stimulant anxiety, though I do dabble with adderall often, but find opiates to make me much more social-able than stimulants these days (which I think comes with tolerance).

In regards to 2-FA, I found 2-FA and 2-FMA to be the cleanest stimulants I have ever tried. Literally zero anxiety or crash compared to any other I've tried and I have done a LOT of different stims. So if that doesn't cut it for you, avoid them entirely.
 
i agree the 'fas were very smooth and i dont recall any comedown from them. i am just afraid of trying stims again due to the negative asociation i had from my previous ordeals.

ye i have enjoyed my time using kratom once i sorted out the anxiety, downers seem like a much better bet for my disposiiton but unfortunately it hasnt made me any more social which is what im really after since the crux of my mental weaknesses are from social seclusion.
 
Berdo tm1 said:
i agree the 'fas were very smooth and i dont recall any comedown from them. i am just afraid of trying stims again due to the negative asociation i had from my previous ordeals.

ye i have enjoyed my time using kratom once i sorted out the anxiety, downers seem like a much better bet for my disposiiton but unfortunately it hasnt made me any more social which is what im really after since the crux of my mental weaknesses are from social seclusion.
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Though they are extremely addictive just like opiates, benzos also help me with being social a lot. This obviously comes from being completely anxiety free and more willing to deal with social situations.

Just don't make it a habit. I'm not trying to advocate regular/daily benzo use.
 
Yes IVe always avoided benzoes even on stimulant comedowns as paradoxically i get terrible anxiety worrying that every pill is one step closer to addcition and from what i read the withdrawals are as bad/worse than heroin. Even when they were active my mind would be fighting them for fear of enjoying them.

Kratom is great so far cos its strong enough to get a decent buzz but the withdrawals from what i read, while bad, are not the end of the world; altho im trying to avoid them ofc.
 
Im really belieiving now that i have a dopamine deficiency somehow, probably form being a loser at life so long and my mind just downregulated to shove me into the rank and file of a 'low social order peon'.

I took 5 grams of l tyrosine this moring and my mind cleared right up! my usual paranoia about everything and constant second guessing is gone. too bad the effect only works for a day or two then tolerance ramps to 100% redering it useless

what would the doctor say if i said i think i have a dopamine deficiency? probably just suggest a fucking ssri right? like they are the answer to everything.
 
Maybe a low dose of Phenibut would suit your needs. I find it to be quite stimulating for the first 5 hours or so, then it becomes more mellow and relaxing.
It shouldn't give you problems with anxiety or sleep, quite the opposit unless you abuse it of course.
 
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Im really belieiving now that i have a dopamine deficiency somehow, probably form being a loser at life so long and my mind just downregulated to shove me into the rank and file of a 'low social order peon'.
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It doesn't work like that.
what would the doctor say if i said i think i have a dopamine deficiency? probably just suggest a fucking ssri right? like they are the answer to everything.
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As the previous poster said doctors don't like that and yeah prob an ssri.

Now I was thinking you'd probably like welbutrin is a very mild NDRI. Light stimulant effect in the background, I couldn't see anyone get anxiety at normal doses. Taken with a cup of green and chamomile tea, it's a nice little buzz. I get it prescribed for depression and add, my doctor also hopes it will get me to stop smoking but that ain't happenin
 
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its not precribed in the uk except to quit smoking, plus i dont like drugs with a long half life. i had a self induced mild panic attack from taking less than a quarter of a modafinil tablet wracking myself with worry of what would happen if it wasnt pleasant and id be stuck in misery for the next 12 hours. right after i took it i swallowedd soem charcoal thinking it would absorb it.

i say 6 hour half lives are my limit these days. gotta love 2-fa for that too :D 2 hours of good amphetmine stimulation before a nice gradual return to normalcy.

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It doesn't work like that.

As the previous poster said doctors don't like that and yeah prob an ssri.

Now I was thinking you'd probably like welbutrin is a very mild NDRI. Light stimulant effect in the background, I couldn't see anyone get anxiety at normal doses. Taken with a cup of green and chamomile tea, it's a nice little buzz. I get it prescribed for depression and add, my doctor also hopes it will get me to stop smoking but that ain't happenin
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if you get mental breakdowns from uppers.. i will suggest u to never take mdma. when the drug dosen work any more.. u get very fucked up on a mental way in the head...
 
Do you guys experience any mid week blues from 2-fa/fma? and have you been able to keep doses low and functional?

When i took them both times i ended up on the wanking marathon, i fucking love that but i also want to avoid going all thru the night like i used to, since i want to keep it within the bounds of normalcy and not wear my body out. that was using recreational doses tho back then 50-100 mgs which i would like to avoid. my aim was recreation back then pretty much whereas nowadays i just want increased functionality and mild buzz.

Im thinking if i took it again id take only maybe 20 mgs or so and post the rest to myself so i woudlnt have any more that day. Im not a big binger on drugs by any means tho.

Also im thinking kratom could be awesome to destroy the sexual effects when i felt it was time to call it a night. the red vein borneo i got last week ive never had a drug that crushes my libido like that. i was surprised how much of a difference the different strians had, thought it was just marketing junk.
 
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